Caleb Williams, true heir of Russell Wilson?

[toffee]

7 sacks against the Patriots, from running circles, to hero ball, Caleb is the poor men's Russell Wilson?

Waldron may take the fall, I would love to read Waldron's evaluations on Russ and Caleb.

 

[flv2]

As a #1 overall pick Williams could become a rich man's Russell Wilson. It's early, but I can understand the comparisons. However, I tend to think Williams will improve his accuracy and decision-making.

 

[Cyrus12]

Bust

 

[toffee]

As a #1 overall pick Williams could become a rich man's Russell Wilson. It's early, but I can understand the comparisons. However, I tend to think Williams will improve his accuracy and decision-making.

Freshman Wilson was a Hawaii shirt wearing, mature beyond his age, chips on shoulder dude.

Freshman Caleb is different, when he opened his mouth and said the word 'team', he meant his entourage, not the Bears

 

[NoGain]

I'm a former die-hard Bears fan until the Seahawks became my team the second time I moved out here years ago. The Bears have been looking for their franchise QB for...like forever. They draft Fields as their answer. Nope. Then going towards the bottom of the league, accruing multiple draft picks, patiently waiting to strike, they land the number one pick in the draft, a strong draft for QB's. This was the year. Hell they could have picked two QB's in last year's draft just to make sure.

So they pick Caleb number one in the draft, pretty much the consensus number one QB, while the Commanders pick Jayden at number two, the fast rising talent with eye-popping numbers in his last collegiate season at LSU.

I wonder what Bear fans are thinking now? Sure it's early, and Caleb might well turn into a top shelf QB. But in the meantime, Jayden is looking like a star right now, people even putting him in the MVP conversation, and most already thinking he's only going to get better and better.

You almost have to be a Bears fan, or former Bears fan understand that little sick feeling in their stomachs that they might have picked the wrong guy.

 

[IndyHawk]

@Bear-Hawk
You seem to be in hiding big fellah. Give us some Bear thought.

 

[toffee]

I'm a former die-hard Bears fan until the Seahawks became my team the second time I moved out here years ago. The Bears have been looking for their franchise QB for...like forever. They draft Fields as their answer. Nope. Then going towards the bottom of the league, accruing multiple draft picks, patiently waiting to strike, they land the number one pick in the draft, a strong draft for QB's. This was the year. Hell they could have picked two QB's in last year's draft just to make sure.

So they pick Caleb number one in the draft, pretty much the consensus number one QB, while the Commanders pick Jayden at number two, the fast rising talent with eye-popping numbers in his last collegiate season at LSU.

I wonder what Bear fans are thinking now? Sure it's early, and Caleb might well turn into a top shelf QB. But in the meantime, Jayden is looking like a star right now, people even putting him in the MVP conversation, and most already thinking he's only going to get better and better.

You almost have to be a Bears fan, or former Bears fan understand that little sick feeling in their stomachs that they might have picked the wrong guy.

Caleb was that generation 'can't miss' talent according to, well, all the experts. He was the can't go wrong pick, according to, well, all the experts.

 

[Cyrus12]

Ebeflus and Waldo should be fired tomorrow..

 

[JPatera76]

As a #1 overall pick Williams could become a rich man's Russell Wilson. It's early, but I can understand the comparisons. However, I tend to think Williams will improve his accuracy and decision-making.

I would agreed with this if he was not on the bears

 

[Bear-Hawk]

@Bear-Hawk
You seem to be in hiding big fellah. Give us some Bear thought.

Waldron will be fired this week. I can’t tell you how furious Bears fans are with these coaches. I am one of the minority who want to also fire Poles. It doesn’t matter how many excellent WRs you bring in — Moore, Odunze, Allen — if you have no offensive line, you are doomed.

 

[toffee]

Waldron will be fired this week. I can’t tell you how furious Bears fans are with these coaches. I am one of the minority who want to also fire Poles. It doesn’t matter how many excellent WRs you bring in — Moore, Odunze, Allen — if you have no offensive line, you are doomed.

They can trade for our Olu and Haynes, young talents both.

 

[FrodosFinger]

He’s more of a poor man’s Dak Prescott

 

[CPHawk]

He’s not a leader. You don’t want your team leader writing F Utah on his nails, then going out and losing the game. He’s Jeff George, all the talent but not between the ears.

 

[GemCity]

I'm a former die-hard Bears fan until the Seahawks became my team the second time I moved out here years ago. The Bears have been looking for their franchise QB for...like forever. They draft Fields as their answer. Nope. Then going towards the bottom of the league, accruing multiple draft picks, patiently waiting to strike, they land the number one pick in the draft, a strong draft for QB's. This was the year. Hell they could have picked two QB's in last year's draft just to make sure.

So they pick Caleb number one in the draft, pretty much the consensus number one QB, while the Commanders pick Jayden at number two, the fast rising talent with eye-popping numbers in his last collegiate season at LSU.

I wonder what Bear fans are thinking now? Sure it's early, and Caleb might well turn into a top shelf QB. But in the meantime, Jayden is looking like a star right now, people even putting him in the MVP conversation, and most already thinking he's only going to get better and better.

You almost have to be a Bears fan, or former Bears fan understand that little sick feeling in their stomachs that they might have picked the wrong guy.

They might be thinking the same thing the Panthers are thinking…

“FML”

 

[GemCity]

Waldron will be fired this week. I can’t tell you how furious Bears fans are with these coaches. I am one of the minority who want to also fire Poles. It doesn’t matter how many excellent WRs you bring in — Moore, Odunze, Allen — if you have no offensive line, you are doomed.

