Ninerguy wrote:

theENGLISHseahawk wrote:

Ninerguy wrote:Incorrect, I get the excitement at signing a bunch of FAs.
But FA signings do not mean all those players will work out well, history of the NFL proves that out. Thats why it is such a surprise the JS would go away from what he preaches which was VALUE your draft picks and build through the draft!!!

I think he sees a window here before you have to pay or lose many young players and they are swinging for the fences. Not a crazy move but somewhat surprising. I think the Hawks are a very good team as I think the Niners are a very good team...but regardless of all the FA signings for either club it will come down to play on the field and coaching. I like our chances just as much as you like yours.
Fair?

I tried reading this but all I kept seeing was, "PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC"

lol, then you missed the point English.
SHEETS...My original point was that in signing a bunch of FAs does not guarantee success. It can definitely help but it is not a slam dunk in any way. Hawks are very good, I say that, they were good last season. But if we all know anything is that one years success does NOT guarantee success the next season. So its said, I thought the Eagles were going to be VERY good the past 2 seasons, I was wrong.

BTW, I know you will all flame out on this but I do not think that a 1st,3rd and 7th round pick for a guy that averages 800 yds and 5 TDs a yr as a WR is great value. Just my opinion and let the hate begin but those are marginal numbers at best. You can add in the return game but the Hawks already had one of the best return man in the NFL in Leon Washington. I havent even addressed the injury history of Harvin or his attitude. Trading for Harvin is a high risk high reward proposition is it not? If he hits it out of the park than its a high reward, if he has 800 yards and 5 tds this next season than are you happy with that as compensation?
the 1st and 3rd rounders are serious draft picks and most likely players who actually make your team, the 7th means nothing.

4freakin9 wrote:This whole argument is kind of silly so early into FA.

4freakin9 wrote:This whole argument is kind of silly so early into FA.

Both teams so far have done well with a few surprises. Here is how I have things pegged at this point, taking into account that there is still a lot of FA to go and the draft.

Seahawks:
Percy Harvin gain, 1st 3rd 7th and big contract loss: Very nice fit for Seattle and should compliment Wilson well in the offense. The lost draft picks could hurt but is in line for a player of Harvin's skill. The contract is a big one and for Seattle fans hopefully wont hinder future resigns. I think the injury bug will magically disappear now that he has been paid.
Avril and Bennet gain: Both players have been way overhyped by the media and the contracts show it. That being said, the contracts are very smart and are short for the purposes of resigning recent draft picks like Wilson. Good pickup overall

Niners:
KC 2nd KCconditional2nd/3rd gain, Alex Smith loss: Baalke should be president for pulling of this trade considering where Alex was so short ago.
Boldin gain, 6th loss: He's an old guy but owned in the playoffs. I don't think he can play at that level all season but hopefully he is better suited than Moss to handle the Kap fastball and will bring it in the next playoffs. I think they are paying him too much at 6mil but the compensation for him was peanuts.
Glen Dorsey gain: Could possibly give them more flexibility in rotations but we won't really know his ultimate roll until after the draft. I think Tomsula should be able to get him to perform better than in KC where he was severely misused.

The draft is the niners ace in the hole right now. With an unheard of 14 picks, and not all junk ones, the niners have some leverage to make moves and will hopefully make it interesting. Either way, it has been a long time since this rivalry was exciting and it feels good to have other divisions pissing there pants about having to face the NFC west these days.

That's the trouble with offseason titles: They create big expectations. Big disappointment usually follows

NinerLifer wrote:

4freakin9 wrote:This whole argument is kind of silly so early into FA.

Both teams so far have done well with a few surprises. Here is how I have things pegged at this point, taking into account that there is still a lot of FA to go and the draft.

Seahawks:
Percy Harvin gain, 1st 3rd 7th and big contract loss: Very nice fit for Seattle and should compliment Wilson well in the offense. The lost draft picks could hurt but is in line for a player of Harvin's skill. The contract is a big one and for Seattle fans hopefully wont hinder future resigns. I think the injury bug will magically disappear now that he has been paid.
Avril and Bennet gain: Both players have been way overhyped by the media and the contracts show it. That being said, the contracts are very smart and are short for the purposes of resigning recent draft picks like Wilson. Good pickup overall

Niners:
KC 2nd KCconditional2nd/3rd gain, Alex Smith loss: Baalke should be president for pulling of this trade considering where Alex was so short ago.
Boldin gain, 6th loss: He's an old guy but owned in the playoffs. I don't think he can play at that level all season but hopefully he is better suited than Moss to handle the Kap fastball and will bring it in the next playoffs. I think they are paying him too much at 6mil but the compensation for him was peanuts.
Glen Dorsey gain: Could possibly give them more flexibility in rotations but we won't really know his ultimate roll until after the draft. I think Tomsula should be able to get him to perform better than in KC where he was severely misused.

