I'm trying to add up signing Avril & Bennett and I'm basically at ZERO for remaining cap space.
In other words -- someone is getting cut or restructured very soon.
Hawkstorian wrote:I'm trying to add up signing Avril & Bennett and I'm basically at ZERO for remaining cap space.
In other words -- someone is getting cut or restructured very soon.
Hawkstorian wrote:With Obomanu gone -- I'm calculating cap space at under $2m. If nothing else takes place, that money would need to be used to sign the eventual draft picks. If the Seahawks are to do anything else this off-season they will need to cut or re-structure some more deals.
Hawkstorian wrote:I have issues with Spotrac -- they don't really look at every deal, they just bring in pubished information from other sources.
That said -- you're at $1.4M and I'm more like $1.8 -- virtually the same in the big picture.
Can we re-name this thread -- "Dave and John talk about cap space" ?
Largent80 wrote:How in the hell are we going to sign rookies with that amount of money?
Hawkstorian wrote:Clayton may be right, we're all relying on imperfect information. It's possible Zac Miller's roster bonus converted to a signing bonus or any number of other changes. Sights like overthecap and spotrac don't have everything right.
A London Hawk wrote:Could one of you nice people explain how a incentive is deemed likely or unlikely and how they affect the cap?
kidhawk wrote:
I also doubt he's figured in any of the RFA contracts, as they technically haven't been signed (from what I've been able to find) and until they are signed, they aren't officially counting against the cap.
Hawkstorian wrote:kidhawk wrote:
I also doubt he's figured in any of the RFA contracts, as they technically haven't been signed (from what I've been able to find) and until they are signed, they aren't officially counting against the cap.
RFA tenders count against the cap.
Hawkstorian wrote:I went back through all the deals and compared my worksheet to what's out there on the various websites. Interestingly, Michael Bennett is listed at $4.8M, so not quite the $5M reported. Without getting into all the gory details, I'm showing $5,665,576 available. This includes the three RFAs at $1,323,000 which counts against the cap, although David is right that offer could be withdrawn or a different contract signed, which would change the total.
Added Sunday:
I've been corresponding with the founder of one of the salary cap sites and apparently there was another adjustment just prior to free agency from the $13.2M figure that's been widely reported. In fact, the Seahawks got another $1M or so adjusted upward so our total cap is $137.2M.
Seahawks right now have about $6.5M in available space, even after rookies are signed they would have over $6M. Probably enough to sign another mid-level veteran and work out an extension with Chancellor if the parties are willing.
Hawkstorian wrote:I just want to throw in there that I have a hard time buying the line that the Seahawks are going to pay Chris Clemons $6M in 2013 after signing Bennett & Avril. At some point he'll be given a number and told to take it or leave it.
Looking at Clemon's contract, according to Rotoworld $1.5M of his 2013 is guaranteed. Given that, it would be hard to get him to to $2M, more likely $3M.... meaning the most we could save by re-working his deal is $3M.
mikeak wrote:Hawkstorian wrote:I just want to throw in there that I have a hard time buying the line that the Seahawks are going to pay Chris Clemons $6M in 2013 after signing Bennett & Avril. At some point he'll be given a number and told to take it or leave it.
Looking at Clemon's contract, according to Rotoworld $1.5M of his 2013 is guaranteed. Given that, it would be hard to get him to to $2M, more likely $3M.... meaning the most we could save by re-working his deal is $3M.
Catching up on some threads
You can't just look at guaranteed money. $1.5 million 2013 is guaranteed but he got a 3 year $6million signing bonus. So $2 / year is hitting each year. You are hitting your salary cap with $5.5 million this year if you cut him. Sure zero next year but you are not going to cut a guy that costs you $5.5 million if cut
Go to spotract their number is more accurate at $5.8 million dead money. If you cut him next year all you are paying is $2million and now it would make a lot more sense if he isn't productive.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seah ... s-clemons/
A London Hawk wrote:We've still got rookies and the extra from going from top 51 to full 53 to come out. I'm guessing about 7mil overall for Kam and rollover?
A London Hawk wrote:There's still the jump from top 51 to 53 plus PUP though?
Stoned Cold wrote:I've never heard of this "jump" thing? Can someone explain that please?
kidhawk wrote:Stoned Cold wrote:I've never heard of this "jump" thing? Can someone explain that please?
In the offseason, rosters are expanded, but only the top 51 salaries count against the salary cap. Once the pre season ends and teams make their final cut down, then all players on the roster are counted against the cap. Currently numbers 52 and 53 count $480,000 against the cap each, so that perceived jump would be just under $1 million. In reality though, there are often a few cuts from the top 51, so when you do add the bottom extra two, it often doesn't realize much of a change in the actual cap. This is solely dependent upon what players actually make the roster and is impossible to know until cuts are made.
Stoned Cold wrote:I see, thanks. Sounds like its a pretty defined number. Basically 1 million. Also, I guess if you cut a higher priced veteran like we did last year with Kellen Winslow Jr. during final cuts than its not even something to be concerned with.
Hawkstorian wrote:According to overthecap.com Tony McDaniel signed a vet minimum deal for $850K plus a $50K signing bonus. This contract qualified for the minimum salary reduction so his cap number is only $605K. This contract has little impact on our overall cap space.
http://www.overthecap.com/cap.php?Name=Tony McDaniel&Position=DT&Team=Seahawks
Smelly McUgly wrote:Hauschka got 715K, unclear guaranteed cash, according to https://twitter.com/Curtis_Crabtree/sta ... 7203638272
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