Sam Howell is our Brock Purdy, until he isn't.

[keasley45]

I like Howell, and if JS wanted him, then that makes me excited.

He also LOVED Drew Lock

 

[gmor]

Honestly Howell is closer to Baker Mayfield than anything else. Deceptively nimble on his feet and has an arm to make tough NFL sideline or down the seem throws.

Mayfield early in his career would have a hard time identifying the safety pre snap and he would force throws downfield which resulted in a lot of INTs.

Howell has a lot to improve upon to be a complete NFL QB.

This is the gamble they took with him. He came into the league when he was very young and played early. That is something to build on. I'm saying that he should be given every possible opportunity before moving on to the next guess. His footwork is a plus, which is usually the last skill to gel.

 

[toffee]

He also LOVED Drew Lock

Lock was Wilson's replacement until Smith ruined the party.

Howell was Lock's successor until Smith again ruined the party.

Schneider would have been GM/Executive of the year.

 

[Natethegreat]

Lock was Wilson's replacement until Smith ruined the party.

Howell was Lock's successor until Smith again ruined the party.

Schneider would have been GM/Executive of the year.

JS literally brought Smith in when no other GM wanted him. Then brought him back when no one else wanted him.
Then signed him to a deal no one else in the league wanted to sign him for.
Why you have this victim mentality when it comes to Geno and JS is a mystery to me. JS has been Genos greatest avenue to success and an NFL job.
Why then do you hate him so much?
Edit: also it's a GM's job to bring in competition. If Geno can't handle that too bad. Credit to Geno for winning the job but finding fault for JS bringing in other options and back ups is beyond ludicrous. It's his job to do exactly that.

 

[Natethegreat]

Also Howell was never Locks successor (as in being the starter and taking Genos job). He was brought in as a back up because Lock left JS literally said he was brought in to be back up. Your making up more fictional stories again.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

People weren't exactly lining up for gePICK and his services.

 

[toffee]

People weren't exactly lining up for gePICK and his services.

So true.

 

[Natethegreat]

Toffee, honest question. Why does it bother you so much that JS brought in Howell? Was he supposed to run with one QB all year? No back up?
Why is your hide so chapped about this?
Is Geno so fragile you can't have a back up? No competition, just ride with Geno into the sunset?
When had he proven himself before JS had signed him? Why should he have just been given the reigns to the team?

 

[toffee]

Toffee, honest question. Why does it bother you so much that JS brought in Howell? Was he supposed to run with one QB all year? No back up?
Why is your hide so chapped about this?
Is Geno so fragile you can't have a back up? No competition, just ride with Geno into the sunset?
When had he proven himself before JS had signed him? Why should he have just been given the reigns to the team?

No, not at all, When Lock left, we needed a replacement. Schneider wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't do that. I am of the opinion that Geno should be traded this off-season. If we keep him for another year, he will be a free agent, and he isn't or he shouldn't be a prime candidate to be franchise tapped.

 

[Scout]

This is the gamble they took with him. He came into the league when he was very young and played early. That is something to build on. I'm saying that he should be given every possible opportunity before moving on to the next guess. His footwork is a plus, which is usually the last skill to gel.

Howell is very tough to bring down and can make plays with his feet like Mayfield. But he is also prone to mistakes throwing the ball downfield but it is hard to gauge a QBs decision making when playing in a pass heavy offense.

Daniles as a rookie had 480 pass attempts which is a lot! But then you compared to Howell the previous season of 2023 and he had 612 pass attempts because of Bienemy play calling.

I said at the time he needed a season to sit and I think it was the right choice. He looked sluggish in limited action but I think this off season he will be able to show more in a Kubiak offense anyways which features more 12 personnel and roll outs and boot legs.

 

[toffee]

Toffee, honest question. Why does it bother you so much that JS brought in Howell? Was he supposed to run with one QB all year? No back up?
Why is your hide so chapped about this?
Is Geno so fragile you can't have a back up? No competition, just ride with Geno into the sunset?
When had he proven himself before JS had signed him? Why should he have just been given the reigns to the team?

I am also a follower of coach Bill Walsh of 49ers fame, he preached and practiced trading aging stars a year or two too early instead of a year or two too late. He after all traded Montana when Montana could still play, Lott, Rice, etc.,

With that, I advocated trading Russell Wilson in 2020, or was it 2021, long before trading Wilson was acceptable. Let's say my opinion wasn't popular. I also advocated to trade Lockett in 2023 when he still had some trade value, now he has almost none.

Going back to Geno, I advocated replacing Wilson with Geno after watching his games subbing for Wilson, which wasn't a popular opinion then. I think I am the original Geno fanboy, more so than John Schneider. However, Geno fanboy or not, I think this is the time to trade Geno when we might still get something. This time next year, we shall get nothing unless we franchise-tap him.

Trading Geno allows him to explore the market, where he just might get his wish of another long-term contract. As a Geno fanboy, I like that. Mike Macdonald has earned enough capital with the ownership after a 10-7 season and vastly improved defense, he could endure a year of sub-par young QB plays. Schneider? Who cares, not after reviewing his draft history.

 

[Natethegreat]

I am also a follower of coach Bill Walsh of 49ers fame, he preached and practiced trading aging stars a year or two too early instead of a year or two too late. He after all traded Montana when Montana could still play, Lott, Rice, etc.,

With that, I advocated trading Russell Wilson in 2020, or was it 2021, long before trading Wilson was acceptable. Let's say my opinion wasn't popular. I also advocated to trade Lockett in 2023 when he still had some trade value, now he has almost none.

