I think I’m starting to believe in Geno

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First off, I’m not blue scholars geologic just a huge fan when I signed up.

The first two years of geno smith should have convinced me. I always thought he was Alex smith. A guy who is cerebral high football iq who can run occasionally. (49ers 2012 nfc divisional with Alex smith running) But nothing special physically. But man Geno can put the spin on the ball this year. Maybe he’s an upgrade to Alex smith.

I’m starting to believe with his attitude to demand better. I don’t know. Just an old Seahawks fan wishing the best and hoping for a qb more than Alex smith. Alex smith can win a Super Bowl but he needs a more talented roster than this. Can Geno smith elevate the Seahawks to superbowl contenders? I’m waiting on that 49ers TNF game.

Dude is more physically gifted than I thought he’s faster than I thought.

edit: I was thinking of the 49ers vs Saints NFC Divisional
 
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He's played this well before. Early 2022 he was in the conversation for MVP. He just needs to continue to be consistent. But yeah, Seahawks offense looks really potent with him at the helm this year so far
 
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He's played this well before. Early 2022 he was in the conversation for MVP. He just needs to continue to be consistent. But yeah, Seahawks offense looks really potent with him at the helm this year so far
Thats the thing, I always assumed he was a bridge QB like Alex Smith.... im probably right hes a bridge QB but holy shit his spin on those balls and his running is kind of insane for his age
 

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Thats the thing, I always assumed he was a bridge QB like Alex Smith.... im probably right hes a bridge QB but holy shit his spin on those balls and his running is kind of insane for his age
Bridge to what though? For every CJ Stroud there is a Bryce Young, for every Jayden Daniels there is a Bo Nix. He is good enough to win a superbowl. Hell Garoppolo almost won a superbowl!
 

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I'm guessing Mike McDonald will make a move on the QB position after this season, he was sort of locked in on Geno this year. Sam Howell will have a year in the new system, so Geno will be much more redundant in 2025, especially with his enormous pay day.

I'm thinking the new coach wants a younger, faster, and more versatile QB in the future. Plus, Mike probably wants to have his ideal player at QB, not a hand me down from the Carrol years. Holmgren picked his QB, Carrol picked his, and I'm sure McDonald will pick one up, soon enough.

Plus, decisions will have to be made on Geno next year. No offense to Geno, but I will be shocked, if they don't cut Geno next year, if he doesn't negotiate a pay cut.
 

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I'm guessing Mike McDonald will make a move on the QB position after this season, he was sort of locked in on Geno this year. Sam Howell will have a year in the new system, so Geno will be much more redundant in 2025, especially with his enormous pay day.

I'm thinking the new coach wants a younger, faster, and more versatile QB in the future. Plus, Mike probably wants to have his ideal player at QB, not a hand me down from the Carrol years. Holmgren picked his QB, Carrol picked his, and I'm sure McDonald will pick one up, soon enough.

Plus, decisions will have to be made on Geno next year. No offense to Geno, but I will be shocked, if they don't cut Geno next year, if he doesn't negotiate a pay cut.
Not likely going to be the case, Geno has a contract that pays him pennies on the dollar compared to most QB's in the league. He's not going to be asked to take a "pay cut", that isn't how restructuring works anyhow.

Geno is most likely going to threaten a holdout for higher pay, based on some of his comments. He still has a year left on his contract, but he's likely going to be seeking a more lucrative extension more inline with guys like Kirk Cousins.

The question becomes, what is his value to the Seahawks at the moment? Are we looking at a successor or is Geno Schneiders guy? He represents a value proposition, but the real question becomes, is he worth a huge portion of the salary cap. I'd argue no QB really is at the moment, but on the other hand -- there is not much more that you can do. With the current state of affairs in the NFL, defense is reigning supreme.

Rookies are struggling and even superstars such as Mahomes are coming back down to earth. It's no longer good enough to be an athlete. It isn't like 2017-2019 where finding a rookie QB to come fill in automatically leads to stardom.

I'd argue Schneider is going to be stuck with Geno Smith if he cares about job security.

Geno does have his flaws, I for one think people are overhyping him. He's not an MVP candidate right now, I think the rhetoric surrounding Geno is absurd in both directions. Either people think he's the dude from the Jets or that he's the savior of the franchise that can do no wrong.

In reality, Geno Smith is a solid QB in a league that is going through a serious drought of solid QB play. I think he's solidified himself as a top 10 QB and you cannot just get rid of those guys with no recourse. The grass aint always greener on the other side.
 
