Hallmarks of a bad coach

[TwistedHusky]

1. Excessive penalties
2. Poor redzone scoring production
3. Poor 3rd down conversion %
4. Subpar clock management
5. Blames players for poorly implemented strategy and tactics (ie bad playcalling)
6. Teams seem to make mistakes constantly that derail successes
7. Teams seem poorly prepared
8. Tactics and strategy tend to disregard strengths or weaknesses (of the team and the opponent). The other version of this is that tactics and strategy seem unaligned with the strengths & weaknesses of the existing roster or the opponent roster.

Not all of these are problems for our current HC, but many of them are.

We will see what happens as we fix issues with our roster next year. But this year seems over already given some of the issues above.

 

[Chapow]

After the apple cup I said I thought this looked like a very poorly coached team. That still looks like the case to me.

 

[TwistedHusky]

That was my feeling/fear too.
It might be a few years, if not more, before the Huskies are relevant again.

His team seems to have many of the issues listed.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I legit went into this season expecting them to win 7 games, 8 if things fell correctly. Literally a brand-new team, new conference etc.
Can't stand losing, but I'm not surprised they are struggling.

 

[fire_marshall_bill]

It has been underwhelming so far. They should be 5-2 or 6-1.

Fisch is a good coach. I think the comparisons to Lambright and freaking Ty are premature. People still whine about how DeBored is gone, and better, and how the administration bungled that. I think he was leaving, even if they offered him $13,000,000 at first. Plus he lost to Vanderbilt...

If they're 3-4 and getting pounded by Purdue in a year, then egg on Bill's face I guess.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Screw deFRAUD, sincerely

 

[TwistedHusky]

Today's game is a good example of a good coach vs a subpar coach.
It also debunks the stupid 'needs to get his guys in argument' that defenders of subpar coaches love to cling to.
Regardless of what UW lost, Indiana has far less talent on the roster than UW - but Cignetti is likely a much much better coach than Jud.

 

[IndyHawk]

Today's game is a good example of a good coach vs a subpar coach.
It also debunks the stupid 'needs to get his guys in argument' that defenders of subpar coaches love to cling to.
Regardless of what UW lost, Indiana has far less talent on the roster than UW - but Cignetti is likely a much much better coach than Jud.

Cignetti would not be doing any better coming into the UW job for this season.
I don't know what you expected rising from the ashes.

 

[Ostatehawk]

Im no UW fan - but you had to know it was going to be a rough year. UW lost what percentage of their starting talent? 50% or more?

Lomg run they will be fine - and I think Fisch will as well.

Now your former coach might well be in jeopardy at Bama if he drops three games this year - which not only possible - but pretty likely. I'm sure that breaks no husky hearts.

 

[Chapow]

Cignetti would not be doing any better coming into the UW job for this season.
I don't know what you expected rising from the ashes.

This team could very well have been 6-1 with better coaching. An unbelievable amount of mistakes, and a straight up bat shit insane amount of penalties were massive factors in both the WSU and Rutgers losses. Basically, wildly undisciplined play cost this team 2 wins. That's on coaching.

 

[Chapow]

Im no UW fan - but you had to know it was going to be a rough year. UW lost what percentage of their starting talent? 50% or more?

Lomg run they will be fine - and I think Fisch will as well.

Now your former coach might well be in jeopardy at Bama if he drops three games this year - which not only possible - but pretty likely. I'm sure that breaks no husky hearts.

They lost 20 out of 22 starters between the offense and the defense. That said, did you watch the WSU and Rutgers games? They had no business losing either of those games. They couldn't get out of their own way. The amount of mistakes and penalties in those games was mind boggling. I've never seen a team play more undisciplined football than UW did against WSU this year. 16 penalties for 135 yards. They out gained Rutgers by over 220 yards and somehow found a way to lose.

I get that a lot of UW fans are super butthurt at DeBoer for not passing up an opportunity of a lifetime, but I'd bet my house that this team, with these exact players, would have been 6-1 if he was still the coach.