Going back to Geno, I advocated replacing Wilson with Geno after watching his games subbing for Wilson, which wasn't a popular opinion then. I think I am the original Geno fanboy, more so than John Schneider. However, Geno fanboy or not, I think this is the time to trade Geno when we might still get something. This time next year, we shall get nothing unless we franchise-tap him.

Trading Geno allows him to explore the market, where he just might get his wish of another long-term contract. As a Geno fanboy, I like that. Mike Macdonald has earned enough capital with the ownership after a 10-7 season and vastly improved defense, he could endure a year of sub-par young QB plays. Schneider? Who cares, not after reviewing his draft history.

If JS can get a second rounder for Geno I'm all for it.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Howell is very tough to bring down and can make plays with his feet like Mayfield. But he is also prone to mistakes throwing the ball downfield but it is hard to gauge a QBs decision making when playing in a pass heavy offense.

Daniles as a rookie had 480 pass attempts which is a lot! But then you compared to Howell the previous season of 2023 and he had 612 pass attempts because of Bienemy play calling.

I said at the time he needed a season to sit and I think it was the right choice. He looked sluggish in limited action but I think this off season he will be able to show more in a Kubiak offense anyways which features more 12 personnel and roll outs and boot legs.

I don't know if Howell has anything to give us. He's definitely backup level tier, but I'm not sure if he's ever going to develop.

The first thing about him is his mechanics are kind of wonky. His footwork is an absolute wreck and he's quick to bail out of the pocket. Even in college he was known as kind of a streaky passer.

He's not overly fast, but he is strong. He shrugs off defenders like Big Ben did back in the day. He doesn't do timing passes very well and he mostly excels when chucking it down the field. 612 attempts is negligence, but even so his bulk numbers were really underwhelming for a guy that passed 612 attempts.

I'm not convinced that Sam Howell was seen as anything other than a backup QB with a cheap salary.

 

[Fernie Hawks Fan]

I can't really blame Howell much for his 19 snap performance against Green Bay because Grubb did him no favours.

I was trying to remember how he did in preseason, which I thought he did pretty well. I looked for some video evidence and this is what I came up with.
I understand it's only preseason but...his pocket presence looked good and he did complete a few very good passes. As well as evading the rush AND using his legs.

 

[Appyhawk]

Howell has quite a few mental miles to cover before he is anything like a Purdy. BUT he does have some athleticism that Purdy doesn't look like he can equal.

 

[Boycie]

I'm still a Yosemite fan!

 

[Double Tribble]

Whatever happened to Always Compete?

 

[Appyhawk]

I can't really blame Howell much for his 19 snap performance against Green Bay because Grubb did him no favours.

I was trying to remember how he did in preseason, which I thought he did pretty well. I looked for some video evidence and this is what I came up with.
I understand it's only preseason but...his pocket presence looked good and he did complete a few very good passes. As well as evading the rush AND using his legs.

Looks polar opposite in this collection compared to his showing vs GB. Maybe it would be worth having him as our pre-season star, insulating Geno from potential injury.

 

[Hawknight]

I don't know if Howell has anything to give us. He's definitely backup level tier, but I'm not sure if he's ever going to develop.

The first thing about him is his mechanics are kind of wonky. His footwork is an absolute wreck and he's quick to bail out of the pocket. Even in college he was known as kind of a streaky passer.

He's not overly fast, but he is strong. He shrugs off defenders like Big Ben did back in the day. He doesn't do timing passes very well and he mostly excels when chucking it down the field. 612 attempts is negligence, but even so his bulk numbers were really underwhelming for a guy that passed 612 attempts.

I'm not convinced that Sam Howell was seen as anything other than a backup QB with a cheap salary.

I thought the same thing about Geno when he took over for Russ. Geno at best is a place holder for this team until they can figure out the QB situation. I'm not convinced Sam Howell is the answer, but I'm also not convinced that he isn't until he's given a fair chance with either this team or another in the NFL. I'd be willing to forfeit Geno's salary to build up the team and take a 1 year chance on an unproven product such as Howell than take another another year with Geno knowing the results will always be the same. I'm a go with the underdog and prove what ya got type fan. Probably the minority with this type of thinking, but that's ok.

 

[Fernie Hawks Fan]

I thought the same thing about Geno when he took over for Russ. Geno at best is a place holder for this team until they can figure out the QB situation. I'm not convinced Sam Howell is the answer, but I'm also not convinced that he isn't until he's given a fair chance with either this team or another in the NFL. I'd be willing to forfeit Geno's salary to build up the team and take a 1 year chance on an unproven product such as Howell than take another another year with Geno knowing the results will always be the same. I'm a go with the underdog and prove what ya got type fan. Probably the minority with this type of thinking, but that's ok.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Howell is the answer either, but, I am not gonna base him solely on what happened in the Green Bay game. As for what went on with him in Washington, he was in another pass-happy offence. Way too many INTs, but the O line was crap there also...and BIENEMY.

Most on here agree that our O line needs major upgrading.

Most also agree that our QBOTF cannot be had in this year's draft.

Most agree that the Grubb experiment was a complete failure.

If they trade or cut Geno for cap relief, I would be willing to give Howell a go.