Just how pass-happy is this offense?

[flv2]

The Seahawks have invested much more in the passing game and the defense than in their rushing attack. The Seahawks will win or lose with those components. That said it doesn't justify a 7 to 1 passing ratio.

 

[keasley45]

If you followed UW last year, Grubb, started to run the ball “more” in the middle of the year and towards the end of the year UW ran the ball a lot.

This has got to be it.

Possibly, Grubb, wants to preserve the run game towards end of the year (when making a playoff run) to not otherwise risk injury to his RB1 so early in the season.

If you can get the QB into a rhythm and build cohesion with his receivers in the middle of the year, they will perform better in the post season because they have those reps—however a running back tend to get injured a lot during the course of the season (remember all those times Carson got injured) Seattle ran Carson into the ground….

Maybe Grubb is about unleashing his run game when defenses are wearing down in the middle of the season and towards the end of the year…

Cause winning playoff games you need a healthy RB1 to win and possibly, Grubb, is waiting for his offensive line to get better and preserving his RBs to GIVE defenses a harder time towards pushing for playoffs?

Just a thought….

So you're saying Grubb is passing so much to save his RB1 for postseason? Isnt he simultaneously then playing russian roulette with his QB1, a player vastly more importamnt to the function of his offense than his RB? His playcalls got Geno sacked 7 times last week. And much of that was a resukt of what looked like pure hubris on the part of the playcaller and overall offensive gameplan. What good is his offense if Geno ends up on IR but Walker is healthy?

My concern with Grubb is what it was when he was announced - that his love affair with winning the way he wants (passing) out shines his desire to win by at times being less glamorous.

Best case, he's still just finding his way. Even with the crazy skewed RP ratio, the offense is still effective and downright deadly at times. He just needs a kick in the ass to work in run schemes that match the effectiveness of his pass schemes.

Worst case? There's a part of him thats more concerned with winning spectacularly , his name in lights as the mastermind, and his 'next step' than he is just winning in a complimentary style.

Dont get me wrong, i love what he has done with the passing game and ability to adjust off of it. But sometimes he reminds me of the last QB who played here in that he wants the shine that comes with the big numbers and uber intelectual xs and os pass scheming associated with the brilliant minds in KC, Sf and LA (forgetting that when they were at their best, they had formidable ground games to lean on).

 

[keasley45]

The real question is:

If we are in the big game down by 4 with 16 seconds left and one time out, Walker in the backfield, Geno under center, Dk, Fant, Lock and JSN on the flanks, would Grubb call a run or a pass?

 

[Ozzy]

The thing is, the offense is working. We're 4th in passing and 19th in rushing efficiency. Most metrics have us somewhere between 12th and 6th in total offense. So, what we see on the graph might also reflect the team's inefficiencies in the running game. In simple terms, Grubb calls more passes because they have been significantly more effective.

With that said, they do need to find a better balance. We've invested too much in the running game and have too much talent to have such a vast disparity. And look, Geno's awesome, but he's not prime Peyton Manning. We won't win many games, asking him to throw 40+ times regardless of efficiency. I mean, look at the Bengals. Joe Burrow is having an all-time great volume season, and they are 1-4.

This is a solid take. Grubb is doing some good things with a subpar and injured line and I’m sure he agrees it still needs a little more balance. They will get there.

 

[warden]

Can’t run between the tackles.

You want to run the ball, you need better interior offensive lineman

 

[94Smith]

I bet they try to get Walker going against the Niners.

If they don't it would be a mistake. 49ers run defense statistics are down this year

 

[Bear-Hawk]

If they don't it would be a mistake. 49ers run defense statistics are down this year

Cardinals had 169 yards rushing against 49ers. Is their offensive line that much better than Seahawks?

 

[Ozzy]

I love listening to Grubb. Total accountability and might be my favorite coach to interview we’ve ever had.

 

[TwistedHusky]

I think it is a function of our defense.

You see our defense just letting teams rip up the field into the EZ and you start to realize you have to score, because your defense will give up a score if you play the field position game.

The pressure increases and you start to stick with the pass, because your best players are in your passing game. The same reason that teams that are behind several scores, start passing the ball repeatedly - because they have to narrow the gap. They cannot afford to punt the ball away and not score.

We probably start with more passing to get Geno going, with the plan to shift to more run offense (not sure Walker is 100% healthy though). But when teams just repeatedly walk into the EZ, and we realize we cannot stop them - all we can hope for is to score (TDs or at least get into the 20 for a FG)

 

[94Smith]

Cardinals had 169 yards rushing against 49ers. Is their offensive line that much better than Seahawks?

