Cody Barton's snaps are killing this team

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Well, the old adage is: "correlation does not necessarily mean causation."

........... an adage too often overlooked.

As a follow on ............. It takes a team of two gap linemen to make a 3-4 work. Big Al Woods, as the only legit 2 gap lineman on the roster, can't do it all by himself. Sure would be a helpful to have a young Red Bryant and others to rotate onto the field and mix in with one gap linemen.

Add to that, the observation that as one of Pete Carroll's faster teams, this 2022 team can sometimes find itself overwhelmed by a more physical team ... as we just witnessed. Especially in the trenches facing a meaningful Raider running game that includes the use of an effective fullback.

In less than two weeks, a rematch with a talented and physical 49er team will provide even more information. They present an even more talented fullback who will see even more snaps. Speed can be offensively countered with heavy personnel groups. The 49ers have the potential to once again manhandle and sweep the Seahawks in 2022. Aside from that being a huge game with the division leading rival, it should be a very instructive match up for many of us.
 
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Barton has some good side to side quickness and instinct.

But that's where it ends. As a team and defense that relies heavily on it's two main base MLB's, Barton is a liability in the run game, a BIG ONE.

Btw, Brooks isn't absolved in this conversation. He was suppose to replace Bobby as the physical run/hole stuffing monster in the middle of the defense blowing plays up at the line and driving RB's backwards.

Have we seen any of that? Everyone keeps applauding how many tackles he has, but no one's talking about the fact that most of them are 2-3 yards past the line of scrimmage, then getting dragged for another 2-3 yards.
Tackles are an awful statistic for LB defensive ranking.

Also, Seattle is no longer playing a standard 4-3 defense which suits Brooks more IMO.

All I know is the stats clearly show that the less overall snaps Barton is in, the much better the record of the team. I have no idea who or what formations made the difference but they need to go back to it.
 

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Tackles are an awful statistic for LB defensive ranking.

Also, Seattle is no longer playing a standard 4-3 defense which suits Brooks more IMO.

All I know is the stats clearly show that the less overall snaps Barton is in, the much better the record of the team. I have no idea who or what formations made the difference but they need to go back to it.
Whatever formation he can't play in sounds good to me.
 

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What happened to the Seahawks’ run defense versus Josh Jacobs, Raiders? | Film Room - Samuel Gold ....​




....... Interesting review of Raiders game film including rebuff of erroneous blame.
 

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Matty Brown also had more than a few things to say about that final play ........
Cody Barton—seemingly the 2022 defensive scapegoat in Jamal Adams’ absence—received the bulk of the criticism for the walk-off score. That was laughable: the fourth-year linebacker executed his assignment perfectly. And just this week Barton’s recent performances overall received praise from Hurtt and Carroll.

On the Jacobs TD, Seattle was in—without yet getting into the specific terminology of their system—a reduced under front. On the back end, they ran a quarter-quarter-half pass coverage. This placed Barton to the cover 2 side in the weak A-Gap. With Josh Jones playing a deep 1/2 zone over the top of Davante Adams and Tariq Woolen removed from the core by this receiver too, Barton was all alone past the line of scrimmage to this side of the formation. He was the one guy.

Furthermore, even with the fullback going away from Barton, the angle in which the offensive linemen in front of him looked to combo block nose tackle Al Woods before climbing to the linebacker required him to hold in the A-Gap. Barton absolutely had to honor his initial gap assignment. This was a tight run that Jacobs could easily have cut back.

Here is the link to Matty's excellent and rather extensively detailed substack article from which the above quote was posted >>> https://seahawksontape.substack.com/p/the-seahawks-scheme-behind-josh-jacobs?r=12w4ah

There is also a November 22an article entitled "Seahawks Defense Still Learning Fangio System" linked here >>> https://seahawksontape.substack.com/p/seahawks-defense-still-learning-fangio

Both articles are well organized and presented. (y)
 

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Barton may not be the solution, but he's not the problem. Instead, the problem is the DL, which, outside of Al Woods, struggles to win at the point, putting enormous pressure on our undersized linebackers to get off blocks and make tackles. So whether you think it's the scheme, personnel, or whatever, that is a much more glaring issue than Cody Barton.
 

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Barton may not be the solution, but he's not the problem. Instead, the problem is the DL, which, outside of Al Woods, struggles to win at the point, putting enormous pressure on our undersized linebackers to get off blocks and make tackles. So whether you think it's the scheme, personnel, or whatever, that is a much more glaring issue than Cody Barton.
I saw our Interior line lining once again pretty far back from the LOS. I dont know how much of an impact that can have.. but im sure its some.
 
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