Great Qbs under pressure

[keasley45]

Looking pretty ordinary under pressure. The Chiefs and Mahomes should have lost to the Raiders but for a botched snap. He was inaccurate with bodies at his feet.

The Lions and Goff should have lost to the Bears but for their idiot coach. Frazzled just like Mahomes.

 

[Mizak]

Dude has played in 6 straight AFC championships, went to the Super Bowl 4 times, winning three of them. What has Geno done during that timeframe?

 

[Sperrydogg]

Dude has played in 6 straight AFC championships, went to the Super Bowl 4 times, winning three of them. What has Geno done during that timeframe?

Where did that come from??? Everything Keasely said is true

Are you a chiefs fan…. It’s ok you can tell us

You almost made me try to say something good about geno…

 

[Mizak]

Where did that come from??? Everything Keasely said is true

Are you a chiefs fan…. It’s ok you can tell us

You almost made me try to say something good about geno…

Those are facts are they not?

 

[Sperrydogg]

Those are facts are they not?

I mean obviously we all know who won the superbowl last, it just seems like you jumped into left field real quick like, are you mad cause Keasley likes Geno as our QB, so you had to try to turn the conversation away from the point so quickly? Mahomes has looked like the worst version of himself this year and has gotten away with a couple wins this year that shouldn’t have been and the bears game was a similar brain fart to what led to mahomes ducking this loss, so I guess I just thought this thread was about a different idea than how much Geno leaves to desire

 

[Sperrydogg]

Those are facts are they not?

He’s your Mahomie I get it

 

[Mizak]

I mean obviously we all know who won the superbowl last, it just seems like you jumped into left field real quick like, are you mad cause Keasley likes Geno as our QB, so you had to try to turn the conversation away from the point so quickly? Mahomes has looked like the worst version of himself this year and has gotten away with a couple wins this year that shouldn’t have been and the bears game was a similar brain fart that led to mahomes ducking this loss, so I guess I just thought this thread was about a different idea than how much Geno leaves to desire

I mean it’s the regular season for the Chiefs. It looks like they are coasting it, going through the motions. the teams the chiefs play seem to choke for some reason just cuz they Super Bowl champs. Pressure must be really getting to those teams in the last 5 minutes of the game.

the regular season chiefs this year is the same as the regular season chiefs of last year. Only difference is this regular season chiefs are winning their games. And it isn’t even the playoffs. They haven’t even turned on their gear yet.

 

[Sperrydogg]

I mean it’s the regular season for the Chiefs. It looks like they are coasting it, going through the motions. the teams the chiefs play seem to choke for some reason just cuz they Super Bowl champs. Pressure must be really getting to those teams in the last 5 minutes of the game.

the regular season chiefs this year is the same as the regular season chiefs of last year. Only difference is this regular season chiefs are winning their games. And it isn’t even the playoffs. They haven’t even turned on their gear yet.

That’s a scary thought.

 

[DarkVictory23]

I mean, I think it's fair to point out that under pressure, going into this game Mahomes had a lower passer rating than Daniel Jones, and I doubt that'll improve after this game. (Goff, on the other hand, has actually been pretty good under pressure this year, that Bears' game notwithstanding).


As for the Chiefs, I know a lot of people think they are just going to 'turn it on' come the playoffs, but people seem to think Mahomes = the Chiefs when they say 'well, they looked this bad last year'. Yeah, Mahomes wasn't great last year and turned it on in the playoffs.

The Chiefs defense though, was a top 3 defense in the regular season. They are bottom half of the league this year. It's one thing to expect one dude to turn it on after being just 'ok' all year long... it's another to expect an entire side of the ball to do it.

This Chiefs team looks for all the world like last year's Eagles. Their problems are bigger than just their superstar QB just being 'good' instead of great for the second year in a row.

 

[keasley45]

I mean it’s the regular season for the Chiefs. It looks like they are coasting it, going through the motions. the teams the chiefs play seem to choke for some reason just cuz they Super Bowl champs. Pressure must be really getting to those teams in the last 5 minutes of the game.

the regular season chiefs this year is the same as the regular season chiefs of last year. Only difference is this regular season chiefs are winning their games. And it isn’t even the playoffs. They haven’t even turned on their gear yet.

Nah man. No way they repeat .

The Broncos are playing steadier, more reliable ball than the Chiefs. The Bills and Ravens are all around better. I'd even take Russ and the Steelers over the Chiefs, honestly. Any team that plays them physical, can bring pressure and run be ball can beat them. They, like Detroit, have gotten a few wins by sheer luck. Its not going to last.

