Hasselbeck wrote:Matt Flynn should be our starter. Wilson is nothing more than a backup and will never amount to anything in this league.
NFSeahawks628 wrote:Don't know much about him.
kearly wrote:I remember him. There was a lot of talk about him back in December/January since he's a former Duck.
I never talked about him because his tape is pretty ugly, to be frank. He has obvious physical talent. In retrospect it makes sense that Seattle makes this this pick.
I don't like it though. Even in the 7th I don't think I would have liked it given some of the outstanding WRs that are still hanging around that late. Mark Harrison is superior in almost every way, IMO.
kearly wrote:I remember him. There was a lot of talk about him back in December/January since he's a former Duck.
I never talked about him because his tape is pretty ugly, to be frank. He has obvious physical talent. In retrospect it makes sense that Seattle makes this this pick.
I don't like it though. Even in the 7th I don't think I would have liked it given some of the outstanding WRs that are still hanging around that late. Mark Harrison is superior in almost every way, IMO.
Hasselbeck wrote:Matt Flynn should be our starter. Wilson is nothing more than a backup and will never amount to anything in this league.
Largent80 wrote:Swope had 5 concussions. Why do you think he dropped like a rock?
A couple of trips over the middle would be #6. At least we have a big WR, that we can afford to take time with.
Hawk Strap wrote:Swope went to theFalcons, wrong bird
kearly wrote:I remember him. There was a lot of talk about him back in December/January since he's a former Duck.
I never talked about him because his tape is pretty ugly, to be frank. He has obvious physical talent. In retrospect it makes sense that Seattle makes this this pick.
I don't like it though. Even in the 7th I don't think I would have liked it given some of the outstanding WRs that are still hanging around that late. Mark Harrison is superior in almost every way, IMO.
ImTheScientist wrote:This guy is the closest thing to beast mode we will ever see. You got a glimpse of that yesterday. He was instantly my favorite player when they signed him. Give the dude a chance and don't overreact or overthink preseason. Go Hawks. Lacy will rush for 1,100 and 10TDs. Bend the knee.
Hasselbeck wrote:kearly wrote:I remember him. There was a lot of talk about him back in December/January since he's a former Duck.
I never talked about him because his tape is pretty ugly, to be frank. He has obvious physical talent. In retrospect it makes sense that Seattle makes this this pick.
I don't like it though. Even in the 7th I don't think I would have liked it given some of the outstanding WRs that are still hanging around that late. Mark Harrison is superior in almost every way, IMO.
I disagree, the highlights/film I've seen of him excite me. He very much looks like Anquan Boldin.. I could see this kid being a bigger factor down the road than he's likely going to be in 2013.
Hasselbeck wrote:Matt Flynn should be our starter. Wilson is nothing more than a backup and will never amount to anything in this league.
godawg wrote:With Kris Durham and others, this FO has not distinguished itself in choosing receivers, and perhaps Kearly has a better eye for this than John Schneider.
Nevertheless, I see this pick as a branding pick, a statement. The Seahawks are all about punishing, smash mouth football. Not only will our defense beat the crap out of you and our running backs run over and through you, but even our wide receivers will be doling out the pain. Anquan Boldin wears his defenders out. I hope Harper is even close to that.
Hasselbeck wrote:Matt Flynn should be our starter. Wilson is nothing more than a backup and will never amount to anything in this league.
T-Sizzle wrote:godawg wrote:With Kris Durham and others, this FO has not distinguished itself in choosing receivers, and perhaps Kearly has a better eye for this than John Schneider.
Nevertheless, I see this pick as a branding pick, a statement. The Seahawks are all about punishing, smash mouth football. Not only will our defense beat the crap out of you and our running backs run over and through you, but even our wide receivers will be doling out the pain. Anquan Boldin wears his defenders out. I hope Harper is even close to that.
If that was true of anyone on this forum....they would have a GM job. JS does it for a living, his family doesn't eat if he gets fired. Real life consequences and he doesn't have the benefit of his bad calls being lost in the depths of a forum. Sorry bro, but to say anyone here could be a better talent evaluator than JS is kind of silly.
