POLL: Geno Is Our Franchise QB

[Jac]

Wilson is done because he lost his speed and elusiveness. Geno just ran 21 mph on a touchdown run, and showed great pocket presence and evaded the Pats pass rush quite well.

Geno might be 33 going on 34, but he hasn't taken anywhere near the beating Russell did and he's in significantly better shape. Russ is chubby, slow and can't get away with his old tricks anymore. He can still throw the ball really well, but without his other skills he's not really fit for the job anymore.

You got to think that Smith is going to be in the league longer than Wilson at this point. I don't think anybody would have predicted that a few years ago. Smith's still a starting QB for that matter...

 

[keasley45]

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but why does Geno look like ET?

 

[Fresno Hawk]

We made the playoffs his first year as the starter.

Yes we did, because Detroit beat the packers.

 

[Fresno Hawk]

We played SF in 2022. Lost the game unfortunately, but that's also Geno's only playoff start ever and that 49ers squad was substantially better.

Yes we did, that was because Detroit beat the Packers. I thought it was the 2021 season when he took over for Russ. But regardless of that year this is his make or break year and that alone is not the only reason I voted no.

 

[themunn]

Yes we did, because Detroit beat the packers.

The Packers failed to make the playoffs because they didn't beat the Lions.

The Seahawks made the playoffs because they won more games than the Packers, and beat Detroit on a head to head because we beat them.
The fact that the Packers/Lions game was at the end of the season has nothing to do with it - that L in the Packers column doesn't count any more than the other 8 losses they had that year - the Vikings beat the Packers in week 1, so we made the playoffs that year because they won that game too. That's how it works.

 

[pittpnthrs]

So was Trubisky, who was taken several spots ahead of Mahomes.

It's possible to gamble and lose big on new QBs out of college.

Absolutely. I'm just saying that Mahomes experience of sitting for one season wasn't the difference maker in his career.

 

[flv2]

...Geno Smith's contract extension was for three years, $105 million, which is far less than other starting QBs...

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/12320/geno-smith

 

[flv2]

Smith is a good player, but let's not forget the new HC & GM combination tried to move up in the 2024 Draft to secure Penix. They were also willing to listen for trade offers for Smith.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Would he have been? There have been many QB's that have been ruined because they were thrown to the wolves too soon. Not every QB is ready to start from day one, nor do they have a great grasp of the offense.

The fact is the Chiefs traded up to number 10 and gave up significant capital to acquire Mahomes, then they proceeded to give Alex Smith the nod as starter. This is despite the fact that the Chiefs were an 11 win team. Why do you think that they started Smith over Mahomes?

The answer can only be one thing, Reid didn't think he was ready yet. That one year can go a long way. The first benefit is having a greater mastery of the offense. Coming in year two if you did your homework, you have a good grasp of the playbook and all of the moving parts that are needed to make things work. In addition to that the QB has a whole year of experience preparing for opponents, film study, and experience observing what a veteran needs to do to stay relevant in the NFL. Let's not forget an additional year of developing chemistry with the wide receivers and TE's.

The NFL game is very different from the collegiate game. There are things that you can get away with in college that you can't at the NFL level. The speed is different and your throwing windows are much tighter and shorter. In the collegiate game, those passing windows are doors in many cases. The defenses and offensive structure and even the rules/fields are different.

Mahomes was not destined to be great no matter what he did, not even the NFL thought that. It was a combination of being brought up underneath one of, if not the greatest offensive minds in the NFL, a stable situation and getting the time needed to develop that turned Mahomes into Mahomes.

Spin, I understand sitting for a year can give QB's a better grasp of the playbook, but what i'm saying is that don't you think he would have had an understanding of the playbook mid-season or so? Before that - most likely. By his second season - of course. I'll give you the Reid aspect. Of course it's favorable to be under the tutelage of one of the greatest coaches ever.

Mahome's rookie season, the Chiefs went 9-7 with Alex Smith (one of those wins were from Mahomes). Mahomes ran Smith out of town. Why? He has intangibles that can't be taught. He's a great improvisor, he can make every throw, and he's as clutch as they come. Reid recognized this too and couldn't ignore it.

Do I think sitting for a season was beneficial for Mahomes? Sure, but the impact was minimal. Do I think Mahomes would have been the QB that he is today if he haden't? Absolutely.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Not really a cheapshot. Just bewildered at the arrogance of taking that viewpoint. Andy sat him for a reason. Andy believes in sitting QBs early for a reason.

Mahomes wasn't ready. Same way Love wasn't ready, but Mahomes was obviously more talented.

It's not a question if was he ready or not. It's a question if it played a big impact on how his career has turned out. I don't think it is. People are posting like he would have been hruined if he started from the outset and I think that's complete hogwash.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Wilson is done because he lost his speed and elusiveness. Geno just ran 21 mph on a touchdown run, and showed great pocket presence and evaded the Pats pass rush quite well.