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Not likely going to be the case, Geno has a contract that pays him pennies on the dollar compared to most QB's in the league. He's not going to be asked to take a "pay cut", that isn't how restructuring works anyhow.

Geno is most likely going to threaten a holdout for higher pay, based on some of his comments. He still has a year left on his contract, but he's likely going to be seeking a more lucrative extension more inline with guys like Kirk Cousins.

The question becomes, what is his value to the Seahawks at the moment? Are we looking at a successor or is Geno Schneiders guy? He represents a value proposition, but the real question becomes, is he worth a huge portion of the salary cap. I'd argue no QB really is at the moment, but on the other hand -- there is not much more that you can do. With the current state of affairs in the NFL, defense is reigning supreme.

Rookies are struggling and even superstars such as Mahomes are coming back down to earth. It's no longer good enough to be an athlete. It isn't like 2017-2019 where finding a rookie QB to come fill in automatically leads to stardom.

I'd argue Schneider is going to be stuck with Geno Smith if he cares about job security.

Geno does have his flaws, I for one think people are overhyping him. He's not an MVP candidate right now, I think the rhetoric surrounding Geno is absurd in both directions. Either people think he's the dude from the Jets or that he's the savior of the franchise that can do no wrong.

In reality, Geno Smith is a solid QB in a league that is going through a serious drought of solid QB play. I think he's solidified himself as a top 10 QB and you cannot just get rid of those guys with no recourse. The grass aint always greener on the other side.
It's going to come down to how the season goes. If we keep doing well, we make noise in the playoffs, we're likely to want to keep Geno and strike while the iron is hot. If the wheels fall off, we'll be more comfortable moving on, and maybe trying to draft a QB with our pick.

The only issue, from John's perspective, will be that as the season goes and if we keep doing well, he'll have some incentive to try and ink an extension earlier as that might save some cost, but at the risk of not seeing how the season completely plays out.
 

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It's going to come down to how the season goes. If we keep doing well, we make noise in the playoffs, we're likely to want to keep Geno and strike while the iron is hot. If the wheels fall off, we'll be more comfortable moving on, and maybe trying to draft a QB with our pick.

The only issue, from John's perspective, will be that as the season goes and if we keep doing well, he'll have some incentive to try and ink an extension earlier as that might save some cost, but at the risk of not seeing how the season completely plays out.
I don't think that inking him early saves significant amounts of money. There aren't really any huge names up for extension, maybe one you have to watch out for is Darnold, but I think given his history he's not really in play. He's probably going to have to take a heavily incentive laden contract if he continues his level of play like Geno did when he signed an extension.

The NFL market for QB's is already set. Even if Geno Smith has a season exactly like 2023, he's still going to get a fatty contract, possibly like Cousin's got, probably even bigger.
 

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The Grubb offense has really helped him diagnose defenses and get the ball out faster. It's a huge difference maker for him.
 

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I don't think that inking him early saves significant amounts of money. There aren't really any huge names up for extension, maybe one you have to watch out for is Darnold, but I think given his history he's not really in play. He's probably going to have to take a heavily incentive laden contract if he continues his level of play like Geno did when he signed an extension.

The NFL market for QB's is already set. Even if Geno Smith has a season exactly like 2023, he's still going to get a fatty contract, possibly like Cousin's got, probably even bigger.
It's not really about any other QBs signing extensions, you save money by inking a mid-season extension because you aren't bidding against any other teams and Geno doesn't have to worry about how his 2025 campaign looks if he's getting an extension a year early.

Seahawks would be offering something of value (commitment, security, stability) if they extend Geno early. They will expect something of value (lower yearly amount) in return. How much we save is up for debate but whatever extension they give Geno now would be cheaper than any extension they'd be giving him in the offseason if he made his third straight Pro Bowl after leading us to the NFCCG.
 

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I'm guessing Mike McDonald will make a move on the QB position after this season, he was sort of locked in on Geno this year. Sam Howell will have a year in the new system, so Geno will be much more redundant in 2025, especially with his enormous pay day.

I'm thinking the new coach wants a younger, faster, and more versatile QB in the future. Plus, Mike probably wants to have his ideal player at QB, not a hand me down from the Carrol years. Holmgren picked his QB, Carrol picked his, and I'm sure McDonald will pick one up, soon enough.

Plus, decisions will have to be made on Geno next year. No offense to Geno, but I will be shocked, if they don't cut Geno next year, if he doesn't negotiate a pay cut.
The new coach and OC refer to Geno Smith as 'Elite'.

