It's probably time to start trading and releasing players...

[cymatica]

As much as I want to root for Geno, he's 34 now and he'll be 36 by the time the Oline is fixed. This team isn't going anywhere with that Oline. I say trade Geno and DK, invest in the Trenches, and roll with Howell until someone better comes along.

Lockett makes no sense. He's old and won't return much value, he also wants to be in Seattle and he does hold value for helping the younger guys.

 

[Cyrus12]

I still maintain the trade for Howell was bad. Shoulda re signed Lock or a vet and used those picks on actual players that could do something to help. Howell us not a starter and was and is no threat to Geno this season.

 

[Seahawk_Dan]

Trade DK, been saying it for years. He's a beast but the drops, turnovers and penalties are too costly.

Maybe before the deadline we could get a 2nd and some change for him, maybe a 1st because his physical traits are just too nasty.

Honestly, Carolina comes to mind. They want a weapon and they’re gonna pick in the Top 5 for sure.

 

[jammerhawk]

Wow, yet another thread where some of you are playing Madden or let’s pretend to be a GM. Holy Hyperbole on the toss in the towel and trade good players for unproven draft picks.

The team has a potentially good team or at least it shows up occasionally. I‘d like to keep the good bits and pieces rather trading them away for a pig in a poke. It’s great to see the thoughts though.

 

[kidhawk]

Wow, yet another thread where some of you are playing Madden or let’s pretend to be a GM. Holy Hyperbole on the toss in the towel and trade good players for unproven draft picks.

The team has a potentially good team or at least it shows up occasionally. I‘d like to the good bits and pieces rather trading them away for a pig in a poke. It’s great to see the thoughts though.

I agree that we don’t need a fire sale here but we do need to do something to turn the talented players we have into a cohesive unit. That may mean some hard decisions this off season.

 

[Tech Worlds]

I don't know if it would matter. This team is so poorly coached that even with the best roster in the league they would still make the same mistakes.

 

[HOF Hater]

I don't know if it would matter. This team is so poorly coached that even with the best roster in the league they would still make the same mistakes.

We don't have a good roster to begin with so even the greatest coaching couldn't save it

 

[bigskydoc]

We just saw what a DK less offense looks like. If we want to tank for a good draft position, trading just him away should do it.

 

[hox]

We just saw what a DK less offense looks like. If we want to tank for a good draft position, trading jusy him away should do it.

Yes we need a player who can command double teams, but the sad thing is that the Bills weren't really even loading the box. We couldn't even run against them with light boxes. Constantly getting stuffed at the point of attack.

 

[warden]

Trading away everything and starting over and becoming a contender in a few years is an extremely hard thing to pull off. Just ask the Texans, Browns, Jets, Raiders, the Giants, the Chargers, the Colts, The Broncos, the Titans, the Panthers, the Falcons, the Cardinals.

 

[Dallashawksfan]

So far this year the Seahawks in every aspect (outside of O-line) have looked like the #1 and the #32 team in the NFL...and the year is fresh. We have no clue which team is showing up next week, no changes!

#1? Maybe for 5 minutes

 

[Maelstrom787]

Yes we need a player who can command double teams, but the sad thing is that the Bills weren't really even loading the box. We couldn't even run against them with light boxes. Constantly getting stuffed at the point of attack.

This offense is the easiest matchup any defensive coordinator could ever hope for in terms of gameplanning.

We're one-dimensional before the game even starts

 

[AROS]

Watching the Rams with Kupp and Puka shredding our defense all game long next Sunday? Hard pass. I'll go find other things to do with my time that doesn't involve throwing things at my TV for 3 hours.

 

[KinesProf]

I do understand the logic behind the argument in favour of trading players of value for draft picks; but I don't agree with it. Teams tend to find success by displaying patience upon the arrival of a new coaching staff, and allowing time for the talent and coaching to merge.

Dan Campbell's first year with the Lions, they went 3-13-1 with good core pieces such as Goff, St Brown, Decker, Ragnow, Sewell, McNeill, and Melifonwu. In Campbell's 2nd season they got to 9-8 with those pieces + the additions of Hutchinson, Jameson Williams, Kerby Joseph, Anzalone....Patience.

Kyle Shanahan's first season with the 49ers was in 2017, they proceeded to go 6-10, 4-12, 13-3, 6-10 in his first 4 seasons there. This stuff takes time, but during those down seasons, and one up season, they didn't throw the baby out with the bath water by trading away good players such as Kittle, Juszczyk, Aiyuk, Deebo, T Williams, Jennings, Bosa Warner, Greenlaw. They believed in their talent and what they were building.

Yes, the 49ers did make the Deforest Buckner trade; which was justifiable given the salary considerations, but turning Buckner into Kinlaw is an example of how difficult it can be to add comparable talent in exchange for the talent that you traded away. The Titans AJ Brown - Traylon Burks swap is another example. I'd argue that the Vikings Diggs-Jefferson swap is more the exception than the rule with how that typically goes.