They dont have the same protection for Mahomes up front and at some point Ried and Patrick have to run out of tricks. In my opinion, their only hioe to make it back at this point is Pacheco giving them something else to lean on.

 

[Seahawks fan]

Dude has played in 6 straight AFC championships, went to the Super Bowl 4 times, winning three of them. What has Geno done during that timeframe?

Different teams & different coaching makes all the difference... I'm not saying Mahomes is trash, but he ain't going to super bowls or even willing them if he's the starting QB for the Hawks the past 3 seasons... that's just facts..

 

[Palmegranite]

... the teams the chiefs play seem to choke for some reason just cuz they Super Bowl champs. Pressure must be really getting to those teams in the last 5 minutes of the game.

Mizak, you are getting to the answer right here.

I call it the "Tiger Woods" affect. Through all of those winning PGA years, his competition "seemed to choke". No kidding! It's sports psychology 101.

It's like, I can't believe we're one play away from beating Mahomes(or Tiger) and the Chiefs, then....next play, whump wah! Complete and utter meltdown.

There may only be 1 or 2 teams/QBs immune to this phenomena.(no, not Josh Allen, hasn't proven bupkis)

i) Detroit Lions: those mother-lovers are reckless and hell-bent and have a crazy f- yeah attitude. And ii) Russell Wilson. He beat the Chiefs last year, we've all seen him excel in 4th quarters for 10 years, pulling lots of rabbits out of his hat.

Otherwise it may take a scandalous Mahomes affair or some drunk driving crash to upset this team's mojo.

 

[DarkVictory23]

Mizak, you are getting to the answer right here.

I call it the "Tiger Woods" affect. Through all of those winning PGA years, his competition "seemed to choke". No kidding! It's sports psychology 101.

It's like, I can't believe we're one play away from beating Mahomes(or Tiger) and the Chiefs, then....next play, wah wah! Complete and utter meltdown.

There may only be 1 or 2 teams/QBs immune to this phenomena.(no, not Josh Allen, hasn't proven bupkis)

i) Detroit Lions: those mother-lovers are reckless and hell-bent and have a crazy f- yeah attitude. And ii) Russell Wilson. He beat the Chiefs last year, we've all seen him excel in 4th quarters for 10 years, pulling lots of rabbits out of his hat.

Otherwise it may take a scandalous Mahomes affair or some drunk driving crash to upset this team's mojo.

I absolutely believe this plays a part of it, but I can't brush aside how often these Chiefs keep allowing bad teams to be 'one play away' from beating Mahomes and the Chiefs.


My personal projection going into this game was that KC was going to continue to win games until week 17, drop 2 straight, end up the 2nd seed and face Denver right after Denver beat them in Week 18 and then get beat again by Denver in the wild card round.

But after back-to-back weeks of struggling with Carolina and Las Vegas... do I actually feel comfortable predicting the Chiefs will beat the Chargers again? Houston? Would I even feel confident that they'll beat the Browns in Cleveland? Not sure about that.

 

[Palmegranite]

Did you see the ending to the recent Broncos - Chiefs game?

Whump wah....

 

[Maulbert]

The Mahomes hate is real. You can't take away his accomplishments just because they struggled against a division rival. That's par for the course. Brady won 6 rings and was good for at least one stupid loss against Miami, Buffalo, and the Jets at least every couple of years. The talent gap isn't THAT wide. What matters is how they play in the clutch. KC lost to both Denver and Vegas last year, and went 11-6 and were the 3 seed, and walked over Buffalo and Baltimore on the road.

Haters gonna hate.

 

[ivotuk]

Mahomes has a 68.4% completion percentage.

In 108 games, he has 238 TDs. A little above 2 TDs (14 points) per game.

The Chiefs hold the record for most consecutive 1 score games won.

They were undefeated for most of the season.

They've played season after season of playoff football, going all the way to February multiple times.

Yet they keep coming back, and they keep winning, against teams that are trying to win their "Superbowl" by beating the Chiefs.

A team that plays much longer than anyone else every year, keeps coming back and beating those "rested" teams in close games.

I find that miraculous, and feel like pointing out flaws in a team/QB that has accomplished that, to be nitpicking.

Mahomes has a ways to go, but he's pressing Tom Brady for the GOAT title. Especially if he succeeds in a 3 Peat.

 

[DarkVictory23]

Did you see the ending to the recent Broncos - Chiefs game?

Whump wah....

I did, part of why I don't have KC as favorites in Denver.