If he continues to play at anything close to this clip, i think they will be happy to have him continue to do so for as long as he's able. And when he is done, they have the security of knowing they have a kid with potential behind him in Howell.

Should he continue to play at this level for a few more years, to the point he outlasts Howell's patience at being a backup, they have time to find the next franchise guy.

But given their own words in describing him, i doubt they use adj like 'elite' casually. Doing so with intention kind of telegraphs where they stand from a finance perspective as well and says to me that they consider him a player worth extending. I doubt they intend to throw league high $ at him, but assuming he continues his play in THIS offense and under THIS coordinator, i can see them easily considerong him wirth top 7 to 10 money.
 

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I'm thinking the new coach wants a younger, faster, and more versatile QB in the future. Plus, Mike probably wants to have his ideal player at QB, not a hand me down from the Carrol years.

What evidence do you have to support these claims? Do you have anything at all beyond "I wish this were true, so I'm just going to state it as if it were"?

As @keasley45 just pointed out, so far there appears to be evidence of exactly the opposite of what you've stated. That is, there's some evidence that not only Macdonald, but also his offensive coördinator, are very pleased with Smith's speed and versatility and are not at all worried about his age.
 

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What evidence do you have to support these claims? Do you have anything at all beyond "I wish this were true, so I'm just going to state it as if it were"?

As @keasley45 just pointed out, so far there appears to be evidence of exactly the opposite of what you've stated. That is, there's some evidence that not only Macdonald, but also his offensive coördinator, are very pleased with Smith's speed and versatility and are not at all worried about his age.
Most coaches won't out right put their players on blast, even if they're not doing well. It's tough to ascertain anything from random press conferences, unless it's dudes with no filter, such as Sean Payton. You could tell from day one that he didn't like Wilson. Most coaches play the game.

Now, that being said, I think that MacDonald is happy with Smith. He's clearly a top 10 QB right now, anyone that says otherwise at this point is delusional. Would it be cool to be younger? Absolutely, is that an option right now? Not really. Smith is what we have and he's done nothing of reprimand. Could he be better in the endzone? Absolutely, could he cut down on turnovers? Sure. That being said, objectively he's played good ball this year. He's not an issue for us right now. I'd love for him to be better in the redzone, he's not been great here, but even still, he's playing great ball right now. He's not replacement level. Is he worth the pay day he's about to get? HELL NO, but I don't know if any QB is. would I hesitate to spend a sizable portion of the salary cap on him, yep. Does Seattle have a choice at this point in juncture? Nope.

Geno is a top 10 player, warts and all, and let me tell you, he does have problems. People are hyping him up around here to an unreasonable degree, but you know what? The haters are even more invalid. I'm probably one of the most pessimistic assholes in here, but even I can see that the guy has earned a spot as a top 10 passer, maybe even much higher than that. He has issues, but so do most passers, each person has things they excel at. His redzone performance even in his reassurance has been less than stellar, but even so Geno gives the team a chance, and that is all you can ask for in the NFL.

Is he ever going to be a Mahomes figure? Probably not, but few are. He sure is not lightning in a bottle, but only the elite of the elite are. I wish we could have Manning, Brady, Mahomes, Brees and whoever else. People are deluded in thinking that those players are going to come. They’re generational players, you need the right environment and a lot of luck for even the best to reach their potential.

Geno isn’t that, he’s a normal, rank and file above average QB and there is value in that. He’s a good leader and he’s pretty much what Hasselbeck was for us in the mid 2000s, which isn’t a bad thing.
 
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It’s early but I’m more a believer than I have been with Grubb here now. His advanced metrics last year were pretty good but he still seemed slightly overrated by some in here. This year seems different tho and I think Waldron to Grubb was a massive upgrade and he fits with Geno better.

He’s had stretches of greatness and then stretches of being really average. He just needs to be more consistent and the sky is the limit.
 

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I've definitely upgraded my opinion of Geno this year. I've always felt he had all you needed in terms of arm talent. I was a little less confident in him in the more pressure situations, red zone, third and passing situations, how he might perform in a playoff situation. If they can extend him a few years at a decent price (ie, don't bid against ourselves with him), I'd do it.

Where I've most upgraded Geno is in how I view him in the context of the future of the team. I feel less hurried and worried about finding our younger QBOTF. I still think that's a need, but not as urgent as I felt before about it. We don't have to be throwing draft capital away in a more desperate effort to move up in the draft for a QB. I feel JS can be more patient about it now, wait for the right opportunity to strike in the draft.
 

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