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But is record is so so, heck, make it underwhelming.

True. That's the knock. They did have a lot of key injuries on offense. I think Carr only played 10 games. And he hasn't done a whole lot of winning himself.

I am really not sure who would be best fit here. Doesn't seem like there is a guy out there where it feels like, "Oh yeah, I hope we land him". Know what I mean?
 

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Kubiak has a impressive bio and track record. Couple him at OC with Fraley as Asst HC- Offense and OL, it has a making of an upgraded offense coaching staff.

 

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Kubiak is a decent choice. I'd rather go with Schottenheimer (or Fraley depending on who he has coming with him) because I prefer the attitude inherent to a power/gap blocking scheme, but all of them have experience coaching on staffs that have elevated their quarterbacks and heavily feature under-center play action.

Kubiak is a zone guy. A lot of Mike Shanahan and Gary Kubiak shining through in his scheme. The Saints offense regressing so immensely after a few injuries worries me, but in terms of background, Kubiak is a good choice with an NFL pedigree, and we'd have his dad as kind of an informal advisor.
 

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Kubiak is a decent choice. I'd rather go with Schottenheimer (or Fraley depending on who he has coming with him) because I prefer the attitude inherent to a power/gap blocking scheme, but all of them have experience coaching on staffs that have elevated their quarterbacks and heavily feature under-center play action.

Kubiak is a zone guy. A lot of Mike Shanahan and Gary Kubiak shining through in his scheme. The Saints offense regressing so immensely after a few injuries worries me, but in terms of background, Kubiak is a good choice with an NFL pedigree, and we'd have his dad as kind of an informal advisor.
I'd be interested in Schottenheimer over Fraley, but probably still prefer Kubiak over both.

I know Macdonald said he's not going to prioritize playcalling experience, but I feel like having that background would be really valuable to pair with a HC who's also the (real) DC.

That said, Schottenheimer hasn't called plays for several seasons now, but he'll probably be looking for a new job now that McCarthy is out in Dallas. Might be worth an interview.
 

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I'd be interested in Schottenheimer over Fraley, but probably still prefer Kubiak over both.

I know Macdonald said he's not going to prioritize playcalling experience, but I feel like having that background would be really valuable to pair with a HC who's also the (real) DC.

That said, Schottenheimer hasn't called plays for several seasons now, but he'll probably be looking for a new job now that McCarthy is out in Dallas. Might be worth an interview.
IMO, Schotty is the best option. A proven play caller who will stick around, and I think he & Macdonald would mesh well together. But the fact that he's been fired by this team would be a big wrench in that plan.


I also heard from .Nets favorite Seahawks podcaster, Rob Staton (/s) Ben Macadoo's name thrown out. Not a trendy name, but like he said, all of Baltimore's OC's haven't been trendy names. He cited his last time calling plays, which was in 2022 with Carolina, and that late season stretch when they averaged 160 rush yards a game. He seems like an Arthur Smith type. I don't think they're looking at him though, given the fact that he's available to interview right now, and they haven't brought up his name at this point.
 

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IMO, Schotty is the best option. A proven play caller who will stick around, and I think he & Macdonald would mesh well together. But the fact that he's been fired by this team would be a big wrench in that plan.


I also heard from .Nets favorite Seahawks podcaster, Rob Staton (/s) Ben Macadoo's name thrown out. Not a trendy name, but like he said, all of Baltimore's OC's haven't been trendy names. He cited his last time calling plays, which was in 2022 with Carolina, and that late season stretch when they averaged 160 rush yards a game. He seems like an Arthur Smith type. I don't think they're looking at him though, given the fact that he's available to interview right now, and they haven't brought up his name at this point.
Ben McAdoo was also early on Geno Smith and tried to start him in New York.

Macdonald and McAdoo would get along when it came to their view on the QB.
 

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Not a fan of any of them so far. Kubiak is supposed to interview today, but his season arc smells like Waldron and Grubb's - start hot only to be completely solved down the stretch.