The Mahomes hate is real. You can't take away his accomplishments just because they struggled against a division rival. That's par for the course. Brady won 6 rings and was good for at least one stupid loss against Miami, Buffalo, and the Jets at least every couple of years. The talent gap isn't THAT wide. What matter is how they play in the clutch. KC lost to both Denver and Vegas last year, and went 11-6 and were the 3 seed, and walked over Buffalo and Baltimore on the road.

Haters gonna hate.

Mahomes has struggled against pressure all season, it wasn't just this past game.

It's hilarious that Kirk Herbstreit was going on and on about the Chiefs' offensive line as the problem for that team... meanwhile, that offensive line going into the game had the number one run block win rate, the number 4 pass block win rate, the longest Time-to-Pressure rate of any team in the league, and the lowest run stuff rate in the league.

They actually have been a f'ing elite offensive line but because Mahomes has been so pedestrian when dealing with pressure, all of a sudden, the narrative becomes the offensive line is the problem... meanwhile Mahomes actually holds onto the ball longer than anyone not named Lamar Jackson when under pressure.

Nobody (at least not me) is trying to take away Mahomes accomplishments. (Not sure what that means, honestly.)

Mahomes is a great QB, a first ballot HOFer, and 2022 will go down as an all time season. Last year, Mahomes played like a good QB on a team with a great defense. This year, he's playing like a good QB on a team with a mediocre defense trending downwards.

I'd much rather be the worst 10-1 team of all-time than the best 1-10 team of all-time, but I don't buy the 'we'll just turn it on when it matters' narrative. We saw this play out with the Eagles last year, the Vikings the year before. For some reason, it was perfectly acceptable to point out (on this board even!) that the Eagles and Vikings didn't look as good as their record... so what is the issue with pointing out something similar for the Chiefs?

 

[keasley45]

I did, part of why I don't have KC as favorites in Denver.


Mahomes has struggled against pressure all season, it wasn't just this past game.

It's hilarious that Kirk Herbstreit was going on and on about the Chiefs' offensive line as the problem for that team... meanwhile, that offensive line going into the game had the number one run block win rate, the number 4 pass block win rate, the longest Time-to-Pressure rate of any team in the league, and the lowest run stuff rate in the league.

They actually have been a f'ing elite offensive line but because Mahomes has been so pedestrian when dealing with pressure, all of a sudden, the narrative becomes the offensive line is the problem... meanwhile Mahomes actually holds onto the ball longer than anyone not named Lamar Jackson when under pressure.

Nobody (at least not me) is trying to take away Mahomes accomplishments. (Not sure what that means, honestly.)

Mahomes is a great QB, a first ballot HOFer, and 2022 will go down as an all time season. Last year, Mahomes played like a good QB on a team with a great defense. This year, he's playing like a good QB on a team with a mediocre defense trending downwards.

I'd much rather be the worst 10-1 team of all-time than the best 1-10 team of all-time, but I don't buy the 'we'll just turn it on when it matters' narrative. We saw this play out with the Eagles last year, the Vikings the year before. For some reason, it was perfectly acceptable to point out (on this board even!) that the Eagles and Vikings didn't look as good as their record... so what is the issue with pointing out something similar for the Chiefs?

Agree 100%

Nfl on Sirius had a pretty long segment on the Chiefs and Mahomes and they agree that they are a little bitsmoke and mirrors this year. They arent protecting well and Mahomes isnt the same guy with defenders around him.

Looking forward to seeing them come back to earth.

Them, and the Lions - who NFL also devoted some time to dissecting as not great when the heat gets turned up

 

[toffee]

Agree 100%

Nfl on Sirius had a pretty long segment on the Chiefs and Mahomes and they agree that they are a little bitsmoke and mirrors this year. They arent protecting well and Mahomes isnt the same guy with defenders around him.

Looking forward to seeing them come back to earth.

Them, and the Lions - who NFL also devoted some time to dissecting as not great when the heat gets turned up

Mahome is one lucky SOB. He didn't have experts on Dot Net to keep him honest and didn't have Howell ready to take over.

 

[sc85sis]

Agree 100%

Nfl on Sirius had a pretty long segment on the Chiefs and Mahomes and they agree that they are a little bitsmoke and mirrors this year. They arent protecting well and Mahomes isnt the same guy with defenders around him.

Looking forward to seeing them come back to earth.

Them, and the Lions - who NFL also devoted some time to dissecting as not great when the heat gets turned up

I love Pete, but I do not understand why he and John drafted Dee Eskridge instead of Amon-Ra St. Brown.