We can say we like ____ or ____ and that gets forgot in 2 months. We watch youtube video's, thats not near the level of JS.
ImTheScientist wrote:This guy is the closest thing to beast mode we will ever see. You got a glimpse of that yesterday. He was instantly my favorite player when they signed him. Give the dude a chance and don't overreact or overthink preseason. Go Hawks. Lacy will rush for 1,100 and 10TDs. Bend the knee.
Atradees wrote:I don't get it. Looked like even college defenders were all over him. Strong hands sure. No acrobatic catches or much YAC.
Special teams player.
kearly wrote:Pete will make this pick work, I just don't get why they passed on better receivers who were available much later. Mark Harrison has better measurables than Harper AND doesn't have the problems on tape AND he went undrafted since the WR class was crazy deep this year. And he's just one example of many.
I think what motivated this pick is that Pete is confident that he can fix problems, so he doesn't really see Harper's glaring issues as much of a negative, unlike me. Harper's strengths are BIG strengths. He might be the strongest WR in the draft and has strong hands too. That hasn't translated into physical play yet. Maybe it will with Pete's guidance and he'll end up a steal.
I like Greg's comparison to BMW. I think that's what Pete envisions too.
Hasselbeck wrote:Matt Flynn should be our starter. Wilson is nothing more than a backup and will never amount to anything in this league.
T-Sizzle wrote:I can't stress enough, PC and JS do this for a living, nobody on this message board does.
kearly wrote:Pete will make this pick work, I just don't get why they passed on better receivers who were available much later. Mark Harrison has better measurables than Harper AND doesn't have the problems on tape AND he went undrafted since the WR class was crazy deep this year. And he's just one example of many.
I think what motivated this pick is that Pete is confident that he can fix problems, so he doesn't really see Harper's glaring issues as much of a negative, unlike me. Harper's strengths are BIG strengths. He might be the strongest WR in the draft and has strong hands too. That hasn't translated into physical play yet. Maybe it will with Pete's guidance and he'll end up a steal.
I like Greg's comparison to BMW. I think that's what Pete envisions too.
Happypuppy wrote:He sounds like a faster Obo. Close in size too.. A decent pick if it pans out but it seems to be - bit of going for the fences. It could easily be a miss.
cover-2 wrote:Happypuppy wrote:He sounds like a faster Obo. Close in size too.. A decent pick if it pans out but it seems to be - bit of going for the fences. It could easily be a miss.
He is more of a sure thing than our 4th round pick in 2011, Georgia WR Kris Durham. Durham had minimal production but had big upside. Whereas Harper had good college production especially considering he had a below average QB throwing him the ball.
I don't see the size comparison with Obo and Harper. Harper is a much stockier guy, 30 lbs bigger.
Obo is 6-1 204 lbs
Harper 6-1 234 lbs
godawg wrote:With Kris Durham and others, this FO has not distinguished itself in choosing receivers, and perhaps Kearly has a better eye for this than John Schneider.
Nevertheless, I see this pick as a branding pick, a statement. The Seahawks are all about punishing, smash mouth football. Not only will our defense beat the crap out of you and our running backs run over and through you, but even our wide receivers will be doling out the pain. Anquan Boldin wears his defenders out. I hope Harper is even close to that.
Frozenropers wrote:Unfortunately, if Swope has already had 4 or 5 concussions in college he won't last in the NFL. He may be a good talent, but so was Jahvid Best. Seattle wasn't the only team to pass on Swope.
Harper will be good and brings a physicality to our WR corps that we don't currently have.
jlwaters1 wrote:godawg wrote:With Kris Durham and others, this FO has not distinguished itself in choosing receivers, and perhaps Kearly has a better eye for this than John Schneider.
Nevertheless, I see this pick as a branding pick, a statement. The Seahawks are all about punishing, smash mouth football. Not only will our defense beat the crap out of you and our running backs run over and through you, but even our wide receivers will be doling out the pain. Anquan Boldin wears his defenders out. I hope Harper is even close to that.
