My Action Plan (you may not agree)

[Ostatehawk]

There's nothing you said that I disagree with. Id strip it to the bone. Fant is overpriced, Dremont Jones isnt worth that free agency contract.

I'm all about this. we cannot piecemeal together a winning combo starting here. It needs a tear down.

Rip off the band-aid.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

You have to also consider cap hits, dead $ etc. You can't just release everyone. But you make good points.

 

[Flyingsquad23]

I think this idea that the Hawks could get a “haul” for DK is dead.
A 3rd for Devontae Adams shows there would minimal return for a guy some of you think sucks at half of his game.

 

[Flyingsquad23]

And now Amari Cooper goes to the Bills for a 3rd.
I think holding DK is a better option.

 

[oldhawkfan]

I'm all about this. we cannot piecemeal together a winning combo starting here. It needs a tear down.

Rip off the band-aid.

From the 2021 season to now, there are 7 plyers left from that team. That was the last season that #3 played for the Seahawks. The 7 players left from that team are; DK Metcalf, Tyler Lockett, Geno Smith, Tre Brown, Michael Dixon, Stone Forsythe, and Jason Myers.

We are currently 6 games into the 2024 seasons. This is the third season played without Wilson on the roster. The tear down began in the offseason between seasons 21 and 22. Thats three years. The current roster has 48 players age 28 or younger. The tear down began three seasons ago. A shit ton of draft capitol was gained through the Wilson trade. Dead weight and extreme salaries have been cut. This is the last year of major dead cap hits.

The rebuild is in process. Too damn many fans want instant fixes. Draft pick A hasn't done squat after a half dozen games, means he was a bad pick. Some players need time. A new coach and scheme needs time.

We are similarily in the same place as the team was in 2010. New coach, new scheme, new team. Geno Smith is in the Tarvaris Jackson role. Sam Howell is this teams version of clipboard Jesus. Be patient, enjoy the ride and above all else remember its just a game. A game that none of us participate in. A game that none of us really have an impact on.

I want them to win as much as the next guy. Its not like this team was a Super Bowl favorite heading into the season. I believe most pundants had them somewhere around 5 wins. 5-9 wins seems about right. Going into the season, if anyone told me they were guaranteed to be 3-3, 6 games in, I would have been ecstatic.

Rebuilds or tear downs don't take over night. We are essentially in year three of a roster rebuild. With a brand new, green at the gills head coach and staff, we must take their learning into consideration along with the roster of young, getting acclimated to the pro game, players.

There is a good foundation being put in place ( Mafe, Hall, Spoon, Woolen, Murphy, k9, charbs, Cross, JSN,...). Be patient. Its gonna be worth it.

 

[Scout]

The NFL teams that tend to dominate year in and year out have at leas 2 to 3 NFL WR studs on their roster. Unless you have Patrick Mahomes on your roster you are not winning in this league with average WRs even if your trenches are elite.

And to echo what was said above the Hawks are one of the youngest teams in the NFL. If you have Lockett and Smith move on lets say the average age of the roster drops like a rock.

Tearing down constantly puts you in the Browns territory.

No thanks!

 

[irfuben32]

The NFL teams that tend to dominate year in and year out have at leas 2 to 3 NFL WR studs on their roster. Unless you have Patrick Mahomes on your roster you are not winning in this league with average WRs even if your trenches are elite.

And to echo what was said above the Hawks are one of the youngest teams in the NFL. If you have Lockett and Smith move on lets say the average age of the roster drops like a rock.

Tearing down constantly puts you in the Browns territory.

No thanks!

Gonna need some examples

 

[JayhawkMike]

My action plan:
1. Fire JS at the end of this season if not sooner.
2. Hire a GM that has actually had success at building teams with good to great Offensive Lines and Defensive Lines.
3. Ditch Geno and use his money in the trenches.
4. Start Howell (now) and if he plays well draft a QB later in the draft to develop as a backup and if Howell does not play well draft a QB in the first 3 rounds.
5. Trade DK or Lockett (man I hate to say that always giving DK the benefit of the doubt) and make JSN the #2 WR next to the one not traded.
6. Cut or trade anyone that has missed more than 50% of the games over a two year period.
7. Be patient with MacDonald for 2-3 years.