The Seahawks are in a place right now where their individual talents are significantly better than the product that they are putting on the field. There is a lot of talented players on this roster, it all has just yet to merge with the coaching yet 8 games in. 8 games. An cursory understanding of football is an understanding that time goes into program building. Rarely do things get into full gear in one offseason anywhere.

Ultimately, it could come to be that Mike Mac is the fairly common high-end Coordinator that isn't cut out to be the main guy, and that Grubb/Huff aren't actually NFL-level coaches. But I encourage patience, and more than one offseason to see what it is, before trading away the talent. Let 'em all grow together to see what's what beyond 8 weeks of football.

 

[Chukarhawk]

Watching the Rams with Kupp and Puka shredding our defense all game long next Sunday? Hard pass. I'll go find other things to do with my time that doesn't involve throwing things at my TV for 3 hours.

yeah, I'm going to pass as well. Not worth my time at this point. I think things start to turn around a bit after the bye.

 

[AgentDib]

Tyler literally took a big pay cut just to stay in seattle. That would be pretty cold blooded to trade him unless he was on board with it.

The deal was a rework to delay cap hits from 2024 to 2025. Tyler had $34m in non-guaranteed dollars remaining, and the new deal is coincidentally also for $34m in base pay + incentives, with $13m of that now guaranteed. The downside is that his cap hit will now be $31m next year and $14m dead cap if we release him. Not a pay cut, and not a long-term roster building move.

 

[AROS]

I do understand the logic behind the argument in favour of trading players of value for draft picks; but I don't agree with it. Teams tend to find success by displaying patience upon the arrival of a new coaching staff, and allowing time for the talent and coaching to merge.

Dan Campbell's first year with the Lions, they went 3-13-1 with good core pieces such as Goff, St Brown, Decker, Ragnow, Sewell, McNeill, and Melifonwu. In Campbell's 2nd season they got to 9-8 with those pieces + the additions of Hutchinson, Jameson Williams, Kerby Joseph, Anzalone....Patience.

Kyle Shanahan's first season with the 49ers was in 2017, they proceeded to go 6-10, 4-12, 13-3, 6-10 in his first 4 seasons there. This stuff takes time, but during those down seasons, and one up season, they didn't throw the baby out with the bath water by trading away good players such as Kittle, Juszczyk, Aiyuk, Deebo, T Williams, Jennings, Bosa Warner, Greenlaw. They believed in their talent and what they were building.

Yes, the 49ers did make the Deforest Buckner trade; which was justifiable given the salary considerations, but turning Buckner into Kinlaw is an example of how difficult it can be to add comparable talent in exchange for the talent that you traded away. The Titans AJ Brown - Traylon Burks swap is another example. I'd argue that the Vikings Diggs-Jefferson swap is more the exception than the rule with how that typically goes.

The Seahawks are in a place right now where their individual talents are significantly better than the product that they are putting on the field. There is a lot of talented players on this roster, it all has just yet to merge with the coaching yet 8 games in. 8 games. An cursory understanding of football is an understanding that time goes into program building. Rarely do things get into full gear in one offseason anywhere.

Ultimately, it could come to be that Mike Mac is the fairly common high-end Coordinator that isn't cut out to be the main guy, and that Grubb/Huff aren't actually NFL-level coaches. But I encourage patience, and more than one offseason to see what it is, before trading away the talent. Let 'em all grow together to see what's what beyond 8 weeks of football.

Another excellent post. This is precisely where I am at. Give Mike time, people. Rome wasn't built in a day.

 

[CallMeADawg]

Another excellent post. This is precisely where I am at. Give Mike time, people. Rome wasn't built in a day.

Exactly!

 

[flv2]

Watching the Rams with Kupp and Puka shredding our defense all game long next Sunday? Hard pass. I'll go find other things to do with my time that doesn't involve throwing things at my TV for 3 hours.

Well now i'm sad. I was hoping you'd predict a Seahawks win and 'book it'. The Rams are currently only a small favourite for the game. Before last Sunday the Seahawks were a 3 point favourite.

 

[flv2]

The deal was a rework to delay cap hits from 2024 to 2025. Tyler had $34m in non-guaranteed dollars remaining, and the new deal is coincidentally also for $34m in base pay + incentives, with $13m of that now guaranteed. The downside is that his cap hit will now be $31m next year and $14m dead cap if we release him. Not a pay cut, and not a long-term roster building move.

It was a pay cut. Lockett was due $17.95M this season. That figure would have been fully guaranteed as of Week 1. If he hadn't agreed to a pay cut he would likely have been cut. Instead of $17.95M he agreed to $12.666M plus up to $4M in performance bonuses for catches, yards, and TDs that would be difficult to achieve. A sensible deal for both parties.