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What, are the hawks planning on blitzing Wagner 100% of the time now?

...Cause im cool with that.

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Wow. He's gonna break some fingers with that mask.

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Thats pretty cool. Also a bunch of players, like Bobby, Justin Tuck and DeMarcus Ware, are going to these type of facemasks as it helps keep offensive lineman from grabbing onto them. Provides defensive players a bit more protection.

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I think Ray Lewis was wearing that mask last year...


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Its nice but the facemask needs more bars in the design


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Purple?

Matches Marshawn's mouthpiece.

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Purple?

Matches Marshawn's mouthpiece.



Its the regulated team color . They dont get to choose.


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Purple?

Matches Marshawn's mouthpiece.



Its the regulated team color . They dont get to choose.


Yeah, ok, but it looks purple to me.

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It's royal blue.

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frank gore fun factory, he's going to get pushed right through that thing.


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Whoever's hands those are in the picture. Wearing gloves when weight lifting or doing manual labor wouldn't hurt lol


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"Whoever's hands those are in the picture. Wearing gloves when weight lifting or doing manual labor wouldn't hurt lol"

You got a problem with man hands ? haha, I'm betting there aren't a lot of metrosexuals in the NFL. You can't be that sensitive and go mash people on the field

I love that mask. It channels some Bane.


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Whoever's hands those are in the picture. Wearing gloves when weight lifting or doing manual labor wouldn't hurt lol


Probably from trap bar / dead lift exercises, if I had to guess. I know those always ripped my hands up.


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Purple?

Matches Marshawn's mouthpiece.



Its the regulated team color . They dont get to choose.


Yeah, ok, but it looks purple to me.


That royal blue looks purple under certain kinds of light. remember when Kam unveiled the new uni at that Nike thing and everyone blew up about our new purple uniforms? Out under the stadium lights, it'll be blue.

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Yeah, Ray Lewis wore one like this.

Doesn't it seem like it would be more difficult to see with this on?


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I like it! I remember thinking that grill was badass on a Raven uniform. Heck, it I thought even looked badass on a Cowpoke uniform. It's gonna be smokin' on Wagner! I wonder if anyone else will switch? (I think I'd lose my mind if the whole D-line started wearing them.)

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Think someone made the topic about this in NFL fourm last year,

Was Justin Tuck, and I remember u guys was making fun of it. :roll:


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Doesn't it seem like it would be more difficult to see with this on?

It might seem that way, but really the only definitive blind spots are going to be the horizontal bars. And even those will be moving enough that they really won't get in the way of him seeing whatever he needs to see.

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Think someone made the topic about this in NFL fourm last year,

Was Justin Tuck, and I remember u guys was making fun of it. :roll:

Don't say "u guys", say "sum guys". :roll:

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Think someone made the topic about this in NFL fourm last year,

Was Justin Tuck, and I remember u guys was making fun of it. :roll:

Don't say "u guys", say "sum guys". :roll:



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Looks heavy...

But hey, whatever gives him the confidence to play hard....


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Looks like something that Sub Zero from Mortal Kombat would wear. New nickname maybe?

Finish him!


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New nickname for Wagner - Bane!

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I bet he got tired of getting O-lineman's sweaty, dirty, nasty, funky, pull-jock-out-of-crack fingers in his mouth.

And royal blue or not, the damn thing is purple.

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Think someone made the topic about this in NFL fourm last year,

Was Justin Tuck, and I remember u guys was making fun of it. :roll:


I remember saying Irvin should get one of those type grills and the general response was "he needs to earn it first"
Well I would say after those two rookie campains they both earned it!

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Looks like he welded a Weber grill to the front of his helmet.


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Wagner getting the updated playbook from the new defensive coordinator...

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Wagner getting the updated playbook from the new defensive coordinator...

Ah. I was confused why Bobby was talking to Tom Cable.

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Haha, it does have a Shredder vibe. Makes sense since Bobby is a self-proclaimed Ninja Turtle fanboy.

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Wagner getting the updated playbook from the new defensive coordinator...

Ah. I was confused why Bobby was talking to Tom Cable.

I'm confused as to why Quinn lives inside Cable's belly?