 

[MORGULON]

From the 2021 season to now, there are 7 plyers left from that team. That was the last season that #3 played for the Seahawks. The 7 players left from that team are; DK Metcalf, Tyler Lockett, Geno Smith, Tre Brown, Michael Dixon, Stone Forsythe, and Jason Myers.

We are currently 6 games into the 2024 seasons. This is the third season played without Wilson on the roster. The tear down began in the offseason between seasons 21 and 22. Thats three years. The current roster has 48 players age 28 or younger. The tear down began three seasons ago. A shit ton of draft capitol was gained through the Wilson trade. Dead weight and extreme salaries have been cut. This is the last year of major dead cap hits.

The rebuild is in process. Too damn many fans want instant fixes. Draft pick A hasn't done squat after a half dozen games, means he was a bad pick. Some players need time. A new coach and scheme needs time.

We are similarily in the same place as the team was in 2010. New coach, new scheme, new team. Geno Smith is in the Tarvaris Jackson role. Sam Howell is this teams version of clipboard Jesus. Be patient, enjoy the ride and above all else remember its just a game. A game that none of us participate in. A game that none of us really have an impact on.

I want them to win as much as the next guy. Its not like this team was a Super Bowl favorite heading into the season. I believe most pundants had them somewhere around 5 wins. 5-9 wins seems about right. Going into the season, if anyone told me they were guaranteed to be 3-3, 6 games in, I would have been ecstatic.

Rebuilds or tear downs don't take over night. We are essentially in year three of a roster rebuild. With a brand new, green at the gills head coach and staff, we must take their learning into consideration along with the roster of young, getting acclimated to the pro game, players.

There is a good foundation being put in place ( Mafe, Hall, Spoon, Woolen, Murphy, k9, charbs, Cross, JSN,...). Be patient. Its gonna be worth it.

Good post

 

[AgentDib]

Not sure how many season ticket holders would be OK with giving up on the season while we're currently 3-3. There's still a bunch of home games left which require investments in money, time and effort to attend.

We should take a hard look at our front office this off-season. We'll have a lot more information by then and how we play the remainder of this season matters.

 

[MORGULON]

Like others on here that say MM needs time to get this team turned around , I think John Schneider needs and deserves the same time as the GM. This is his first season as the true operator of the Seattle Seahawks. He's always had PC as his boss , which is kinda strange . Most coaches aren't the GM's supervisor.

I don't agree with the people who want to run him off . Who do you replace him with ? How do you know this would change things for the better?
It would be starting over again and possibly hurt MM because he took the job knowing who the GM was going to be .

 

[Scout]

Gonna need some examples

Rams and Bucs did not do a complete tear down.

They did a heavy focus on the draft and UDFA due to salary constraints and right now they are competing despite not having enough "talent".

The Hawks have a young team but with a better cap situation and young promising HC. A tear down is completely unwarranted.

If the fear is that the Hawks can not find a young QB to take over the franchise the truth is young QBs are always found in the draft of the first round. It doesn't have to be in the top five or top ten.

 

[Jegpeg]

If the fear is that the Hawks can not find a young QB to take over the franchise the truth is young QBs are always found in the draft of the first round. It doesn't have to be in the top five or top ten.

Young QBs can be foound in any round of the draft, but if you want one that is a competant NFL starter its pot luck with the odds going down the later in the draft you pick.

Here is a list of the QBs drafted between 2014 and 2023 in round 1 but outside the top 10. Of those I would only be happy with Jackson or Love as our starter.

Pickett
Fields
Mac Jones
Love
Haskins
Jackson
Watson
Lynch
Manziel
Bridgewater

 

[projectorfreak]

DK is the only one who can take the top off a defense but we need oline so , so badly
It's going to be a year or 2 before we become good and that's a big if , we draft and trade well
If JS has been in control somewhat for the decade then I'm not sure it's gonna happen unless MM says we HAVE to get some more protection and zero scrubs cuz we already know that don't work

 

[MORGULON]

If the fear is that the Hawks can not find a young QB to take over the franchise the truth is young QBs are always found in the draft of the first round. It doesn't have to be in the top five or top ten.

