Geno wasn’t good this game

[knownone]

When discussing Geno's turnovers, we should correct for volume.

When looking at interception percentage, it's actually only the 10th highest in the league.

This is tied with Brock Purdy and is currently better than Mahomes, Darnold, Love, and Mayfield.

He had a very bad turnover yesterday, and a couple that were at best SLIGHTLY his fault (not the JSN drop, but the pass where Barner got egregiously held).

I don't see a crazy turnover-prone QB right now when comparing him to the rest of the league, honestly. I see a guy who needs some damn help.

This.

Geno had the 5th lowest TWP% heading into the Rams game. The notion that he's turnover-prone is entirely volume-related. He leads the league in INTs because he throws the ball more than anyone.

For perspective, Geno has 43% more passing attempts than the NFL average, or in concrete terms, he's thrown the ball 100 more times than Brock Purdy.

 

[Ozzy]

It’s the timing of Geno’s mistakes that is baffling at times. Brock and Salk had a lengthy discussion about Geno that was fair. 90% of the stuff Geno does is fantastic. The 10%? Is often just backbreaker stuff. Brock made the point that a lot of the mistakes yesterday were stuff a guy 12 years in the league just don’t make. His decision making is often just bad. He also does some really great things at times too like we saw yesterday.

I got demolished and called a hater for saying he’s in the 12-17 range yet I was spot on imo.

The pick with Barner was Geno’s fault. It wasn’t all his fault but he shouldn’t have thrown it even if Barner was held. The only pick that wasn’t his fault was the JSN one.

Not all stats are equal. Mahomes has a ton of picks this year but he has literally zero outside weapons, a bad running game and one aging TE. You know what else he is? The best red zone QB in the league.

 

[Ozzy]

This.

Geno had the 5th lowest TWP% heading into the Rams game. The notion that he's turnover-prone is entirely volume-related. He leads the league in INTs because he throws the ball more than anyone.

For perspective, Geno has 43% more passing attempts than the NFL average, or in concrete terms, he's thrown the ball 100 more times than Brock Purdy.

Sometimes it’s the timing of the bad decisions though. He’s had a few this year that happen at the worse time. You’ll disagree and that’s fine but that’s how I see it. Two picks in the red zone is just not acceptable and heavily outweigh a pick on third down in the 2nd quarter even though when we all look at the “stats” they look the same

 

[Ozzy]

Honestly, I think its a few things:

1. Short fields are just harder to pass on. So much less depth the safeties have to worry about.

2. We haven't been able to rush well in the redzone for years running, and that is absolutely crippling on a short field.

3. Pressure in the redzone is arriving too quickly because defenses don't have to worry about being rushed on and know that they can get quick pressure on a short field with safeties playing up.

All of those things together make red zone operation so, so much harder.

It's clearly not Geno's forte, but I think he'd look better if we could just win on the ground sometimes.

I don’t think Geno processes stuff quickly and that gets amplified in the red zone. It’s not always someone else’s fault by default. I remember a game last year he had two wide open touchdowns in the end zone that he go to late and plays a lot of QBs would’ve seen and hit. A lot of his red zone stuff is flatly on him too.

Your points are valid too but Geno plays just as big a part of his failures down there.

 

[JayhawkMike]

I rip on Geno as much as anyone here, but even I wouldnt necessarily say that he's anti-clutch or "crumbles under pressure" more than the average QB. That being said, there's clearly something going wrong in his head when he reaches the red zone. I'm not sure what to attribute it to, or what can even be done about it. I got eviscerated on here for pointing it out after the Lions game, but it looks like others are seeing that while I might be exhaustingly dramatic and over reactionary, I'm not crazy.

I wonder if there is a stats site that can sort out his record against teams with winning and losing records.

 

[NoGain]

Stats are helpful tools, but they don't tell the whole story.

 

[hawkfan68]

It’s the timing of Geno’s mistakes that is baffling at times. Brock and Salk had a lengthy discussion about Geno that was fair. 90% of the stuff Geno does is fantastic. The 10%? Is often just backbreaker stuff. Brock made the point that a lot of the mistakes yesterday were stuff a guy 12 years in the league just don’t make. His decision making is often just bad. He also does some really great things at times too like we saw yesterday.

I got demolished and called a hater for saying he’s in the 12-17 range yet I was spot on imo.

The pick with Barner was Geno’s fault. It wasn’t all his fault but he shouldn’t have thrown it even if Barner was held. The only pick that wasn’t his fault was the JSN one.

Not all stats are equal. Mahomes has a ton of picks this year but he has literally zero outside weapons, a bad running game and one aging TE. You know what else he is? The best red zone QB in the league.

Great post and spot on. The Seahawks have been terrible in red zone td pct since Geno took over as the #1 QB. The stats are very consistent in that regard during his tenure here. https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct

 

[hawks85]

He needs to improve his mental game. My biggest issue, he took sacks with K9 wide open numerous times. Made some nice throws and a few wtf.