The draft is the niners ace in the hole right now. With an unheard of 14 picks, and not all junk ones, the niners have some leverage to make moves and will hopefully make it interesting. Either way, it has been a long time since this rivalry was exciting and it feels good to have other divisions pissing there pants about having to face the NFC west these days.

Great post. I think it is laughable when teams think that FA moves mean championships. Whenever I get excited myself about a free agent being signed I quickly remind myself of the Eagles "Dream Team" and that nothing is decided in free agency.

This article points it out very well:

http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap1000000151181/ ... o-success/

CurryStopstheRuns wrote:

NinerLifer wrote:

4freakin9 wrote:This whole argument is kind of silly so early into FA.

Both teams so far have done well with a few surprises. Here is how I have things pegged at this point, taking into account that there is still a lot of FA to go and the draft.

Seahawks:
Percy Harvin gain, 1st 3rd 7th and big contract loss: Very nice fit for Seattle and should compliment Wilson well in the offense. The lost draft picks could hurt but is in line for a player of Harvin's skill. The contract is a big one and for Seattle fans hopefully wont hinder future resigns. I think the injury bug will magically disappear now that he has been paid.
Avril and Bennet gain: Both players have been way overhyped by the media and the contracts show it. That being said, the contracts are very smart and are short for the purposes of resigning recent draft picks like Wilson. Good pickup overall

Niners:
KC 2nd KCconditional2nd/3rd gain, Alex Smith loss: Baalke should be president for pulling of this trade considering where Alex was so short ago.
Boldin gain, 6th loss: He's an old guy but owned in the playoffs. I don't think he can play at that level all season but hopefully he is better suited than Moss to handle the Kap fastball and will bring it in the next playoffs. I think they are paying him too much at 6mil but the compensation for him was peanuts.
Glen Dorsey gain: Could possibly give them more flexibility in rotations but we won't really know his ultimate roll until after the draft. I think Tomsula should be able to get him to perform better than in KC where he was severely misused.

The draft is the niners ace in the hole right now. With an unheard of 14 picks, and not all junk ones, the niners have some leverage to make moves and will hopefully make it interesting. Either way, it has been a long time since this rivalry was exciting and it feels good to have other divisions pissing there pants about having to face the NFC west these days.

Great post. I think it is laughable when teams think that FA moves mean championships. Whenever I get excited myself about a free agent being signed I quickly remind myself of the Eagles "Dream Team" and that nothing is decided in free agency.

This article points it out very well:

http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap1000000151181/ ... o-success/

That article points out the teams that overpay for players and has nothing to do with the Seahawks making moves in free agency and remaining fiscally responsible.

Scottemojo wrote:The good news? They cant keep all their players and all their picks.

kearly wrote:

Scottemojo wrote:The good news? They cant keep all their players and all their picks.

The good news? Trent Baalke swung and missed very badly in last year's draft, which was his first flying solo (he became GM four months before the 2011 draft and their boards were probably close to being set by then).

It's going to be very hard to mess up this draft though. Let's hope he's up to the challenge.

4freakin9 wrote:A lot of the players from last years draft either were injured or got buried by depth on the roster. I agree that Jenkins has clearly showed nothing up till now. That being said, it was clear that he needs to build up his body strength this offseason but has NFL speed and could show up this season. LMJ has worked out fine so far, and most of the rest of the draft was hurt and then buried on the depth chart. Boone's emergence at RG made the Looney pick a luxery and stuff like that happened.

theENGLISHseahawk wrote:I think the Niners are going to be pretty aggressive in the draft. Even despite losing some key starters, 13-14 players aren't going to make the final roster. So I think they'll make some moves to target specific players. DL, DB mainly.

The issue that they've got IMO is on defense. Aldon Smith did not look anywhere close to being effective without a healthy Justin Smith. They really have to come out of this draft with a long term successor there, with Smith turning 34 in September. That's why I think they'll move up to secure Datone Jones, who's probably as good a bet as anyone to fill that particular hole. But even then, he aint Justin Smith. And they'll struggle to find anyone who can master that role the way Smith had it locked down.

NinerLifer wrote:Obviously the Niners won't be drafting 13+ players in the draft. No doubt packages will be put together in order to move up to....well wherever they want and pick almost whomever they want.

And then we will start seeing the reports about how the Niners are NFC favorites again yada yada yada...which will also be pointless as nothing matters until September.

heyu123 wrote:I think you could make a legit argument the Seahawks at the end of last year were a better team than us. Just from the eye test and the result in Qwest, it's just that their game in ATL didn't bounce their way like ours did.

So with that said, this may not be so much the Niners pulling ahead as it is pulling even(or maybe slightly ahead depending on how they use the picks).

If the Niners can use some of these picks for maybe a Revis like has been speculated, even if he is just a rental, then maybe that might put them ahead in the arms race.