Geno might be 33 going on 34, but he hasn't taken anywhere near the beating Russell did and he's in significantly better shape. Russ is chubby, slow and can't get away with his old tricks anymore. He can still throw the ball really well, but without his other skills he's not really fit for the job anymore.

Understood, but how much longer do you think Geno can contain those physical attributes before father time takes over? I'm guessing 2 to 3 more years. Might be longer.

 

[Fresno Hawk]

The Packers failed to make the playoffs because they didn't beat the Lions.

The Seahawks made the playoffs because they won more games than the Packers, and beat Detroit on a head to head because we beat them.
The fact that the Packers/Lions game was at the end of the season has nothing to do with it - that L in the Packers column doesn't count any more than the other 8 losses they had that year - the Vikings beat the Packers in week 1, so we made the playoffs that year because they won that game too. That's how it works.

This whole spill you just typed still comes back to we made the playoffs because the lions beat the packers. But what ever it's still not the only reason I voted NO he is not a franchise QB.

 

[Jac]

Understood, but how much longer do you think Geno can contain those physical attributes before father time takes over? I'm guessing 2 to 3 more years. Might be longer.

That's a big part of this. He's our guy this year and next. And he can potentially be great over that stretch and even have playoff success (particularly if this defense comes together and is consistent). But if he continues playing high-level ball into his late 30's, he will be a big exception to the norm. I'm not saying that it's impossible, but he'd certainly be beating the odds. Very few do no matter what kind of career they had.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/12320/geno-smith

Yeah, how's he gonna' eat with 105 million dollars?

 

[bigskydoc]

Yes we did, because Detroit beat the packers.

Not too shabby. It took multiple losses, by 9 other teams, for the Niners to sniff the playoffs that year.

 

[bigskydoc]

It's not a question if was he ready or not. It's a question if it played a big impact on how his career has turned out. I don't think it is. People are posting like he would have been hruined if he started from the outset and I think that's complete hogwash.

I’m with Pitt on this. Mahomes would be every bit as good if he didn’t sit behind Alex Smith for a year.

Maybe not right out of the gate, maybe it takes a little longer for him to settle in and start producing. Sitting for a year gave him extra time under Reid’s tutelage, before he was thrown into the fire. That likely allowed him to put it all together sooner than if he had to deal with the pressure of starting right away.

Mahomes was the best NFL ready prospect I’ve ever seen, coming out of college, and I said so at the time.

My biggest fear is that the Cards would take him. He might not have done quite as well with Arians as he has with Reid, but they would have been very successful, Fitz would likely have a ring, and the NFCW would have a very different history.

Thank goodness they didn’t have the foresight to draft him.

Having said that, I do believe that most rookie QBs would have better careers if they sat for a year.

 

[Jac]

I’m with Pitt on this. Mahomes would be every bit as good if he didn’t sit behind Alex Smith for a year.

Maybe not right out of the gate, maybe it takes a little longer for him to settle in and start producing. Sitting for a year gave him extra time under Reid’s tutelage, before he was thrown into the fire. That likely allowed him to put it all together sooner than if he had to deal with the pressure of starting right away.

Mahomes was the best NFL ready prospect I’ve ever seen, coming out of college, and I said so at the time.

My biggest fear is that the Cards would take him. He might not have done quite as well with Arians as he has with Reid, but they would have been very successful, Fitz would likely have a ring, and the NFCW would have a very different history.

Thank goodness they didn’t have the foresight to draft him.

Having said that, I do believe that most rookie QBs would have better careers if they sat for a year.

To that end, Howell is in a uniquely good spot. He sat a year, had some very nice success in his second year to go along with the ints/sacks, and now gets to sit back and watch the game in his third year. He’s going to benefit from all that and be on a NFL roster for the foreseeable future.

 

[Fresno Hawk]

Not too shabby. It took multiple losses, by 9 other teams, for the Niners to sniff the playoffs that year.

Maybe, but I think they had a record of 13-4

 

[bigskydoc]

Maybe, but I think they had a record of 13-4

9 NFC teams had to have a worse record than the Niners for them to make the playoffs.

9 NFC teams had to have a worse record than the Seahawks for them to make the playoffs.

in the Niners case, 15 teams had a worse record. In the Seahawks case, only 9 did.

I fail to see how the Lions beating Green Bay is any more responsible for the Seahawks making the playoffs than the Vikings, Giants, and Jets beating The Packers earlier in the season.

 

[fenderbender123]

The Seahawks are an NFL franchise. Geno Smith is the QB for the Seahawks. Therefore, Geno Smith is the Seahawks' franchise QB.