Nah, Nope. I'm done with the Geno experiment. I'm ready to move on. Play the guy til the end of the season and let him walk after that. We need someone else in here.

 

[knownone]

Sometimes it’s the timing of the bad decisions though. He’s had a few this year that happen at the worse time. You’ll disagree and that’s fine but that’s how I see it. Two picks in the red zone is just not acceptable and heavily outweigh a pick on third down in the 2nd quarter even though when we all look at the “stats” they look the same

If you read the thread, you'll notice I don't view either RZ turnover as a bad decision by Geno. I'll have to double-check, but I believe PFF only credited him with one TWP in the game, which is probably why he graded out above average despite having three INTs.

 

[NoGain]

These INT's were thrown on first and second down. That's a key fact. You don't force anything on first down like that. They were both horrible decisions. Two chip shot FG's win the game for us there.

 

[Rat]

Baker Mayfield is so much better than Geno.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Baker Mayfield is so much better than Geno.

Baker Mayfield has also been shittier than Geno in the past.

It's all situation.

Put Baker here and he's crapping himself. Put Geno there and he's got Baker's statline.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

It’s the timing of Geno’s mistakes that is baffling at times. Brock and Salk had a lengthy discussion about Geno that was fair. 90% of the stuff Geno does is fantastic. The 10%? Is often just backbreaker stuff. Brock made the point that a lot of the mistakes yesterday were stuff a guy 12 years in the league just don’t make. His decision making is often just bad. He also does some really great things at times too like we saw yesterday.

I got demolished and called a hater for saying he’s in the 12-17 range yet I was spot on imo.

The pick with Barner was Geno’s fault. It wasn’t all his fault but he shouldn’t have thrown it even if Barner was held. The only pick that wasn’t his fault was the JSN one.

Picks like that get thrown all the time in this league because timing throws just work that way. You're supposed to toss them and trust the guy's there. That's why even the best guys get the occasional "who the heck was he throwing to" pick.

Geno's making 6-8 big boy throws per game that only the league's best players pull off on a regular basis. That only becomes more impressive when you remember who he's playing behind. It's 12-17 results, but he's not a 12-17 QB.

And you know whose struggles are magnified by the red zone? The O-line's. Mahomes has the best middle three in the league in front of him, which the Creed Humphreys truthers here know all too well.

 

[Sperrydogg]

This was the second week in a row that Stafford wasn't sacked a single time, and he was sacked just once the week prior. Not sure how much of that is on their OL, but would sure be nice to see here. You have to go back five games combined for the Rams to match the seven Geno took today alone.

Stafford is smart too he knows how to roll out of pressure before it even starts or maybe it’s play calling but they get him on the move quickly

 

[knownone]

Baker Mayfield is so much better than Geno.

Fun fact: Geno's PFF grade against the Rams is HIGHER than Mayfield's season grade.

 

[FrodosFinger]

Geno is fine sometimes. Maybe even most times, but "fine" is his ceiling. With the way the rest of the NFC is shaping up, this team is gonna need more than "fine" from the QB position.

It’s also his mishaps and poor decision making in the red zone. He’s like a deer in headlights at times. Take a sack instead of throwing a pick 6 it’s still a guaranteed 3 points at minimum but that was potentially a 14 point swing at a crucial moment in the game. The defense played great I thought for the most part

 

[NoGain]

The great majority of QB's I've admired were very smart/clever practitioners, sized up situations on the field fast, and were generally great leaders by example and more. They oozed a confidence that players on the team picked up on. You can already see it in a young Jaden Daniels.

I want one like that. It makes being a fan so much easier.

 

[Ozzy]

Fun fact: Geno's PFF grade against the Rams is HIGHER than Mayfield's season grade.

I still have Baker ranked higher than Geno. The past couple of years Baker has been much better than people expected. Him and Geno have both had cool resurgences from their early career starts.

 

[Ozzy]

Stafford is smart too he knows how to roll out of pressure before it even starts or maybe it’s play calling but they get him on the move quickly

Actually their line has been beat up this year. Stafford is so smooth at avoiding pressure. I felt like our pressure was decent but he did a great job.

 

[knownone]

I still have Baker ranked higher than Geno. The past couple of years Baker has been much better than people expected. Him and Geno have both had cool resurgences from their early career starts.

That's fair. Personally, I think Baker is a fairly limited quarterback whose skill set relies heavily on his supporting cast. For example, he was good in Cleveland when he had an elite O-line and rushing attack, and we're seeing that again in Tampa. However, he was a trainwreck when those things fell apart. I view him like I view Purdy, Goff, and Cousins—an above-average quarterback who, in the right situation, can look like an MVP candidate (but he'll never win it).

Geno's proven he's almost scheme-independent, and I have no idea how to rank him. He looks like Stafford on the Lions or Stroud this season. QBs that have to carry an offense every week without any support.