It was more Connor breaking tackles

 

[Bear-Hawk]

It was more Connor breaking tackles

So why not Walker?

 

[94Smith]

So why not Walker?

Exactly. I’m just saying it wasn’t the o line

 

[Gametime]

Grubbs ownership over the lack of a run game and the 4th down play call was refreshing. Great leadership in my opinion. He easily could have danced around it and said it was about time of possession and not getting in rhythm etc but he flat out owned it. That actually got me fired up for Thursday. This coaching staff owns its mistakes and seeks to improve and players will rally to that too. It’s leadership from the front. Let’s see what they do in a truly big primetime game that will have them in pole position or once again looking up in the standings. This game wasn’t like the Detroit game. It was embarrassing and at home. True greatness is not always built in circumstances themselves but in the response to those circumstances. It’s what they do next I’m truly interested in seeing.

 

[MORGULON]

And my post isn’t a knock on Geno. The plays he’s changing he’s probably reading the safeties and doing the “right” thing in the moment. Sometimes tho to get in a rhythm you need to run even when they want you to and still have some success. Easy fix for these guys.

Unless the defenses are baiting the QB into changing the play to a pass with their alignment

 

[GemCity]

The real question is:

If we are in the big game down by 4 with 16 seconds left and one time out, Walker in the backfield, Geno under center, Dk, Fant, Lock and JSN on the flanks, would Grubb call a run or a pass?

Yes.

 

[GemCity]

The thing is, the offense is working. We're 4th in passing and 19th in rushing efficiency. Most metrics have us somewhere between 12th and 6th in total offense. So, what we see on the graph might also reflect the team's inefficiencies in the running game. In simple terms, Grubb calls more passes because they have been significantly more effective.

With that said, they do need to find a better balance. We've invested too much in the running game and have too much talent to have such a vast disparity. And look, Geno's awesome, but he's not prime Peyton Manning. We won't win many games, asking him to throw 40+ times regardless of efficiency. I mean, look at the Bengals. Joe Burrow is having an all-time great volume season, and they are 1-4.

Well said!!

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

So you're saying Grubb is passing so much to save his RB1 for postseason? Isnt he simultaneously then playing russian roulette with his QB1, a player vastly more importamnt to the function of his offense than his RB? His playcalls got Geno sacked 7 times last week. And much of that was a resukt of what looked like pure hubris on the part of the playcaller and overall offensive gameplan. What good is his offense if Geno ends up on IR but Walker is healthy?

My concern with Grubb is what it was when he was announced - that his love affair with winning the way he wants (passing) out shines his desire to win by at times being less glamorous.

Best case, he's still just finding his way. Even with the crazy skewed RP ratio, the offense is still effective and downright deadly at times. He just needs a kick in the ass to work in run schemes that match the effectiveness of his pass schemes.

Worst case? There's a part of him thats more concerned with winning spectacularly , his name in lights as the mastermind, and his 'next step' than he is just winning in a complimentary style.

Dont get me wrong, i love what he has done with the passing game and ability to adjust off of it. But sometimes he reminds me of the last QB who played here in that he wants the shine that comes with the big numbers and uber intelectual xs and os pass scheming associated with the brilliant minds in KC, Sf and LA (forgetting that when they were at their best, they had formidable ground games to lean on).

All great points, I agree….

Yes, he is somewhat playing roulette with Smith passing so much….

I am thinking that passing a lot will build the rapport needed at the end of the year and when you start to run the ball more so during the middle end of the year, you lessen the tread life on our RBs needed in the post season.

It could all be strategy for all we know but it sounds like Grubb will incorporate more running based on what Mac said he should do and Grubb said he kind of got lost with the pass game and he will review his plan of attack moving forward to encompass more running as well….

We’ll just have to see what happens ultimately.

 

[Bear-Hawk]

Exactly. I’m just saying it wasn’t the o line

So, if Walker can get about as much blocking as Conner did, the Seahawks should be able to run the ball.

 

[AgentDib]

Good points here. Another thing to consider is that abdominal injuries can linger and are easily re-aggravated. We'll never know for sure, but I would bet that Walker has been on a pitch count the last two games (<20 touches in each), and he's the back we can still feed even if the OL run blocking is struggling. Charbs is a downhill runner who is better turning something into more of something then he is at turning nothing into something.

 

[FreshBoxLive]

Oh my God this is disgusting.