 

[TwistedHusky]

Yep.
DeBoer likely would do much better with this team.
We have 2 more years of Jub regardless, but the team is trending down.

(I am still Butthurt that we drove off Grubb, betting given the chance he'd have a better record with this team too. I predict DeBoer will be driven out of Bama in a year or two, Riley will be fired from USC, and USC will pick up Kalen to turn USC into a perennial conference winner.)

I would guess that if the UW had Cignetti right now? They'd be doing better (in fairness, I think Cignetti has many hallmarks of an exceptional coach. But then again, any coach who says 'breaking their will' when asked what he wants to see his team do to an opponent? I'd probably be biased for.)

Right now, this UW team looks to be a conference doormat. It falls apart in the 4th quarter, if not the 2nd half. We seem worse than teams like WSU and freaking Rutgers, much less teams like Iowa and Indiana. Say what you want about giving the guy time, but he sure looks closer to Ty than Don James. Not even sure he is on Lambright's level. But we'll see.

When you start turning the game off in the 4th quarter because you know the other team will start scoring and the Huskies will fall apart - probably not much room for hope for next year. (I expect more excuses however).

Maybe whatshisname will turn it around. But it feels like we will be in the bottom third of the conference while he is the coach.

 

[IndyHawk]

This team could very well have been 6-1 with better coaching. An unbelievable amount of mistakes, and a straight up bat shit insane amount of penalties were massive factors in both the WSU and Rutgers losses. Basically, wildly undisciplined play cost this team 2 wins. That's on coaching.

New players/starters to a system make mistakes, your overlooking things.
What coach comes into that situation and everything goes well?
This is college not the NFL.

 

[TwistedHusky]

Maybe a coach with more than 1 single 10+ win season?

Maybe at least a coach with an above .500 coaching record?

 

[Chapow]

New players/starters to a system make mistakes, your overlooking things.
What coach comes into that situation and everything goes well?
This is college not the NFL.

It's football. There are always mistakes and penalties. I totally understand that and I'm not expecting perfection. What we've seen from this team, this season, is on a whole different level though.

New coaches, players, systems, etc. is very common in college football, but it usually doesn't result in this much of a shitshow unless it's just a very poorly coached team.

 

[Chapow]

New players/starters to a system make mistakes, your overlooking things.
What coach comes into that situation and everything goes well?
This is college not the NFL.

2 years ago we saw DeBoer take a 4-8 team and turn them into an 11-2 team. New coaches, new system, new players at key positions. DeBoer had never even coached at a power 5 conference level before.

New players is a very poor excuse for 16 penalties in a game or for putting up over 520 yards and out gaining a mediocre opponent by 220 yards and still making so many mistakes that you find a way to lose.

 

[TwistedHusky]

The thing about coaching is, it's a zero-sum game. It isn't enough to be 'good'. You have to be better than the coach on the other sideline (or box).


We are getting a picture of whatshisname does poorly or seems to struggle with. The question is what does he do well to offset that?
What are his redeemable qualities that make it hard for the opposing coach to overcome that strength? Anything?

 

[SuperSonic67]

2 years ago we saw DeBoer take a 4-8 team and turn them into an 11-2 team. New coaches, new system, new players at key positions. DeBoer had never even coached at a power 5 conference level before.

New players is a very poor excuse for 16 penalties in a game or for putting up over 520 yards and out gaining a mediocre opponent by 220 yards and still making so many mistakes that you find a way to lose.

This…

 

[TwistedHusky]

I am betting Cignetti is a very good coach. Shows all the signs of it.

Look at their schedule. Now look at the Indiana roster.
I don't think it is an accident that Indiana is doing so well, despite all the holes Indiana has in their roster.

Given time, sure, I think Curt will be better. But I don't think coaches have to have a perfect situation and roster to expect success from them.
My concern is that great coaches flash greatness even if not consistently. Not sure I have seen any indication that the Husky coach has shown that.
His greatest success so far seems to be beating Michigan in Husky stadium. Michigan is going to end the year with plenty of losses though. In hindsight, is that really a tremendous accomplishment? Against a team with no effective QB?