QBs are found all through the draft. Not just the first round.

 

[Seahawk_Dan]

I agree.

DK for a 2nd and maybe squeeze a 4th in there too

Lockett if he wants to go (or restructure), team like the Chiefs would be perfect, maybe you get a 4th for him

Move on from Fant

Move on from Jones

Move on from Geno

Draft so far (with fictional picks from a DK/Lockett trades)

1st
2nd
2nd
3rd
4th
4th
4th
4th
5th
6th
6th
7th

 

[hawker84]

The NFL teams that tend to dominate year in and year out have at leas 2 to 3 NFL WR studs on their roster. Unless you have Patrick Mahomes on your roster you are not winning in this league with average WRs even if your trenches are elite.

And to echo what was said above the Hawks are one of the youngest teams in the NFL. If you have Lockett and Smith move on lets say the average age of the roster drops like a rock.

Tearing down constantly puts you in the Browns territory.

No thanks!

This is absolutely not true. It all starts in the trenches. With out a solid OLine it doesn't matter who you have at your skill positions, if your QB doesn't have time to go through his reads or allow a route to develope, whats the point? It's football 101, build a team from the inside out. Something Carroll or JS never figured out.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Teardowns are emotional catharsis for fans in theory, a good way to vent frustration, but they don't make the team better. Geno had such a good game yesterday that he's drawing plaudits from the national media. Dre'Mont Jones had a terrific game (surprised the hell outta me, but he had it) now that he's playing at end. And those draft picks you're stockpiling could pull a Malik McDowell for all you know.

And again I'm seeing idolization of the O-line. The reality is - I miss Kearly's eloquence when explaining this - it's something that can be merely average. We won a Super Bowl with the #32 O-line in adjusted sack rate. JS and many other teams have figured this out while message board lurkers have remained in the dark for over a decade.

 

[Count Hawkula]

We were 9-8 in 2022 and 9-8 in 2023. Now we are 3-3, this is and has been an average team. Treading water might save your life for now, but eventually you will get tired and drown. We are starting to get tired.

I propose we cut cap and stock pile picks. Metcalf should hopefully draw some interest before the deadline, which if we get a decent return also saves future cap since we aren't re-signing him to a 30M + deal. Geno is 34 and has been the driver both seasons at 9-8 and now 3-3, don't extend him. Sam Howell deserves a shot and has an extra year on his deal. It kills me to say it, but if Tyler agrees then trade him to a contender like the Chiefs or Ravens.

When we won SBXLVIII we had a well paid but experienced OL and our DL had depth for days. We must draft OL and DL, plus add line in FA. Build from the inside out. We can't compete until we can run the ball and stop the run. With our RBs we should be running it down other teams throats. However, JS doesn't seem to be able to draft a good OL to save his life. We need help, maybe a guy like Holmgren could be a consultant for Free Agency and the Draft. He knows a thing or two about running the ball. It doesn't matter how many shiny toys you have at RB, WR or QB if you can't protect, block for them or get the ball to them. Build the foundation save cap and then start adding some toys.

Anyways that is my basic plan. I'm ready for the onslaught, have at it folks.

When I posted this I pointed out we were 9-8, 9-8 and at that time 3-3 with Geno at the helm and were just treading water. Now we are 4-4. I am not laying this shit show on one man, but it's time to stir the pot and stop treading water.

 

[hawks85]

My action plan:
1. Fire JS at the end of this season if not sooner.
2. Hire a GM that has actually had success at building teams with good to great Offensive Lines and Defensive Lines.
3. Ditch Geno and use his money in the trenches.
4. Start Howell (now) and if he plays well draft a QB later in the draft to develop as a backup and if Howell does not play well draft a QB in the first 3 rounds.
5. Trade DK or Lockett (man I hate to say that always giving DK the benefit of the doubt) and make JSN the #2 WR next to the one not traded.
6. Cut or trade anyone that has missed more than 50% of the games over a two year period.
7. Be patient with MacDonald for 2-3 years.

I like the way you think