Quick draft questions for the experts.

Bear-Hawk · Dec 1, 2022

Poles first year as GM was 2022, so too soon to know what he’s going to do. He could have drafted Abe Lucas instead of V. Jones in third round, so that’s a miss. But he did get Braxton Jones in 5th who is starting left tackle, so I was happy with that. He upgraded the secondary in the second round with Gordon and Brisker, which was a major problem in 2021 (putting it mildly). He didn’t have a first round pick. Overall, I’d give him a “B” grade for his first year in the job.

If he does trade down, I just hope he doesn’t sell out too cheaply. I’d want a Trey Lance kind of deal to walk away from Anderson/Carter.

Chevy · Dec 1, 2022

Bear-Hawk said:
May I have your permission to copy and paste this on the Bears Forum? There is a crowd of Bears fans over there who want to trade down from #2.

I'm curious to your Bears draft perspective...If the Bears stay at #2, who are your two top prospects that you would want to draft? Or What is your two positions of most need going forward to succeed? If you could have an elite DT like Carter or an elite WR like TCU WR Quinton Johnson...who would you rather have? I'm Guessing Quinton Johnson because he would legitimize/prove your young QB. At #2 there isn't a OL worth being taken that high.

Chevy · Dec 1, 2022

TheLegendOfBoom said:
This is the exact situation I come to hate with Seattle…the interest in trading down…if it works out and the guy they traded down for works out and they got more picks….splendid, however, when it doesn’t work out, man, it’s so costly.

Seattle has passed up on so many good players just to trade down and Seattle got bums instead.

That Seattle’s track record for trading down is pretty subpar.

Sometimes you need to grab that player that all teams grade is possibly the best player in the draft and wouldn’t hesitate to draft him but Seattle gets cute and wants more picks just to have more picks.

Sometimes you just gotta stop with trying to outsmart people, who, are also capable of drafting and developing good players, and just grab the franchise cornerstone that a lot of other teams would run to the podium to select.

But since you asked, I’ll draft Jalen Carter, if he’s available with Seattle’s pick. Assuming, Carter, passes Seattle’s medical examination, etc.

Carter looks to be the 3 Tech/Defensive Tackle/End stalwart Seattle has not had since Cortez Kennedy (possibly Michael Bennett/Brandon Mebane).

Don’t pass on Carter.

Carter is from a proven NFL school and has played on championship teams and very well considered possibly the best lineman to come out of Georgia in the last 3 years.

That’s someone you do not get cute with and risk losing.

Draft Carter the second Seattle is on the clock and Carter is still on the board!

Only problem is...we don't have a 3-tech on current defensive scheme. It's nose tackle and 5i...not 3-tech position. Now the question is will the coaching staff adjust their scheme to fit Carter?

Bear-Hawk · Dec 1, 2022

Chevy said:
I'm curious to your Bears draft perspective...If the Bears stay at #2, who are your two top prospects that you would want to draft? Or What is your two positions of most need going forward to succeed? If you could have an elite DT like Carter or an elite WR like TCU WR Quinton Johnson...who would you rather have? I'm Guessing Quinton Johnson because he would legitimize/prove your young QB. At #2 there isn't a OL worth being taken that high.

I would be surprised if he doesn’t take Anderson or Carter, unless he can get a monster offer to move down. Bears run defense and pass rush is as bad, or worse, than the Seahawks. I see both teams drafting defense in the first round. Bears have Mooney, Claypool, and TE Kmet. The other receivers are all trash in my opinion. They need a true WR1, but will probably wait til second round to try for one. Eberflus was DC for Colts, so I’m sure it pains him to have such a crap defense. He and Poles will work together on the draft.

Whatever happens, Bears and Seahawks will both come out of this draft with a special player or two, and I’ll be a happy camper!

TheLegendOfBoom · Dec 1, 2022

Chevy said:
Only problem is...we don't have a 3-tech on current defensive scheme. It's nose tackle and 5i...not 3-tech position. Now the question is will the coaching staff adjust their scheme to fit Carter?

I think this year will really reevaluate things and a possible move back to 4-3 is entirely possible. Carroll, isn’t happy. Carroll, is 4-3 to his core. We all know that. And yes, if Carter is available, a move back to 4-3 is entirely plausible.

What do they have to lose???

Spohawks · Dec 2, 2022

Draft expert here. The Seahawks are locked and loaded with picks this year, there is no reason to trade down for more picks.

They stay at whatever spot and pick the best player available. If the FO is 100% sold there is a 12 year starter/all pro QB available with that first pick, they won't pass on him.