As it stands now it'll allow them to add tremendous depth which is what they lacked last year. But that's the only guarantee.

5_Golden_Rings wrote:

heyu123 wrote:I think you could make a legit argument the Seahawks at the end of last year were a better team than us. Just from the eye test and the result in Qwest, it's just that their game in ATL didn't bounce their way like ours did.

So with that said, this may not be so much the Niners pulling ahead as it is pulling even(or maybe slightly ahead depending on how they use the picks).

If the Niners can use some of these picks for maybe a Revis like has been speculated, even if he is just a rental, then maybe that might put them ahead in the arms race.

As it stands now it'll allow them to add tremendous depth which is what they lacked last year. But that's the only guarantee.

They were the best team in the NFL for three games at the end of the year, but as I said then, they peaked too early. At the end of the playoffs, when they cooled back to earth, there were three great NFC teams, and they were all equally matched.

But this just in: while Seattle and San Francisco did get better thus far (with Harvin, Boldin and the defensive signees by the Seahawks and the mountain of picks coming for the 49ers), the FALCONS ALSO DID. They just got Stephen Jackson, and everyone here knows what that means. That offense will now be utterly unstoppable. It wouldn't surprise me if both San Francisco and Seattle fall behind them. Of course, it's still a three team race, I think. But do not underestimate that team.

5_Golden_Rings wrote:

heyu123 wrote:I think you could make a legit argument the Seahawks at the end of last year were a better team than us. Just from the eye test and the result in Qwest, it's just that their game in ATL didn't bounce their way like ours did.

So with that said, this may not be so much the Niners pulling ahead as it is pulling even(or maybe slightly ahead depending on how they use the picks).

If the Niners can use some of these picks for maybe a Revis like has been speculated, even if he is just a rental, then maybe that might put them ahead in the arms race.

As it stands now it'll allow them to add tremendous depth which is what they lacked last year. But that's the only guarantee.

They were the best team in the NFL for three games at the end of the year, but as I said then, they peaked too early. At the end of the playoffs, when they cooled back to earth, there were three great NFC teams, and they were all equally matched.

But this just in: while Seattle and San Francisco did get better thus far (with Harvin, Boldin and the defensive signees by the Seahawks and the mountain of picks coming for the 49ers), the FALCONS ALSO DID. They just got Stephen Jackson, and everyone here knows what that means. That offense will now be utterly unstoppable. It wouldn't surprise me if both San Francisco and Seattle fall behind them. Of course, it's still a three team race, I think. But do not underestimate that team.

5_Golden_Rings wrote:

heyu123 wrote:I think you could make a legit argument the Seahawks at the end of last year were a better team than us. Just from the eye test and the result in Qwest, it's just that their game in ATL didn't bounce their way like ours did.

So with that said, this may not be so much the Niners pulling ahead as it is pulling even(or maybe slightly ahead depending on how they use the picks).

If the Niners can use some of these picks for maybe a Revis like has been speculated, even if he is just a rental, then maybe that might put them ahead in the arms race.

As it stands now it'll allow them to add tremendous depth which is what they lacked last year. But that's the only guarantee.

They were the best team in the NFL for three games at the end of the year, but as I said then, they peaked too early. At the end of the playoffs, when they cooled back to earth, there were three great NFC teams, and they were all equally matched.

But this just in: while Seattle and San Francisco did get better thus far (with Harvin, Boldin and the defensive signees by the Seahawks and the mountain of picks coming for the 49ers), the FALCONS ALSO DID. They just got Stephen Jackson, and everyone here knows what that means. That offense will now be utterly unstoppable. It wouldn't surprise me if both San Francisco and Seattle fall behind them. Of course, it's still a three team race, I think. But do not underestimate that team.

RolandDeschain wrote:Stephen Jackson puts the Falcons over the top like Anquan Boldin puts the 49ers over the top.

pinksheets wrote:More like over the hill, amirite?

5_Golden_Rings wrote:

heyu123 wrote:I think you could make a legit argument the Seahawks at the end of last year were a better team than us. Just from the eye test and the result in Qwest, it's just that their game in ATL didn't bounce their way like ours did.

So with that said, this may not be so much the Niners pulling ahead as it is pulling even(or maybe slightly ahead depending on how they use the picks).

If the Niners can use some of these picks for maybe a Revis like has been speculated, even if he is just a rental, then maybe that might put them ahead in the arms race.

As it stands now it'll allow them to add tremendous depth which is what they lacked last year. But that's the only guarantee.

They were the best team in the NFL for three games at the end of the year, but as I said then, they peaked too early. At the end of the playoffs, when they cooled back to earth, there were three great NFC teams, and they were all equally matched.

