And in other news... Shane Waldron (fired)

[Torc]

Part of this is that ownership has to double down on the "Caleb Williams is a franchise QB" narrative, or THEY look stupid. This is as much scapegoating as it is an indictment of Waldron.

 

[warden]

Well in Waldrons defense, he went to another team that does not have an offense line

 

[GeekHawk]

Well in Waldrons defense, he went to another team that does not have an offense line

You'd think he would be used to that sort of thing by now.

 

[toffee]

Part of this is that ownership has to double down on the "Caleb Williams is a franchise QB" narrative, or THEY look stupid. This is as much scapegoating as it is an indictment of Waldron.

This 100%.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Part of this is that ownership has to double down on the "Caleb Williams is a franchise QB" narrative, or THEY look stupid. This is as much scapegoating as it is an indictment of Waldron.

It's not scapegoating, there have been a lot of analyst and former players that have been left perplexed by Waldron's play calling and play design. The guy isn't a good play caller, he is quite possibly the worst OC to come from the McVay tree.

Watch Waldron and you'd see a bunch of weird decision making in the playcalls. Plays where all of the routes go to the same small area of the field was a common trend, or plays with no checkdown. Strange calls in short yardage situations, or plays that require the rookie QB to make complicated reads.

Pete Carroll wasn't too happy with Waldron last season either. I saw Carroll get testy with him quite often. Towards the end of the season he had a dejected look on the sideline and was far removed from everyone else. Had Carroll survived last season, Waldron would still be fired. The interview with JSN was telling too.

 

[Maelstrom787]

*Wow*

It was either Russ, Geno, DK, Lockett, or Bellore.

 

[hawkfan68]

Well in Waldrons defense, he went to another team that does not have an offense line

Their OL was better before he showed up. He made them worse.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Their OL was better before he showed up. He made them worse.

I hate to defend Waldron, but Caleb does seem like a royal pain in the ass to block for.

I don't think Waldron knows what to do with those types of QB though. He's not like Bevell, who excels with those types.

 

[knownone]

Waldron was not the issue in Chicago. Williams is just not a very good QB at the moment.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

I'm convinced Williams has talent. Bad scheming can leave a QB with nowhere to go and induce what we're seeing with Williams.

Waldron's replacement had better get in gear quick, because my fantasy team includes DJ Moore.

 

[IndyHawk]

@Bear-Hawk
Good call, How you knew so fast.
Waldo doesn't last a season for the Bears but Pete was gonna run him back out
for a third year?

 

[Jville]

It's a tough business ............. only thru adversity do we learn.



Shane and Meghan and their two daughters-Lainey and Rylee will be just fine.

 

[Aircrew]

 

[toffee]

I hate to defend Waldron, but Caleb does seem like a royal pain in the ass to block for.

I don't think Waldron knows what to do with those types of QB though. He's not like Bevell, who excels with those types.

Come on, Caleb is trying real hard learning to become the second coming of Russell Wilson. Waldron coached the realRyssellWilson, surely he could handle a wannabe?

 

[toffee]

@Bear-Hawk
Good call, How you knew so fast.
Waldo doesn't last a season for the Bears but Pete was gonna run him back out
for a third year?

Now that Waldron is available, can we sign him to replace Grubb?

 

[keasley45]

*Wow*

It was either Russ, Geno, DK, Lockett, or Bellore.

Ok. You have a ProBowl Seahawks player saying Waldron was garbage and that the players in Seattle had little faith in their offensive coaching staff.

What else do you need to hear?

Watch the tape? What else do you need to see?

A bad OC can wreck a QB and turn What overall SHOULD be a higher performing unit (both as a whole and in it's respective parts) into a the mess you have seen in Chicago and before that in Seattle - although in Seattle, with a vwteran QB, it took the length of a season to slowly clamped down on what we were trying to do.

I've been saying it since Russ left and you could actually see what Waldron could do that the dude was lost. And for as much as Grubb has brought over some effective passing schemes, the OVERALL direction of the offense is still a bit of a sh!+ show.

Which is why you can't fairly evaluate the O line when you have had 2 OCs now and their respective o line coaches pit on tape that they aren't up to stuff when it comes to designing a gameplan to help the 5 guys up front.

AND THAT inability throws everything else off the rails.

Fix the coaching and we wont look like we have no talent.

We have talent, but questionable direction. Undisciplined talent can still win you games on occassion, but not reliably. And overall, a team that has talent but poor leadership will look disjointed, uninspired over time, and gradually unravel until you fix the issue.

 

[12AngryHawks]

Now that Waldron is available, can we sign him to replace Grubb?

 

[JayhawkMike]

I didn’t have big issues with Waldron like some here. Everyone seems to pick who they want to blame and I would think a rookie QB would be a likelier culprit than an experienced OC for a poor offense.

 

[flv2]

I think Waldron's passing schemes are awful. I'm ok with his playcalling, (re: run vs pass), and his rushing schemes. However, his passing play designs and their use of RBs is too much to overcome.

 

[bileever]

I always thought that the Waldron hire was made for the purpose of keeping Russell Wilson happy. He had a hand in the hire, if I recall correctly, and even met with him before Waldron was hired.

There was the typical Russell Wilson silliness during his "interview" of Shane Waldron. He made Waldron put on a headset and pretend to call plays.

Winning over Russell Wilson: QB's chemistry with Shane Waldron could determine Seahawks' future

After an offseason of discontent between Wilson and the franchise, the Seahawks brought Waldron over from the Rams to infuse new concepts and change the vibe.

www.espn.com

Of course, it wasn't enough to keep Russ happy.