Great coordinators maintain performance across the length of a season. I am tired of watching our offense get worse as the season progresses for 3 years now as opposing defenses figure out how to play us and our OC cant adjust.
 

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IMO, Schotty is the best option. A proven play caller who will stick around, and I think he & Macdonald would mesh well together. But the fact that he's been fired by this team would be a big wrench in that plan.


I also heard from .Nets favorite Seahawks podcaster, Rob Staton (/s) Ben Macadoo's name thrown out. Not a trendy name, but like he said, all of Baltimore's OC's haven't been trendy names. He cited his last time calling plays, which was in 2022 with Carolina, and that late season stretch when they averaged 160 rush yards a game. He seems like an Arthur Smith type. I don't think they're looking at him though, given the fact that he's available to interview right now, and they haven't brought up his name at this point.

Would love to have Schotty back. We never got to see how solid a scheme he developed because we literally chose improv over the playbook.

Schotty was scheming players open quite often... for nothing. And his run game scheme was tops.
 

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IMO, Schotty is the best option. A proven play caller who will stick around, and I think he & Macdonald would mesh well together. But the fact that he's been fired by this team would be a big wrench in that plan.


I also heard from .Nets favorite Seahawks podcaster, Rob Staton (/s) Ben Macadoo's name thrown out. Not a trendy name, but like he said, all of Baltimore's OC's haven't been trendy names. He cited his last time calling plays, which was in 2022 with Carolina, and that late season stretch when they averaged 160 rush yards a game. He seems like an Arthur Smith type. I don't think they're looking at him though, given the fact that he's available to interview right now, and they haven't brought up his name at this point.
I wager Schotty has been waiting for a crack at the HC spot in Dallas. I dont think we will hear anything about interest in him until he clears that hurdle - assuming there is interest. But him waiting out a chance there might take him out of the running here.
 

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I wager Schotty has been waiting for a crack at the HC spot in Dallas. I dont think we will hear anything about interest in him until he clears that hurdle - assuming there is interest. But him waiting out a chance there might take him out of the running here.
That's true, though I wonder if Dallas is looking for an internal hire or trying to go a completely new direction. Being the Dallas Cowboys HC with Dak Prescott assumedly coming back might be one of the more enticing spots for one of the superstar OCs looking to make that jump to head coach.
 

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That's true, though I wonder if Dallas is looking for an internal hire or trying to go a completely new direction. Being the Dallas Cowboys HC with Dak Prescott assumedly coming back might be one of the more enticing spots for one of the superstar OCs looking to make that jump to head coach.

It would be hilarious if Pete landed the gig, retained Schotty and the two of them won the Owl together, rolling the Hawks in the wildcard round by running the ball down our throats.

Funny for them, i mean...
 

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I wager Schotty has been waiting for a crack at the HC spot in Dallas. I dont think we will hear anything about interest in him until he clears that hurdle - assuming there is interest. But him waiting out a chance there might take him out of the running here.
Isn't Jones paling around with primetime Sanders?
 

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Would love to have Schotty back. We never got to see how solid a scheme he developed because we literally chose improv over the playbook.

Schotty was scheming players open quite often... for nothing. And his run game scheme was tops.
Yeah, in some of Wilson's worse games, he ironically had some of the best passing concepts drawn up. Kurt Warner was breaking them down -- Wilson just wasn't able to see what was going on and he wasn't able to read the modern Fangio style defenses properly. He drew up the right plays for the given scenario's. When Wilson start struggling we went more to ground and pound.

He knew exactly how to take advantage of RB's like Penny and Carson too. Penny struggled in traffic, but he knew if he got him in space he'd be able to make things happen. We saw a lot of creative counters, draws and misdirections with Penny out there.

The offense looked the most disciplined too. DK didn't have the same constant stream of mistakes and miscommunications.

Would not be upset one bit to see him back here.
 
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