Switching to 3-4 Was a Mistake

[TwistedHusky]

Completely understandable if our people make mistakes because of the new defense.

Guys missing assignments, taking wrong angles, etc.
But the whole reason for the 3-4 is so you can send people from different spots.

This is the most passive 3-4 I have ever seen.

Small wonder we don't get three and outs. We aren't going to get pressure on the QB and will be easy to plan for.

Maybe they are just being conservative while they get the right people in. It might be ugly until those people get here if that is the case. That might be at least a year or more.

 

[FrodosFinger]

We wrap up on our tackles and we’re not having this conversation. We lead the league in yards allowed after contact. Need to wrap up. This is easily fixable

 

[toffee]

We wrap up on our tackles and we’re not having this conversation. We lead the league in yards allowed after contact. Need to wrap up. This is easily fixable

Our tackling issues could be narrowed down to a few players, with Taylor leading the pack.

 

[Fade]

This bland, uninspired, joke of a 3-4 needs to be trashcanned immediately.

All the detriments with none of the benefits. I've yet to see a compelling argument to stick with this. Trying something different for different's sake isn't good enough. They can't get off the field to save their life, they make bad players look like stars, can't stop the run, can't get pressure, no confusing looks on the backend.

There is nothing trending here that makes me think, just give them more time. The scheme is the weakest link I'm seeing, the Seahawks have a lot of good players on defense, they shouldn't look this bad. It's the scheme!

 

[Seattle Person]

This bland, uninspired, joke of a 3-4 needs to be trashcanned immediately.

All the detriments with none of the benefits. I've yet to see a compelling argument to stick with this. Trying something different for different's sake isn't good enough. They can't get off the field to save their life, they make bad players look like stars, can't stop the run, can't get pressure, no confusing looks on the backend.

There is nothing trending here that makes me think, just give them more time. The scheme is the weakest link I'm seeing, the Seahawks have a lot of good players on defense, they shouldn't look this bad. It's the scheme!

Everything you described was the same about the 4-3 defense. I honestly don't care what scheme it is. The players aren't good...We need more talent on defense.

 

[getnasty]

Hate agreeing with Fade because he's typically negative just to be negative but i agree with him here. Maybe we need to stay patience take our lumps this year and then start working on personal issues in the off season but damn this is hard to watch right now.

 

[Rock_the_Hawk]

Hate agreeing with Fade because he's typically negative just to be negative but i agree with him here. Maybe we need to stay patience take our lumps this year and then start working on personal issues in the off season but damn this is hard to watch right now.

Going into this season i expected that the hawks are going to start slow..it might take half the season for the Hawks to start playing well and gelling in this D. Thats ok as long as there is improvement... i saw improvement as a whole but there is way to many negative plays... its just going to take some time and some times thats painful but its going to come around.

 

[Fade]

Everything you described was the same about the 4-3 defense. I honestly don't care what scheme it is. The players aren't good...We need more talent on defense.

Quandre Diggs
Tariq Woolen
Jordyn Brooks
Poona Ford
Al Woods
Uchenna Nwosu

Doesn't translate to one of the worst defenses in the league. They have enough talent to be respectable, instead they are a joke.

 

[Fade]

Hate agreeing with Fade because he's typically negative just to be negative but i agree with him here. Maybe we need to stay patience take our lumps this year and then start working on personal issues in the off season but damn this is hard to watch right now.

My posts have turned negative for a reason. You should've read my stuff back in the day when the org was doing a good job, I used to be much more positive.

In other words I call a ball, a ball, and a strike, a strike. I don't sugar coat.

 

[Rock_the_Hawk]

My posts have turned negative for a reason. You should've read my stuff back in the day when the org was doing a good job, I used to be much more positive.

In other words I call a ball, a ball, and a strike, a strike. I don't sugar coat.

Remind me to by you a doughnut ...lol

 

[morgulon1]

The 34 makes most sense long term because LBs are cheaper than DL (eg franchise tag) and offer more flexibility when bringing pressure or doing fire zone blitzes.

Seattle is on the right track and by mid season the fruits of the investment with the 34 will pay off. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers switched to a 34 as soon as Arians arrived with Bowles. The difference is that Tampa had a talented defensive squad already but they also hit on Shaq via free agency.