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Think someone made the topic about this in NFL fourm last year,

Was Justin Tuck, and I remember u guys was making fun of it. :roll:


I remember saying Irvin should get one of those type grills and the general response was "he needs to earn it first"
Well I would say after those two rookie campains they both earned it!

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I dig that look in our Middle Linebacker. Looks like Maximus in Gladiator. :P


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It will help him get to 150 tackles this year.

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It will help him get to 150 tackles this year.

Wagner led all NFL players in "impact tackles", which is tackles that are 3 yard gains or less. I'll take that over a high total of downfield tackles any day.

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Hamilton, a former assistant coach at Missouri, says that based on an intensive study of every tackle made by inside linebackers in 2012, there is hard proof that, regardless of what emotional leadership the great Lewis provides the Ravens in Super Bowl XLVII, his actual physical contributions this year are less than average.

On balance, Hamilton and others agree that this game will feature perhaps the best foursome of inside linebackers in Super Bowl history -- Lewis and Dannelle Ellerbe of Baltimore and Patrick Willis and NaVorro Bowman of San Francisco. Despite the NFL's desire to emphasize safety this year, those four will certainly not make anything safe at the Mercedes Benz Superdome Sunday.

However, although Lewis and Willis are widely publicized as the leaders of their respective linebacker units, the reality is that Ellerbe is performing far better than Lewis and Bowman is clearly the best of the entire group going into this game.

Despite widespread celebrations of Lewis' 17-year career and announced retirement, he is by far the least effective linebacker of this Super Bowl group. Of course some of this is a result of Lewis' injury problems. But beyond that, unofficial and capricious statistics incorrectly perpetuated Lewis' profile to more closely match this image -- that of a former two-time NFL Defensive Player of the Year -- rather than the reality.

"The difference between statistics that were reported on Lewis and those I saw on films were often not even close," said Hamilton, who began his research because there is no such thing as official tackle totals in the NFL. "Lewis was credited with tackles when he was 10 yards away and the guy who made the play did not get a tackle. In the postseason alone, Lewis is credited with 13 more tackles than I can find on film."

Working with former linebacker, team executive and television analyst Matt Millen in the NFL Films vaults, Hamilton devised a complex formula to determine the actual effectiveness of inside linebackers. The result is called "Impact Tackles," on which Hamilton has a patent pending. An Impact Tackle must meet these criteria:

--A tackle resulting in a gain of three yards or fewer that does not result in a first down.

--A tackle that prevents a conversion on third or fourth down.

--A tackle for a loss.

--A tackle resulting in a gain of 3 yards or fewer that does not result in a first down

--A tackle that forces a fumble.

The best of several interesting statistics from this measures the average impact tackles per game and average yards gained per tacklem both against the run and the pass. Based on Impact Tackles per game played (not counting games missed due to injury), the Superbackers rated in this order among all NFL inside linebackers:

Bowman, second in NFL), 5.0 yards per game, 2.76-yard average vs. run

Willis, fifth, 4.38 per game, 3.12-yard average vs. run

Ellerbe, 21st, 3.23 per game, 3.32-yard average vs. run

Lewis, 33rd, 2.50 per game, 4.78-yard average vs. run

Hamilton says the most important statistic by far is average Impact Tackle per game.

Millen believes these statistics are especially revealing in terms of how the players approach the game and, ultimately, how much impact they have on it.

"A guy who squares up and takes on blockers and ball carriers directly will have more impact tackles and give up fewer yards, it's just common sense," Millen said. "Lewis has always been productive in terms of tackles, but his style was often as a run-around guy. Yes, he could and did take on people, but that isn't how he plays most the time.

"In this group, you can see in games that Bowman is the guy who takes on people, who squares up, plays downhill, blows things up. He makes things happen. It is just how he plays. Willis can and does play that way a lot, but he sometimes uses his athletic ability to chase a play rather than attack it. The difference could be giving up a yard or two."

Hamilton points out that the statistic on average yards against the run is influenced by how a linebacker is utilized. The most conspicuous example is that of Chicago Bears linebacker Brian Urlacher, whose average of only 1.53 yards per impact tackle is by far the best and less than half the league average of 3.45 yards.

