MacDonald riding with Geno

[OrangeGravy]

Yup. Especially not a washed up, career backup who received 'preferential treatment' from PC in his competition to win the job from Drew Lock.

Oddly though, i think there is a faction that would have been just fine going 9-8 and 10-7 with Lock at the helm. His failures would be seen entirely differently.

Same would go for a guy like Trevor Lawrence.

Edited for attacking poster. Please keep civil

 

[CallMeADawg]

Yup. Even Detroit Goff pre- Johnson was mediocre.

And the silly thing is, Geno has better accuracy, leads everybody in lowest bad pass%, gets more pressure than Goff but takes about the same number of hits, and he has the # 30th ranked line while according to this ranking, Goff has #6.

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Hello???

If a guy can throw more accurate passes behind crap for protection than one who has some of, if not THE best protection in the league, that SHOULD say something.

But somehow team GeNo doesnt buy that he could at minimum be comparable to Goff overall if he had 'Goff-like' support. I mean, in some really telling areas, he already IS better than Goff with crap line play and no OC.

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Yeah it seems the people willing to review the data and examine the situation objectively agree that Geno behind a quality line and a solid running game, with a competent OC, would shine.

Those unwilling and that prefer to look at the situation subjectively think he’s terrible no matter what the data says.

Good thing the Seahawks FO will look at the data and the objective analysis of their football people to make the right decision.

 

[Ozzy]

Jared Goff is putting up some of the best stats in the league and is part of a juggernaut. He's the same guy the Rams let go after winning nothing with him except a Super Bowl appearance in which they put up 3 points.

Matthew Stafford got traded from the reeling Lions to the Rams in the same trade. He won a Super Bowl right away when he couldn't win anything in Detroit.

Quarterbacks are not this unchanging entity that can be expected to perform at the same level due to their inherent qualities as players. It is just as, if not more, important to surround them with a talented and cohesive supporting cast.

you could argue the Rams had the guts to move off a good QB(and he was very good for them) to take the next step. They’re Vikings did the same thing. If they look at the landscape and say let’s bring Geno back because it’s what is best for the team long term then I trust Mike and John. If they decide, like the Rams and Vikings examples above, that it’s the best to move on I’ll trust that too.

My argument this whole time is that there are reasonable reasons to keep him AND there are reasonable reasons to move on from Geno. I’m open to all of them and hopefully the Seahawks are too because that’s what successful teams do.

 

[Ozzy]

That's the North Idaho faction. Goff, the guy who thought the sun sets in the East is the more "intelligent" QB. The subtle dog whistles aren't so subtle these days

Wait so anyone who wanted to move on from Geno at any point is because they’re racist? Seriously?

 

[keasley45]

you could argue the Rams had the guts to move off a good QB(and he was very good for them) to take the next step. They’re Vikings did the same thing. If they look at the landscape and say let’s bring Geno back because it’s what is best for the team long term then I trust Mike and John. If they decide, like the Rams and Vikings examples above, that it’s the best to move on I’ll trust that too.

My argument this whole time is that there are reasonable reasons to keep him AND there are reasonable reasons to move on from Geno. I’m open to all of them and hopefully the Seahawks are too because that’s what successful teams do.

If Geno was as unreliable and seemingly lost as Goff looked when he had to deal with a not great line and sub-par running game, he might be on the way out as well.

Goff simply could not execute McVay's scheme in sub-ideal conditions. He left a lot of plays on the field and McVay felt like he couldnt win with him

That isnt remotely the case in Seattle. The FO sees their QB operating the system (mostly) to the maximum potential available. Thats why you hear Mac talking about team errors when asked about some of Geno's struggles and how he is pushing too much. He was pushing because there wasnt much there. Doesnt excuse it, but its different than making an error because you arent accurate or are consistently fooled into errors.

 

[OrangeGravy]

Wait so anyone who wanted to move on from Geno at any point is because they’re racist? Seriously?

What about the word faction implies everyone? I'll help you out.
Faction: small organized dissenting group within a larger one.

 

[nIdahoSeahawk]

That's the North Idaho faction. Goff, the guy who thought the sun sets in the East is the more "intelligent" QB. The subtle dog whistles aren't so subtle these days

Hey now… the only faction I’m a part of is the 12’s.

 

[Ozzy]

What about the word faction implies everyone? I'll help you out.
Faction: small organized dissenting group within a larger one.

Your implied point wasn’t a big faction then, we both know that.

Still don’t understand why you continue to be snarky and rude to a bunch of strangers on the internet. It seems to be your constant approach though

 

[Spin Doctor]

If Geno was as unreliable and seemingly lost as Goff looked when he had to deal with a not great line and sub-par running game, he might be on the way out as well.