Unlike Tampa Bay though Seattle has a better head start with the backend safeties and boundary CBs. What is missing from Seattle is a hell razor/game wrecker in the front seven.

A J. Reed, Clowney or M. Bennett for example.

Nwosu is the closest one to that standard. So, if Taylor or Mafe show up to the party that is when things start to become interesting IMO.

I agree. I said the same thing today , though not as well put. They have to figure out how to disrupt the opposing QB and we'll see much better results.

 

[Dallashawksfan]

I agree with a little weak on coaching but, the guys need to play as a unit. I don't think they are experienced enough together. These guys are talented people and I feel they will adjust and impress us as the season moves on.

If you are talking NFL talent, most of them are in the bottom half. Some are at the bottom

 

[Mick063]

Darrel Taylor is more than just overrated. He is a major liability. He can't set the edge because he routinely charges inside with reckless abandon. As a result, opposing coordiantors are deliberately looking for him in pre snap reads to run wide to his side. He made Cordarrelle Patterson look like Bo Jackson. When engaged by offensive lineman he looks like he is on roller skates. His upper body strength is nonexistent, so he relies entirely upon speed, which does not work because he over runs everything in his path, and it makes him extremely vulnerable to cutbacks. No brains, no instinct, no strength. Just fast. Which means he runs himself out of the play with predictable regularity. His name is never called. He is on the field more than most and his name is NEVER called. Simply put: He does not make plays. Look up "Disappear" in the dictionary and you will see his picture next to it.


He is absolutely the worst player on the front seven. Hands down. The team gave up on the LEO position to keep him on the field? Dumb move.

 

[CalgaryFan05]

If only there was a way or a scheme to put up against the run that put another guy in the box?

Oh ya, there is - it's our old 4-3 scheme. And screw this - I still want bobby back! Waaaaaah.

 

[Hawknballs]

The scheme has nothing to do with the fact that some guys out there look inept and clueless.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Good point. Scheme isn't the reason the tackling is horrific.

 

[Fade]

The scheme has nothing to do with the fact that some guys out there look inept and clueless.

Those same players didn't look inept or clueless last season. What changed?

 

[TwistedHusky]

Putting in a system you don't have players for not ideal.

Even if we plan on filling with new blood, the #s are 1 in 3 draft picks will work out for you. How many drafts to build a cohesive defense?

The biggest frustration with Carroll is this kind of thing. Putting plans in place you cannot execute.
A great idea has no value if you cannot realize it. A plan is the same way, a plan with no way to execute is just a wish.

We didn't have the players for a 3-4. I pointed this out preseason.
We aren't having results with the 3-4. And we have a DC that worked primarily in 4-3 the past few years.
To shift to a 3-4, quickly, would have meant bringing in someone that knows the 3-4 and can build them. We didn't do that.
So not sure why we expect any results here.

The problem is time. It will take several years to build an effective 3-4 starting from this roster. Does Carroll even HAVE several years? Just for the base requirements of an effective 3-4?

What are we doing?

 

[Maelstrom787]

Putting in a system you don't have players for not ideal.

Even if we plan on filling with new blood, the #s are 1 in 3 draft picks will work out for you. How many drafts to build a cohesive defense?

The biggest frustration with Carroll is this kind of thing. Putting plans in place you cannot execute.
A great idea has no value if you cannot realize it. A plan is the same way, a plan with no way to execute is just a wish.

We didn't have the players for a 3-4. I pointed this out preseason.
We aren't having results with the 3-4. And we have a DC that worked primarily in 4-3 the past few years.
To shift to a 3-4, quickly, would have meant bringing in someone that knows the 3-4 and can build them. We didn't do that.
So not sure why we expect any results here.

The problem is time. It will take several years to build an effective 3-4 starting from this roster. Does Carroll even HAVE several years? Just for the base requirements of an effective 3-4?

What are we doing?

They're not running straight 3-4 stuff. It really isn't like they arbitrarily decided to completely switch to a base 3-4. They're just acknowledging that they're prioritizing mixing 3-4 stuff in - which has been obvious for a while, as they literally ran out of a base bear front for two years straight.

 

[TwistedHusky]

Understood. So wouldn't bringing someone in from a 3-4 system to run the defense seem like the reasonable next step?
Ideally, you want someone comfortable in the system to run it, especially if you are pivoting to run your defense in that new system.