"Urlacher is attacking the line of scrimmage with blitzes more than anybody and by design gets in on plays close to or behind the line of scrimmage" Hamilton explained. "Others play in a more traditional manner and pursue plays rather than attack the line. Obviously they will make more plays a little down the field."

For the curious, the No. 1 Impact Tackler in the NFL in 2012 was Seattle Seahawks rookie Bobby Wagner. He was credited with 161 tackles, including 83 impact tackles (5.19 per game) and his stops were at an average of 3.48 yards against the run.

"He started sort of average but at an early point it was as if the lights went on and he absorbed everything about the game at a rapid rate," Hamilton said. "He had an amazing season. He is going to be tremendous.
Another rookie who did well was Carolina's Luke Keuchley (7th with 4.38 IT per game and 3,12 yards vs. run)."

Hamilton, 25, wants to work in pro personnel for an NFL team and has had recent interviews. Millen, a stickler who appreciates those who work hard and really understand the game, believes Hamilton has good future.

"Great kid, knows the game and works hard," Millen said. "He makes outstanding observations."

With that in mind, Hamilton was asked what he thought about the results of his study in terms of what to expect in the Super Bowl.

"Honestly, I don't know how the Ravens are going to stop the 49ers running game," Hamilton said.

"San Francisco's offensive line is playing great and should make it very hard for the Ravens, and that is not counting the run-option. I mean the power running. The Ravens had some good moments against the run-option with other teams, but the 49ers and Colin Kaepernick run it a little differently and have a really great offensive line. It should be a tough game for the Ravens front seven."

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Okay the graphic designer nerd is coming out in me...

The facemask isn't royal blue but more of a navy blue. Royal blue was the blue of the retro uniform and logo colors. It's brighter. Navy is a deeper shade of blue.

As for the purple, I believe that's more the camera lighting, flash and color manipulation (manually manipulated or not) than anything although the color may have a tinge of purple in it that was enhanced in the flash. Under normal lighting conditions, the face mask color is definitely a dark navy blue.

Okay, back to your regularly scheduled programming. :)

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Okay the graphic designer nerd is coming out in me...

The facemask isn't royal blue but more of a navy blue. Royal blue was the blue of the retro uniform and logo colors. It's brighter. Navy is a deeper shade of blue.

As for the purple, I believe that's more the camera lighting, flash and color manipulation (manually manipulated or not) than anything although the color may have a tinge of purple in it that was enhanced in the flash. Under normal lighting conditions, the face mask color is definitely a dark navy blue.

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It will help him get to 150 tackles this year.

Wagner led all NFL players in "impact tackles", which is tackles that are 3 yard gains or less. I'll take that over a high total of downfield tackles any day.

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For the curious, the No. 1 Impact Tackler in the NFL in 2012 was Seattle Seahawks rookie Bobby Wagner. He was credited with 161 tackles, including 83 impact tackles (5.19 per game) and his stops were at an average of 3.48 yards against the run.

"He started sort of average but at an early point it was as if the lights went on and he absorbed everything about the game at a rapid rate," Hamilton said. "He had an amazing season. He is going to be tremendous.
Another rookie who did well was Carolina's Luke Keuchley (7th with 4.38 IT per game and 3,12 yards vs. run)."

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The Wagner pick by the FO, as amazing as it is, still probably isn't talked about enough. His college tape was impressive - especially his speed and how well he shed blockers - but some credit has to go to Norton and Pete for getting him to play so well so early. After Lofa we were probably a little spoiled with rookie MLBs, but Wagner really had a great season.

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having played MLB it sucks having a guard grab hold of your mask and wrench your neck to the side, as for those asking about visibility, for a MLB it won't make much of a difference, it's positions like QB/WR/RB/DB that need to keep their facemask a bit more open for visibility


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I was never clear on the whole Shredder/Krang relationship. In some episodes, Krang was the man in charge. In others, Shredder was bossing him around. I remember a few episodes where Shredder was the only bad guy and Krang was nowhere to be seen. This used to bug the hell out of me when I was a little kid.


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They were a team like the Ninja Turtles...Know your Turtles bro.

The mask will catch on sooner then later with 95% of the linemen!


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Where are you Darth Vader style NFL helmet?


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