Wait a second buddy…the Hawks don’t have an O-line neither and we’re ….

Nm…spot on.

 

[DarkVictory23]

Waldron will be fired this week. I can’t tell you how furious Bears fans are with these coaches. I am one of the minority who want to also fire Poles. It doesn’t matter how many excellent WRs you bring in — Moore, Odunze, Allen — if you have no offensive line, you are doomed.

Yeah, but all signs suggest the Bears offensive line is probably good.

They've been in the top half of ESPN's pass block and run block win rates for the last two seasons and they are #7 in time to pressure this year... and they were #3 last year.

It's your QBs and your offensive play calling.

 

[Bear-Hawk]

Yeah, but all signs suggest the Bears offensive line is probably good.

They've been in the top half of ESPN's pass block and run block win rates for the last two seasons and they are #7 in time to pressure this year... and they were #3 last year.

It's your QBs and your offensive play calling.

LOL The middle of the Bears offensive line has been trash ever since Poles arrived. The center position has been a revolving door of incompetence. Jenkins spends as much time on the injury report as on the field. Poles gave Davis a $30 million contract. He’s been so bad they just cut him. If Poles doesn’t get fired, he will pour free agency and draft picks into the OL.

 

[DarkVictory23]

LOL The middle of the Bears offensive line has been trash ever since Poles arrived. The center position has been a revolving door of incompetence. Jenkins spends as much time on the injury report as on the field. Poles gave Davis a $30 million contract. He’s been so bad they just cut him. If Poles doesn’t get fired, he will pour free agency and draft picks into the OL.

I've seen that they've had some issues with injuries and having to move guys around (I didn't know how bad it was the past few weeks until I saw your post and I looked, though, so points on that. I don't doubt this is a big reason why the Bears have gone 23 drives without a touchdown right now).

However, the fact remains that overall this season the Bears offensive line is putting up above average numbers in: Pocket time, time to pressure, run stuff rate, run block win rate, and pass block win rate. (Grubb would probably have to go see a doctor because it had been lasting for more than 4 hours if he had an offensive line that was able to do that. Right now, the Seahawks are--I believe--bottom 5 in all but 1 of these things... where we are still bottom 10.)

When I watch the video of Caleb Williams' sacks (and there is a LOT of video of that), what stands out is how many of the sacks come from unblocked extra rushers. Is this a line issue? Yeah, kind of and it's probably not helped out by how much rotation of pieces they've had to do. But it's also just as much a scheme and (yes) QB issue.

This is the opposite of what the Seahawks issues have been, as we actually don't allow dudes to get completely unblocked to the QB. The reason why we still have the worst time-to-pressure rate in the NFL is that our guys are just getting so badly beat, so consistently (particularly on the right side).


Bears have an overall protection problem, and the need to play musical chairs because of injuries is certainly not helping with that, but it's not nearly as specific to the offensive line as what the Seahawks are dealing with.

 

[Bear-Hawk]

I've seen that they've had some issues with injuries and having to move guys around (I didn't know how bad it was the past few weeks until I saw your post and I looked, though, so points on that. I don't doubt this is a big reason why the Bears have gone 23 drives without a touchdown right now).

However, the fact remains that overall this season the Bears offensive line is putting up above average numbers in: Pocket time, time to pressure, run stuff rate, run block win rate, and pass block win rate. (Grubb would probably have to go see a doctor because it had been lasting for more than 4 hours if he had an offensive line that was able to do that. Right now, the Seahawks are--I believe--bottom 5 in all but 1 of these things... where we are still bottom 10.)

When I watch the video of Caleb Williams' sacks (and there is a LOT of video of that), what stands out is how many of the sacks come from unblocked extra rushers. Is this a line issue? Yeah, kind of and it's probably not helped out by how much rotation of pieces they've had to do. But it's also just as much a scheme and (yes) QB issue.

This is the opposite of what the Seahawks issues have been, as we actually don't allow dudes to get completely unblocked to the QB. The reason why we still have the worst time-to-pressure rate in the NFL is that our guys are just getting so badly beat, so consistently (particularly on the right side).


Bears have an overall protection problem, and the need to play musical chairs because of injuries is certainly not helping with that, but it's not nearly as specific to the offensive line as what the Seahawks are dealing with.

It’s been a whole combination of things, including Waldron and Williams.

Statistics can be misleading. I base my opinions on watching Bears games, and I watch all of them. Over on the Bears forum these days there is nearly universal agreement even among former Poles worshippers that he fk’d up collecting WRs (Moore, Odunze, Allen) and essentially neglected the offensive line for three years. When doing a rebuild, a GM should begin with solidifying the defensive and offensive lines.

 

[DarkVictory23]

It’s been a whole combination of things, including Waldron and Williams.

Statistics can be misleading. I base my opinions on watching Bears games, and I watch all of them. Over on the Bears forum these days there is nearly universal agreement even among former Poles worshippers that he fk’d up collecting WRs (Moore, Odunze, Allen) and essentially neglected the offensive line for three years. When doing a rebuild, a GM should begin with solidifying the defensive and offensive lines.

I won't pretend to watch as many Bears games as you (I've watched parts of most of their games and probably 2 from beginning to end), and I agree that statistics can be misleading: but it's rare for that many statistics to all be pointing in one direction but the reality be the exact opposite.

I will say though, Bears have been underperforming all those numbers in the last few weeks, so the trend isn't good.