Goff simply could not execute McVay's scheme in sub-ideal conditions. He left a lot of plays on the field and McVay felt like he couldnt win with him

That isnt remotely the case in Seattle. The FO sees their QB operating the system (mostly) to the maximum potential available. Thats why you hear Mac talking about team errors when asked about some of Geno's struggles and how he is pushing too much. He was pushing because there wasnt much there. Doesnt excuse it, but its different than making an error because you arent accurate or are consistently fooled into errors.

"Pushing too much" is a classic coach speak phrase. I've heard coaches say that my whole life as a football fan when the QB's are struggling. It could mean a lot of things in this context. Can't really read anything into those choice of words. It's a PC way of answering a question without answering the question. Macdonald is acknowledging the struggle, but he's not pointing to any specific thing.

 

[ruffENrowdy]

That's the North Idaho faction. Goff, the guy who thought the sun sets in the East is the more "intelligent" QB. The subtle dog whistles aren't so subtle these days

That is a super bad take dude. I just call it how I see it, and I don't look at all the crazy ass stats that they have now. I just see what I see and post how I feel. Isn't that the point of a message board? Please do not lump me into that type of crappy group.

 

[OrangeGravy]

Your implied point wasn’t a big faction then, we both know that.

Still don’t understand why you continue to be snarky and rude to a bunch of strangers on the internet. It seems to be your constant approach though

a SMALL organized group within a larger one.

 

[SeaWolv]

Whelp, any chance of getting McCarthy just died at SoFi Stadium last night.

I’m guessing Sam Darnold may be available now. Not sure I’d want him after his performance over the last two games.

 

[keasley45]

But

"Pushing too much" is a classic coach speak phrase. I've heard coaches say that my whole life as a football fan when the QB's are struggling. It could mean a lot of things in this context. Can't really read anything into those choice of words. It's a PC way of answering a question without answering the question. Macdonald is acknowledging the struggle, but he's not pointing to any specific thing.

He isnt the only one who has said it.

Daniel Jeremiah
Mark Schlereth
Brock Huard
Charles Davis

Pretty much most analysts who have been polled on the subject and review the INTs come to the same conclusion. DJ as a matter of fact did a pick by pick analysis and explained the issue with Geno's errors :

Pushing too hard under durress, trying to force something thats not their. And its an important distinction because it is a far different issue than being fooled or not seeing coverages well.

I get that it CAN be coach speak, but like Allen a year ago when he was throwing picks like they were darts at a frat party, Geno was doing stupid crap to score Tds that he shouldn't have.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Tank Dell would like a word...

Word about what, his pedestrian 51 receptions season?

 

[pittpnthrs]

I don't think being the guy who replaced Mr Unlimited helped with a good chunk of fans. That subset of fans was never gonna accept whoever was next.

Could be that chunk of fans just realized who Geno Smith was and got tired of other fans attempts of trying to disprove it because he's a Seahawk. No matter the stats, the results are always the same with Geno,,,,mediocre.

 

[pittpnthrs]

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[SoulfishHawk]

Hey now… the only faction I’m a part of is the 12’s.

Dang, now I have to look up Faction.

 

[pittpnthrs]

I'm confused. Do you realize how nonsensical it is to marry both your 'weapons matter' argument to a 'QB Wins' rant? And then 'It' factor of all things?

First of all, QB Wins is not a real thing. Wins are a team stat. The QB is one player on one third of the units a football team fields every week. Stroud didn't win a playoff game on Saturday. The Houston Texans did and that was led by their defense. The offense was merely mediocre, and Stroud was below average amongst playoff QBs so far this weekend. If Geno had a defense that played that good against the Niners in 2022, he'd ALSO have a playoff victory.

Second, I didn't 'cap on the talent positions'. You are the 'QB wins, supporting cast is an excuse' guy. I was dragging you for your blatant hypocrisy in talking about these things to defend Stroud not performing this year. Whenever it's pointed out where our team fails Geno, it's his fault. Geno outperforms Stroud this year? Well, he doesn't have weapons.
I mean, you literally fell right back into your "making excuses" schtick at the end of this post. Pick a side dude, because if you keep moving those goal posts back and forth over and over, they're going to break.

Third, on the 'It factor'... my man, you belong in this room:

Stroud threw for 282 and a TD. That's below average? Also, what's this about Stroud not performing this season? He ended up with 3700 yrds, 20 TD's and 12 int's while his skill position weapons missed time. Compare that to the almighty Geno's 4100 yrds, 21 TD's and 15 int's and it doesn't seem to bad.

So you don't believe in the "it" factor? Your purely a numbers guy that doesn't trust what your eyes see. Got it.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Don't bother Pitt, it won't help. Go Hawks

 

[Rat]

So you don't believe in the "it" factor? Your purely a numbers guy that doesn't trust what your eyes see. Got it.

Numbers guy as in hypothetical numbers if everything else around the QB is perfect.