But this just in: while Seattle and San Francisco did get better thus far (with Harvin, Boldin and the defensive signees by the Seahawks and the mountain of picks coming for the 49ers), the FALCONS ALSO DID. They just got Stephen Jackson, and everyone here knows what that means. That offense will now be utterly unstoppable. It wouldn't surprise me if both San Francisco and Seattle fall behind them. Of course, it's still a three team race, I think. But do not underestimate that team.

mistaowen wrote:

5_Golden_Rings wrote:

heyu123 wrote:I think you could make a legit argument the Seahawks at the end of last year were a better team than us. Just from the eye test and the result in Qwest, it's just that their game in ATL didn't bounce their way like ours did.

So with that said, this may not be so much the Niners pulling ahead as it is pulling even(or maybe slightly ahead depending on how they use the picks).

If the Niners can use some of these picks for maybe a Revis like has been speculated, even if he is just a rental, then maybe that might put them ahead in the arms race.

As it stands now it'll allow them to add tremendous depth which is what they lacked last year. But that's the only guarantee.

They were the best team in the NFL for three games at the end of the year, but as I said then, they peaked too early. At the end of the playoffs, when they cooled back to earth, there were three great NFC teams, and they were all equally matched.

But this just in: while Seattle and San Francisco did get better thus far (with Harvin, Boldin and the defensive signees by the Seahawks and the mountain of picks coming for the 49ers), the FALCONS ALSO DID. They just got Stephen Jackson, and everyone here knows what that means. That offense will now be utterly unstoppable. It wouldn't surprise me if both San Francisco and Seattle fall behind them. Of course, it's still a three team race, I think. But do not underestimate that team.

Steven Jackson is one of my favorite NFL players of all time. It's too bad he has been stuck on such a terrible team for 80% of his career. Guy is the definition of a true professional. Same with Larry Fitzgerald. As much as I dislike their teams, I was never upset when they did well. He is gonna make that offense scary.

5_Golden_Rings wrote:They just got Stephen Jackson, and everyone here knows what that means.

mistaowen wrote:

5_Golden_Rings wrote:

heyu123 wrote:I think you could make a legit argument the Seahawks at the end of last year were a better team than us. Just from the eye test and the result in Qwest, it's just that their game in ATL didn't bounce their way like ours did.

So with that said, this may not be so much the Niners pulling ahead as it is pulling even(or maybe slightly ahead depending on how they use the picks).

If the Niners can use some of these picks for maybe a Revis like has been speculated, even if he is just a rental, then maybe that might put them ahead in the arms race.

As it stands now it'll allow them to add tremendous depth which is what they lacked last year. But that's the only guarantee.

They were the best team in the NFL for three games at the end of the year, but as I said then, they peaked too early. At the end of the playoffs, when they cooled back to earth, there were three great NFC teams, and they were all equally matched.

But this just in: while Seattle and San Francisco did get better thus far (with Harvin, Boldin and the defensive signees by the Seahawks and the mountain of picks coming for the 49ers), the FALCONS ALSO DID. They just got Stephen Jackson, and everyone here knows what that means. That offense will now be utterly unstoppable. It wouldn't surprise me if both San Francisco and Seattle fall behind them. Of course, it's still a three team race, I think. But do not underestimate that team.

Steven Jackson is one of my favorite NFL players of all time. It's too bad he has been stuck on such a terrible team for 80% of his career. Guy is the definition of a true professional. Same with Larry Fitzgerald. As much as I dislike their teams, I was never upset when they did well. He is gonna make that offense scary.

bestfightstory wrote:This almost makes me believe the Niners will trade for Revis now, just to keep pace.

NinerLifer wrote:Obviously the Niners won't be drafting 13+ players in the draft. No doubt packages will be put together in order to move up to....well wherever they want and pick almost whomever they want.

And then we will start seeing the reports about how the Niners are NFC favorites again yada yada yada...which will also be pointless as nothing matters until September.

Goldrush wrote:Exactly.

Gotta love the offseason Superbowls.

hawker84 wrote:Dallas did the same...

RolandDeschain wrote:

hawker84 wrote:Dallas did the same...

Yep; but remember, "there are no off-season championships".

There are, however, championships that are won with improvements made in the off-season. I'd love to see the 49ers argue against it in terms of drafting Joe Montana. Oh, not a championship off-season when that happened, huh?

*rolls eyes*

RolandDeschain wrote:

Goldrush wrote:Exactly.

Gotta love the offseason Superbowls.

With the 5 Lombardi Trophies in your case, I'd have thought you would know how to spell "Super Bowl" correctly.

In any case, there are teams that win the off-season championship, from time to time. I'd argue that the 49ers did when they signed Deion Sanders for a year. You guys likely don't win the Super Bowl that year without him.

Goldrush wrote:Priceless. Guy wants to have a serious discussion about spelling and who is the best team to have never played an actual game. Knock yourself out dude.