Final 4 teams: All offense oriented

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Not saying we can't win another one with Pete, but you are putting yourself at a disadvantage in today's NFL if your HC doesn't have a background in offense. I think all the teams in the last 3 SBs have had head coaches with a background in offense.
 

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That's alright. Pete's delegated offensive authority to a very capable group of coaches working well together.

I'm particularly looking forward to the growth of sophomore starters. What we used to refer to as an off tackle run game, will make itself known in 2023. It's gonna be awesome.

If ya love the process of growth and development, these are the best of times.
 

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The Hawks haven't had a good defense for 5 consecutive weeks in years. I think we're OK. 😛
 

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Not saying we can't win another one with Pete, but you are putting yourself at a disadvantage in today's NFL if your HC doesn't have a background in offense. I think all the teams in the last 3 SBs have had head coaches with a background in offense.
Incorrect. Defense won all those games.
 

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Not saying we can't win another one with Pete, but you are putting yourself at a disadvantage in today's NFL if your HC doesn't have a background in offense. I think all the teams in the last 3 SBs have had head coaches with a background in offense.
Do you realize that the Eagles are #1 against the pass and also in sacks?
That the 49ers are #2 against the run, the Bills are #4, the Bengals are #5, and the Chiefs are #8?
That the 49ers are #2 in interceptions while the Bills are #4 and the Eagles are #6?

Basically, all 4 teams that remain all have very good defenses.
 

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Not saying we can't win another one with Pete, but you are putting yourself at a disadvantage in today's NFL if your HC doesn't have a background in offense. I think all the teams in the last 3 SBs have had head coaches with a background in offense.


Did you watch any of the games this weekend?

If you're making an argument for what matters, it's certainly not offense, it's Line of Scrimmage. All four remaining teams won the line of scrimmage battle, and imposed their will.

Also all four teams ran for more yards than their opponents. Again, due to be more physical at the LOS.

But I appreciate the thinly veiled Pete Bash.
 

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I will still fault Pete a little. We have failed until this last draft to invest much into the offensive line and it hasn't been a dominant unit for years. But I'm hopeful that has changed moving foward with the two tackles and we will hopefully continue to add more pieces.

Defensive line they've tried they have just been bad at it and had some bad luck. Collier 1st round pick busted, Sheldon Richardson trade didn't work out. Mcdowell, who I don't fault them for because the process was good, never saw the field. Taylor has been really inconsistent but thankfully flashed late in the year. Reed and Fort were decent players but overall I don't think anyone would call our defensive line very good for a long time.

Pete deserves some blame for sure as he's in charge and we haven't been good at either line of scrimmage for years. That's at least partially on him. My guess is Pete while taking a little longer than I would like finally sees the light and this off season will be more resources going towards both lines.
 
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Why is everybody getting their panties in a bunch? I'm simply stating a fact that will be the 4th SB in a row in which BOTH teams have an offensive minded HC. I just find it interesting. Im asking: Is it a coincidence or is there something more to it? I have not been on the fire Pete bandwagon yet, but it is getting a little bit indefensible that his defenses have just sucked for the last five or so years. This is supposed to be his bread and butter.
 

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Why is everybody getting their panties in a bunch? I'm simply stating a fact that will be the 4th SB in a row in which BOTH teams have an offensive minded HC. I just find it interesting. Im asking: Is it a coincidence or is there something more to it? I have not been on the fire Pete bandwagon yet, but it is getting a little bit indefensible that his defenses have just sucked for the last five or so years. This is supposed to be his bread and butter.

Is Pete bad at offense or defense, make up your bad faith incorrect hot take mind.
 

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Why is everybody getting their panties in a bunch? I'm simply stating a fact that will be the 4th SB in a row in which BOTH teams have an offensive minded HC. I just find it interesting. Im asking: Is it a coincidence or is there something more to it? I have not been on the fire Pete bandwagon yet, but it is getting a little bit indefensible that his defenses have just sucked for the last five or so years. This is supposed to be his bread and butter.
Maybe offensive HCs work on finding good, creative DCs and get out of their way and let them assume responsibility and run the defense their way?

While certain defensive head coaches think more cooks in the kitchen is a great idea and end up with mish-mashed schemes that are impossible to coach the players into a semblance of understanding with the resultant piss-poor execution?
 