Maelstrom787 · Dec 2, 2022

TheLegendOfBoom said:
I think this year will really reevaluate things and a possible move back to 4-3 is entirely possible. Carroll, isn’t happy. Carroll, is 4-3 to his core. We all know that. And yes, if Carter is available, a move back to 4-3 is entirely plausible.

What do they have to lose???

Carroll's actually got a ton of 3-4 background. The bear fronts he's gone with in base and his brand of 4-3 being so close to a 3-4 in alignment hint at this.

Going back to USC, Pete ran 3-4/bear stuff with Clay Matthews and Brian Cushing on the edges. He's far from a 4-3 loyalist. His 4-3 was self-described as more 3-4 personnel.

Sgt. Largent · Dec 2, 2022

I think we know it's in John and Pete's nature to trade down to mine more value.

But this has pertained to late 1st and early 2nd when the difference between the #30 player and #40-50 is negligible.

This is not the case when you're drafting in the top 10, or top 5 which it looks like we'll be drafting.

There are 3-4 elite edge/DT's in next year's draft.

Will Anderson
Jalen Carter
Bryan Bresee (sp?)
Myles Murphy

The X-Factor to me is Anthony Richardson, the insanely electric QB from Florida, who's now leapfrogging everyone except Bryce Young to be the 2nd QB taken off the board. He's Lamar Jackson incarnate, so idk what Pete and John think about Richardson, but damn man it'd be hard to pass up if you think he's your QB of the future.

If not? Then we might be able to trade down to grab more picks if we're grading one of the D-lineman as our guy and think he'll still be there late top 10.

TheLegendOfBoom · Dec 2, 2022

Maelstrom787 said:
Carroll's actually got a ton of 3-4 background. The bear fronts he's gone with in base and his brand of 4-3 being so close to a 3-4 in alignment hint at this.

Going back to USC, Pete ran 3-4/bear stuff with Clay Matthews and Brian Cushing on the edges. He's far from a 4-3 loyalist. His 4-3 was self-described as more 3-4 personnel.

Carroll has ran variations and elements of both in his history.

Which is one of the reasons for the “LEO” position. However, if the defensive talent in the draft favor a 4-3 concept over a 3-4 with players fitting more the 4-3 scheme, I think we can see Seattle playing more 4-3 schemes next year.

You work with what you have.

Darrell Taylor has been a huge liability and upset with this 3-4 switch which was he was suppose to thrive in.

You gotta think Carroll is wondering if more 4-3 sets fits the defense as a unit more so.

If Carroll cannot get all he can out of Taylor in a 3-4, a 4-3 base maybe the one they ultimately build their base defense out of cause the run stopping right now in this 3-4 is not working out either.

GemCity · Dec 2, 2022

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Hawkinaz · Dec 2, 2022

Sgt. Largent said:
I think we know it's in John and Pete's nature to trade down to mine more value.

But this has pertained to late 1st and early 2nd when the difference between the #30 player and #40-50 is negligible.

This is not the case when you're drafting in the top 10, or top 5 which it looks like we'll be drafting.

There are 3-4 elite edge/DT's in next year's draft.

Will Anderson
Jalen Carter
Bryan Bresee (sp?)
Myles Murphy

The X-Factor to me is Anthony Richardson, the insanely electric QB from Florida, who's now leapfrogging everyone except Bryce Young to be the 2nd QB taken off the board. He's Lamar Jackson incarnate, so idk what Pete and John think about Richardson, but damn man it'd be hard to pass up if you think he's your QB of the future.

If not? Then we might be able to trade down to grab more picks if we're grading one of the D-lineman as our guy and think he'll still be there late top 10.

Richardson has great physical ability but is a total blank slate between the ears in his last game he looked awful. I wouldn’t consider him before the 3rd rd he does remind me of Malik Willis. Fans will drool over his physical ability especially if he competes at the combine the NFL network will say he’s the best thing since sliced bread but NFL GMs will say “not so fast”

I have seen him play in 6 games and if he doesn’t throw the 1st read he just runs whether he has to or not

Bear-Hawk · Dec 2, 2022

Hawkinaz said:
Richardson has great physical ability but is a total blank slate between the ears in his last game he looked awful. I wouldn’t consider him before the 3rd rd he does remind me of Malik Willis. Fans will drool over his physical ability especially if he competes at the combine the NFL network will say he’s the best thing since sliced bread but NFL GMs will say “not so fast”

I have seen him play in 6 games and if he doesn’t throw the 1st read he just runs whether he has to or not

He’s a developmental project.

Lennie · Dec 4, 2022

After todays game, I’m going defensive tackle all the way.

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