“We Still Mad”. Bobby Wagner

[fenderbender123]

The secondary was destroyed with injuries that game. I mean, so injured that Sherm, Kam, and Earl shouldn't have even have played. But they did did and the team was still in a position to win, and to waste that opportunity on the worst call ever,,,,,. Yeah, they had every reason to be pissed.

I'm not sure how people want to blame the defense when such a valiant effort was given. Seattle had no right to even be in that game at the end.

I'm not blaming the defense, just saying whether or not they were banged up the defense was not great that game.

If the defense wants to say "we were banged up, so we needed the offense to win", then the offense can say "we had too much pressure on us to win that game". The excuses can go both ways.

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

I don't think the team ever got over it under Pete. I'm hoping with Pete and Wagner gone now and no one left can they can truly turn the page on that and move on.

 

[pittpnthrs]

I'm not blaming the defense, just saying whether or not they were banged up the defense was not great that game.

If the defense wants to say "we were banged up, so we needed the offense to win", then the offense can say "we had too much pressure on us to win that game". The excuses can go both ways.

I understand, but they played as well as they possibly could all things considered. It was good enough that Seattle had a chance to (and should have) won the game. Like I said,,,valiant effort.

 

[Palmegranite]

"We are still mad" really need to get over it.
If there ever was a time to move on, this season is it. New coach, new beginnings, all that.

You don't want to be the ruminators, a-la Buffalo, still thinking about 4 SB losses and wide right.

All that got them was a 17 year playoff drought.
We're better than that.

 

[pmedic920]

Meh, that was almost a lifetime ago for me. I'm not trying to fill my headspace with the outcome of one sporting event.

Not a bad way to look at it, but some of us are in a different place as Seahawk fans.

Not better not worse, just different.

Perspective is what matters I suppose.

 

[strohmin]

A big part of life is just accepting that sometimes... things just don't work out.

We can hindsight it to death, but sometimes everything goes wrong at a single moment in time and you've just got to accept it at some point.

I sure wish it didn't happen, but I'm not angry about it anymore.

Yeah as a fan its easy. As a player who gave everything physically and emotionally and losing because of a stupid decision is 1000x harder to get over. Petes decisions after that loss didnt help either. Id be pissed too if I were in Bobby's position. The only way to not be mad about it is to forget that superbowl ever existed which is another hard thing to do as a player.

 

[hawkpride]

I have always thought a variation of the "Flea Flicker" would have been a great call on that specific day and play.
Russ hands off to Marshawn, who takes a step or two toward the line of scrimmage, off to the left side ME3 is fake blocking towards the left corner of the end zone.
The receivers are heading toward the right end zone. Marshawn floats the ball into ME3 hands in the left corner of the end zone.
Seattle is now World Champs again (2 years in a row), the team celebrates and stays together to win even more Superbowl's, and the Hawks have been named a team of destiny.

Shit, then I wake up....

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

"We are still mad" really need to get over it.
If there ever was a time to move on, this season is it. New coach, new beginnings, all that.

You don't want to be the ruminators, a-la Buffalo, still thinking about 4 SB losses and wide right.

All that got them was a 17 year playoff drought.
We're better than that.

This. Time for new heroes. Nothing worse than dwelling on the past.

My son was a baby/toddler during that, now in middle school. Time flies.

 

[NoGain]

For me personally, it's not so much about dwelling on the past, or not being able to get over it as it is not being able to diminish what a shocking loss it was and the effect it had upon the team in the intervening years. Those will never go away, and they shouldn't. They're historical facts.

 

[GemCity]

It still hurts. IMO, it was the biggest blunder in sports…ever.

IDGAF about the reasoning, the stacked box, plays that worked before.

You have mufu$#* in the backfield, who just so happens to appropriately be nicknamed BeastMode, who would’ve 100% scored. You can debate this until you’re blue in the face…my stance will not and has not changed.

I also believe it was called in an effort to make me3 look like the hero. Deep…that’s very deep. I can’t be told otherwise.

Man…wtf…this topic sucks!!!

 

[pittpnthrs]

I also believe it was called in an effort to make me3 look like the hero. Deep…that’s very deep. I can’t be told otherwise.

I still believe it was a play called out of desperation and panic because Belichick didn't call the timeout and Carroll was clueless as to what to do. He got cute instead of doing the sane thing in hopes of outsmarting BB and it failed miserably. That's my feelings anyway.

Honestly it was Carroll trying to be the smartest guy in the room when he never was.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Sometimes things just go wrong. Other times you bring wrong things on yourself. What happened is the second of those two things.