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Incorrect. Defense won all those games.
True that a great defense can win championships, but a great offense with a decent D gets you there for 10-15 years. Pete is in the range where his brain is slower, trust me when I say, he is not as sharp at making snap decisions since his younger days. It happens to all of us sooner, but we hope later. Pete NEEDS TO GO GO and GO. Keep him around for something, but not as a head coach for 2023-24. It is wasting time, he just will not get the Seahawks to where they need to be. For that matter, sell the team and get rid of Pauls sister. We need someone who is younger, stronger with the ability to do what Paul did for years. I don't trust her at all. I still remember Caroll Rosenbloom, owner of Colts and Rams, when he died and his golddigger wife Georgia Frontiere came in, she destroyed the Rams to the point where they went to St Louis. That is what happens with people who did not earn their spot, like relatives, they leech the program and eventually want to play with the toy"
 

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Not saying we can't win another one with Pete, but you are putting yourself at a disadvantage in today's NFL if your HC doesn't have a background in offense. I think all the teams in the last 3 SBs have had head coaches with a background in offense.
The remaining teams have good offenses, sure, but they won their games with stifling defense. All remaining are tops in defense in one category or the other. In the NFC, i believe its the #1 and 2 units overall.

Teams just dont score on them.

And Cincy's D has been really good of late.
 

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Do you realize that the Eagles are #1 against the pass and also in sacks?
That the 49ers are #2 against the run, the Bills are #4, the Bengals are #5, and the Chiefs are #8?
That the 49ers are #2 in interceptions while the Bills are #4 and the Eagles are #6?

Basically, all 4 teams that remain all have very good defenses.

Gotta agree here. Statistically the remaining 4 teams are all top 10 defenses, two of them are the #1 and #2 defenses. Offense is fun to watch, and you need to score to win games, but when it comes to the playoffs, you are far more likely to win with a strong defense. That hasn't changed.
 

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I was honestly unsure what I would find when I went to look at the data for the last five years, but here it is.

Conference championship games by year

2021-2022
AFC Bengals 27 #7-O, #17-D - Chiefs 24 #4-O, #8-D
NFC Rams 20 #8-O, #15-D - Niners 17 #13-O, #9-D

2020-2021
AFC Chiefs 38 #6-O, #11-D - Bills 24 #2-O, #16-D
NFC Buccaneers 31 #3-O, #8-D - Packers 26 #1-O, #13-D

2019 - 2020
AFC Chiefs 35 #5-O, #7-D - Titans 24 #10-O, #12-D
NFC Niners 37 #2-O, #8-D - Packers 20 #15-O, #9-D

2018 - 2019
AFC Patriots 37 #1-O, #7-D - Chiefs 31 #4-O, #24-D
NFC Rams 26 #2-O, #20-D - Saints 23 #3-O, #14-D

2017-2018
AFC Patriots 24 #2-O, #5-D - Jaguars 20 #5-O, #2-D
NFC Eagles 38 #3-O, #4-D - Vikings 7 #10 O, #1-D


My takeaway, most teams in championship appearances are top 5 offensively. Of the 20 teams appearing in the last 10 Conference Championships, 13 are top 5 offense, only 2 are not top 10.

Defensively, only 4 of the 20 teams were in the top 5 defensively, interestingly all were in the same season (2017-2018). Of the 20 teams, 9 ranked outside the top ten in defense.

Perhaps the old adage of defense wins championships is faltering as the interpretation of the rules change more and more to favor the offense.

If you don't have both a top 10 D and a top 10 O, you may need some help from the officials to make it to the Super Bowl.
 

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I was honestly unsure what I would find when I went to look at the data for the last five years, but here it is.

Conference championship games by year

2021-2022
AFC Bengals 27 #7-O, #17-D - Chiefs 24 #4-O, #8-D
NFC Rams 20 #8-O, #15-D - Niners 17 #13-O, #9-D

2020-2021
AFC Chiefs 38 #6-O, #11-D - Bills 24 #2-O, #16-D
NFC Buccaneers 31 #3-O, #8-D - Packers 26 #1-O, #13-D

2019 - 2020
AFC Chiefs 35 #5-O, #7-D - Titans 24 #10-O, #12-D
NFC Niners 37 #2-O, #8-D - Packers 20 #15-O, #9-D

2018 - 2019
AFC Patriots 37 #1-O, #7-D - Chiefs 31 #4-O, #24-D
NFC Rams 26 #2-O, #20-D - Saints 23 #3-O, #14-D

2017-2018
AFC Patriots 24 #2-O, #5-D - Jaguars 20 #5-O, #2-D
NFC Eagles 38 #3-O, #4-D - Vikings 7 #10 O, #1-D


My takeaway, most teams in championship appearances are top 5 offensively. Of the 20 teams appearing in the last 10 Conference Championships, 13 are top 5 offense, only 2 are not top 10.

Defensively, only 4 of the 20 teams were in the top 5 defensively, interestingly all were in the same season (2017-2018). Of the 20 teams, 9 ranked outside the top ten in defense.

Perhaps the old adage of defense wins championships is faltering as the interpretation of the rules change more and more to favor the offense.

If you don't have both a top 10 D and a top 10 O, you may need some help from the officials to make it to the Super Bowl.
I am curious about where you got the rankings.
 

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I am curious about where you got the rankings.
PFF

The rankings are by scoring. I suppose different metrics might show slightly different rankings, but I would bet they are reasonably close.


 

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