Assinine statement. UNder PC and JS they've drafted 2 WR's (not counting 2013 draft)- Tate (round 2) Durham (Round 4) Tate, would be considered a hit, IMO. He's shown to be a impactful playmaker. Durham wasn't nearly physical enough and was discarded.
In terms of hits on WR. (Players who've started and contributed significantly) JS has the following:
Mike WIlliams (2010 hit), Tate (hit), Baldwin (hit), Meawhile Kearse also contributed to the team as a UNFA in a limited role.
Misses- Durham (4th round miss) and Lockette who was undrafted (so that really doesn't count) . I think it's silly to say try to say that JS has done a bad job picking up WR talent.
T-Sizzle wrote:I smell BACK-PEDAL. You went from hating him to now "pete will make this pick work".
Clearly Pete didn't think Harrisons tape was better than Harpers. That is why Harper was picked in the 4th. I can't stress enough, PC and JS do this for a living, nobody on this message board does.
TeamoftheCentury wrote:The listing of those particular measurables does not sound like BMW to me. Mark Harrison would have perhaps been more like a BMW. I think they're looking for guys that excel in YAC. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall that as the memorable part of BMW's game. I always thought we would see much more out of Harper at K-State. The thought of him getting on the same page with RW and getting him the ball in space....
Thread Killer wrote:Harper seems like he could develop into a pretty good Anquan Boldin type WR to me. I thought it was a great pick.
BTW, Swoope still hasn't even been cleared to workout yet. Couldn't even make Fitzgerald's mini-camp with the rest of the offensive playmakers.
Hasselbeck wrote:Matt Flynn should be our starter. Wilson is nothing more than a backup and will never amount to anything in this league.
kearly wrote:TeamoftheCentury wrote:The listing of those particular measurables does not sound like BMW to me. Mark Harrison would have perhaps been more like a BMW. I think they're looking for guys that excel in YAC. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall that as the memorable part of BMW's game. I always thought we would see much more out of Harper at K-State. The thought of him getting on the same page with RW and getting him the ball in space....
If you want a YAC WR, that's not Harper. He separates about as well as BMW did (not very well) and is almost always tackled immediately after the catch.
I think you bring up a great point though regarding his lower body strength and how that might help him combat press coverage. Press Coverage will probably be widespread across the league in a few years so targeting receivers that can beat it makes sense.
Harper's tape against Baylor is just awful, it's actually even worse as I watched it today for the 3rd time. Almost every play he has major negatives. I had forgotten is how fumble prone he was in that Baylor game. This is why I say I trust Pete, because T-Sizzle is right- Pete is 100 times smarter than I am- so there's no way Pete would miss these obvious flaws. He has a plan in mind. If that plan doesn't work he just drafted a lousy receiver, but given his track record it probably will.
Oh and Sizzle, I don't really give a shit that we didn't draft the receivers I wanted. Honestly. My expectation going in was that we might not draft a receiver at all. I was very surprised when Seattle pulled the trigger on a WR in round 4. John Schneider said after the Harvin trade that Seattle wasn't looking at WRs all that seriously before the trade was made, so I had pretty much resigned myself to not getting guys like Swope, Bailey, Woods, Smith, Harrison, et al. The last few days before the draft I was just hoping we might get someone like Terrell Sinkfield in the 6th round.
That plus, in the case of Ryan Swope specifically, I knew he was off the table the instant the Harvin trade happened. Swope can play outside, but he's best in the slot and Harvin would obviously have that position locked down long term. Swope's draft grade is very different if you only need him as an outside WR.
gmor wrote:Frozenropers wrote:Unfortunately, if Swope has already had 4 or 5 concussions in college he won't last in the NFL. He may be a good talent, but so was Jahvid Best. Seattle wasn't the only team to pass on Swope.
Harper will be good and brings a physicality to our WR corps that we don't currently have.
Swope duplicated guys we already had. Harper added depth to other areas.
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