This isn't as cut-and-dry as its made out to be. That goal line play is still run around the NFL, was successful that year, and even with the perfect storm of things going wrong still was 0.1 seconds away from winning the game.

My point is that it seems obvious in hindsight that the play call was bad, but was it the absolutely indefensible decision that most claim it was? No. If we're considering solely process rather than result, it really was not that bad.

The common suggestion that Seattle should've slammed Marshawn into an 8 man line, however - that'd be awful.

 

[Maelstrom787]

I still believe it was a play called out of desperation and panic because Belichick didn't call the timeout and Carroll was clueless as to what to do. He got cute instead of doing the sane thing in hopes of outsmarting BB and it failed miserably. That's my feelings anyway.

Honestly it was Carroll trying to be the smartest guy in the room when he never was.

"Pass the ball on second down" is hardly panicking, and passing on second was the sane and infinitely more defensible course of action from a situational standpoint.

 

[Maelstrom787]

I'm not sure how you can ignore the FACT that the defense gave up a 10-point lead. Injuries or not, IT HAPPENED. Several things factored into losing that game. Lane getting knocked out too. Avril going out with a concussion, they could just double Bennett the rest of the game. SEVERAL reasons they lost.
And yes, it was stupid call. Had they ran it and got stopped.......THEN threw the pick on 3rd, it would be a completely different outlook.

Well, yeah, it'd be a different outlook but coaches shouldn't coach based off of how fans would feel about the worst possible outcome happening at any given moment.

If they run it on second down into an 8 man box, they're extremely unlikely to convert. They then have to burn their remaining timeout and are then forced to pass it on third down without the threat of a run, because there wouldn't be time to get 2 quality rushing attempts off in 20 seconds without the ability to stop the clock.

 

[GemCity]

I still believe it was a play called out of desperation and panic because Belichick didn't call the timeout and Carroll was clueless as to what to do. He got cute instead of doing the sane thing in hopes of outsmarting BB and it failed miserably. That's my feelings anyway.

Honestly it was Carroll trying to be the smartest guy in the room when he never was.

Could ask be the case. There was animosity amongst the players, including Lynch, as soon as the play was called.

Like…if “WTF” we’re a football play call.

 

[LeveeBreak]

"Pass the ball on second down" is hardly panicking, and passing on second was the sane and infinitely more defensible course of action from a situational standpoint.

Agreed. The odds were in favor of the play called. The CB made an incredible play and Lockette let the ball go to his body rather than a hands catch.

If I remember correctly, it was a audible...and no, I do not subsribe the the ME3 ego for that call. Stacked box provides the opportunity to look for a better option.

Yes, Belichick practiced on stopping that play. That's what good coaches do.

 

[fenderbender123]

I don't buy the idea that it was called in to try and make Russ look like a hero. What exactly does that accomplish for the team, coaches, organization? I can't think of anything. If anything all it does is give Russ a reason to negotiate an even higher salary.

 

[PhxPhin]

I don't buy the russ conspiracy, but it did apparently resonate.

It was an idiotic call because it didn't account for personnel - which was a major Bevell flaw.

What looks good on a board may not make sense in the field.

That play needed Kearse to win a physical matchup against Browner at the goal line - ridiculous ask and one Seattle should have known given what Browner did for Seattle.

Russ needing to throw a which firing timing short route over the middle - not his strength

Lockette, a seldom used receiver that leans on speed and getting down the field, must run and execute a fast precision route out of the slot

Seattle didn't even do anything in personnel to move the NE defense and try to turn anything to their favor

They needed 3 elements executed they led to the weakest part of a players game and not their strengths

 

[GemCity]

Hindsight is 20/20.

I’m not one for arguing it after the fact…it’s easy to justify a position when the outcome has already occurred. But…

They had more than enough time for two runs. 2nd and goal with 26 seconds and a timeout?

Butler made a great play but it was very obvious he would man up on Lockette. Nothing about that play was deceptive from the defensive perspective.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Well, yeah, it'd be a different outlook but coaches shouldn't coach based off of how fans would feel about the worst possible outcome happening at any given moment.

If they run it on second down into an 8 man box, they're extremely unlikely to convert. They then have to burn their remaining timeout and are then forced to pass it on third down without the threat of a run, because there wouldn't be time to get 2 quality rushing attempts off in 20 seconds without the ability to stop the clock.

I never said to run it how I would want it. I just don't believe it was some 100 percent sure thing he would have scored. IF he gets stopped, they have to call timeout and they have to throw it on 3rd and 4th. All I'm saying.