Article on the potential of the new D scheme

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So we ran the 3-4 all 3 times we made it to the supperbowl ?

You're the most delusional individual I've ever come across on the the Internet. I'd suggest seeing a doctor before your shooting rampage.
How you could possibly make an attempt at reading my post and somehow come away thinking it said that eludes me. Genuinely.
 

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And you base a defense if the sam LBer plays a step or two closer to the line its a 3-4 defense ? What do you call it when adams comes up in the box, a 4-6 defense ? Get real.
 

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Our defense last year was not good, certainly hurt my eyes watching them. BUT BUT BUT, our defense averaged 21.5 points a game, including those end of season games when their legs were basically gone after SUFFERING long minutes on the field, helllloooo offense.

Folks 21.5 points a game, no more than three of the conference championship teams!!!!
Rams 21.9 points
9ers 21.5 points
Bengals 22.1 points
Chiefs 21.4 points

Think about that one.

 

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In the modern NFL you need a competent defense and not necessarily an elite defense. The 34 allows more flexibility in terms of coverages, blitzing and also cap savings.

A one gap 34 versus a one gap 43 is not going to be a noticeable difference to an average fan. Seahawks are going to mix 34 and 43 concepts like the Patriots, Rams, Ravens, Bucs, etc all do.
 

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And you base a defense if the sam LBer plays a step or two closer to the line its a 3-4 defense ? What do you call it when adams comes up in the box, a 4-6 defense ? Get real.
That's not at all what was said, and I'm having doubts at this point that you're capable of reading what was actually written.

The 4-3 under used by Seattle previously is notably similar in several principles to a 3-4 style look. Two gapping linemen, and yes, an on-ball SAM. Any 4-3 under defense employing Red Bryant in a big end role OBVIOUSLY is sharing something in principle with hybrid 3-4 defenses.

Furthermore, how about the bear front run has a base package heavily throughout the last 2 years? You think that's a "4-3 stack?" It's not. The SAM is literally an edge defender in that bear base, not an off-ball linebacker.

You're acting like Seattle is saying "oh yeah, yep, base 3-4 with no variation." You're also acting like Seattle has run strictly 4-3 up to this point in the Carroll regime. You're severely mistaken on both counts.
 

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Oh blue, please wake up, you're having a bad dream.

The 3-4 is a bad scheme which won't last long before going back to the tried and true 4-3 stack.

I get the why some might stan over Russ but you might be the first I’ve seen stan over a Defensive Alignment.

But you don’t have to worry cause if you listen, this defense looks like it’s 3-4 in principle but more of amoeba defense with counter schemes. You’ll likely still see a fair amount of 4-3 under.
 

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The difference between a 4-3 and a 3-4 is the number of down linemen, this hybrid you're talking about is a facetious delusion born with in the mind of a gilted fan, with the grandger of being smarter then god.

The sam LBer can line up anywhere he wants if there is 4 down linemen then its a 4-3, this 3-4 hybrid is all in YOUR head. Not mine !

You just like to think you're so smart, but your not,... That or you just like to argue.

4 down line 4-3. 3 down linemen 3-4. Maybe you need to do a recount.
 

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The difference between a 4-3 and a 3-4 is the number of down linemen, this hybrid you're talking about is a facetious delusion born with in the mind of a gilted fan, with the grandger of being smarter then god.

The sam LBer can line up anywhere he wants if there is 4 down linemen then its a 4-3, this 3-4 hybrid is all in YOUR head. Not mine !

You just like to think you're so smart, but your not,... That or you just like to argue.

4 down line 4-3. 3 down linemen 3-4. Maybe you need to do a recount.
Okay, so I think we're getting somewhere. You're visually misunderstanding these alignments, as each have significant variation.

What defense is this? Ignore the assignments. Just look at the alignment.

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4-3 ^ gaps have nothing to do with alignments. Snap out of it... Jeez
It's a 4-3 under, and I specifically said ignore the gap assignments for that exact reason. You'd know if you had read the post. Kind of a recurring theme.

Anyway, what's this, then?
 

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Pete's always run a hybrid. Remember when every Tom, Dick and Harry were qualified as a DC because they knew the word LEO? Pete's D has always revolved around personnel. Some new staff grew up elsewhere, but I predict there will be a lot of pre-snap looks that seem really familiar but are called something slightly different.
 

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It's a 4-3 under, and I specifically said ignore the gap assignments for that exact reason. You'd know if you had read the post. Kind of a recurring theme.

Anyway, what's this, then?
What does a “4-3 under” mean? When I look at that first picture it looks to me like the 5-2 we ran way back in HS.
 

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What does a “4-3 under” mean? When I look at that first picture it looks to me like the 5-2 we ran way back in HS.
It's a little tricky because they look similar - just like the 3-4. Usually have 5 guys at the LOS.

Simply put, I'd suppose for it to be a 5-2 instead of a 4-3, the stand-up SAM backer would be replaced with a bigger down lineman. So DE-DT-NT-DT-DE, rather than Seattle's previous mainstay base 4-3 under LEO-3t-1t-5t-SAM.
 

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Now a 5-2..... If the MLBer turn s 90 degrees towards the TE and the DC waves his hand frantically you a call it a 1 adam 12. :ROFLMAO:
 
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