RolandDeschain wrote:Watch me get flamed/called many names/banned:
http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niner ... 5/#post217
Winterfell wrote:heyu123 wrote:Good depth signing for basically nothing. By all accounts he was misused terribly in Philly by an OL coach posing as D coordinator.
The Niners will use him correctly, as we possess one of the best staffs in football.
He won't be Oakland Raiders Nnamdi anymore most likely, as he's older now and probably has lost a step or two. However I think you'll see him perform somewhere in the middle, ie an acceptable starter/great backup. Especially with two healthy Smiths rushing the passer.
If he reverts close to his form back from his Oakland days, you guys will have had a great steal. If he doesn't, your financial commitment to his is basically zero, so congrats on that.
Although your team will have to watch out for his effect on the locker room. I've read reports on NFL.com of him being a bit detached and cold towards his past teammates, eating lunch separately, stopping teammates in mid-sentence to say he didn't want to talk with them anymore, etc.
Babsmack wrote:Not sure why you guys quote/monkey with 49erswebzone.
It's not the official message board for the Niners.
This is:
http://forums.49ers.com/index.php
heyu123 wrote:Good depth signing for basically nothing. By all accounts he was misused terribly in Philly by an OL coach posing as D coordinator.
The Niners will use him correctly, as we possess one of the best staffs in football.
RolandDeschain wrote:I'm guessing he really just couldn't get guaranteed money from anyone and the 49ers let him spin his story about requesting it, lol.Babsmack wrote:Not sure why you guys quote/monkey with 49erswebzone.
It's not the official message board for the Niners.
This is:
http://forums.49ers.com/index.php
I know. I'm banned from there, too. For the same reason, actually; posting some stats, rofl. This was like 3 years ago, though. Haven't tried to go back.
757Niner wrote:RolandDeschain wrote:Hahahaha, that was quick. I'm already banned. What scrubs. I was even nice when I posted it.
They banned you? That's some bullshit, really. I left the webzone years ago...that place is the black hole as far as Niner boards. Even the .com boards have gotten ridiculously anal lately, having to sign-in to view the boards and things of that nature. I go elsewhere to talk about the Niners these days...
As far as Aso, its a meh signing. It doesn't make us better ,talent-wise, it may make us deeper however. Allows us not to have to press a rookie into action if he isnt ready. Aso is no longer a very good starter. But I think he could be a very good 3rd or 4th CB, if motivated. He wasn't guaranteed anything....money nor a starting gig, not even a roster spot so I supposed that's great motivation. We shall see...
Babsmack wrote:RolandDeschain wrote:I'm guessing he really just couldn't get guaranteed money from anyone and the 49ers let him spin his story about requesting it, lol.Babsmack wrote:Not sure why you guys quote/monkey with 49erswebzone.
It's not the official message board for the Niners.
This is:
http://forums.49ers.com/index.php
I know. I'm banned from there, too. For the same reason, actually; posting some stats, rofl. This was like 3 years ago, though. Haven't tried to go back.
Yeah, I heard there were some pretty snotty Mods back in the day. It's a cool place now. Just gotta watch the raw jokes and language there, 49ers allow us to be the "official" board - with restrictions. If one can behave properly, it's a good time. We have many members that are fans of other teams there cause it's a fun place during the workday - passes the time. Including a few from here, the restrictions make it SFW, lol
loafoftatupu wrote:757Niner wrote:RolandDeschain wrote:Hahahaha, that was quick. I'm already banned. What scrubs. I was even nice when I posted it.
They banned you? That's some bullshit, really. I left the webzone years ago...that place is the black hole as far as Niner boards. Even the .com boards have gotten ridiculously anal lately, having to sign-in to view the boards and things of that nature. I go elsewhere to talk about the Niners these days...
As far as Aso, its a meh signing. It doesn't make us better ,talent-wise, it may make us deeper however. Allows us not to have to press a rookie into action if he isnt ready. Aso is no longer a very good starter. But I think he could be a very good 3rd or 4th CB, if motivated. He wasn't guaranteed anything....money nor a starting gig, not even a roster spot so I supposed that's great motivation. We shall see...
There are guys on the .com board doing their best to cry about getting banned on this board. Because as you know, if anyone is glad to hear Pro-Seahawk news from a Seahawks fan, it is the .com board. Where you can't even READ it without being logged in. I actually like some of the guys there, but there is a lot of hyper-sensitivity going on the SF boards these days. The Webzone banned some old dude for talking nice about Russell Wilson, he was an oldschool Niner fan.
757Niner wrote:loafoftatupu wrote:757Niner wrote:[quote="RolandDeschain"]Hahahaha, that was quick. I'm already banned. What scrubs. I was even nice when I posted it.
They banned you? That's some bullshit, really. I left the webzone years ago...that place is the black hole as far as Niner boards. Even the .com boards have gotten ridiculously anal lately, having to sign-in to view the boards and things of that nature. I go elsewhere to talk about the Niners these days...
As far as Aso, its a meh signing. It doesn't make us better ,talent-wise, it may make us deeper however. Allows us not to have to press a rookie into action if he isnt ready. Aso is no longer a very good starter. But I think he could be a very good 3rd or 4th CB, if motivated. He wasn't guaranteed anything....money nor a starting gig, not even a roster spot so I supposed that's great motivation. We shall see...
There are guys on the .com board doing their best to cry about getting banned on this board. Because as you know, if anyone is glad to hear Pro-Seahawk news from a Seahawks fan, it is the .com board. Where you can't even READ it without being logged in. I actually like some of the guys there, but there is a lot of hyper-sensitivity going on the SF boards these days. The Webzone banned some old dude for talking nice about Russell Wilson, he was an oldschool Niner fan.
Winterfell wrote:RolandDeschain wrote:
Huh? Culliver's ranked 29th overall, 21st in pass coverage per Pro Football Focus. I'm seriously wondering about your ability to read basic stats.
There's the whole list. Richard Sherman, by the way, ranked 2nd overall and 1st - by a LARGE margin - in pass coverage. Nobody else even hit the 20s for pass coverage, but he was rated 26.4.
What amazes me is Antoine Winfield being ranked #1 overall. I knew he was an excellent run-stopper and tackler at CB, but didn't realize he'd be well-rounded enough overall to be #1, especially at his age.
That would be AWESOME if due to his age and the market for FAs, we were able to sign Antoine Winfield to a similar deal to what the 49ers gave to Asomugha. He sounds like he'd make a BEASTLY slot CB for us on a one year, incentives-laden deal, and improve our run defense.
5_Golden_Rings wrote:
Why in the world would Seattle want another corner?
5_Golden_Rings wrote:Why in the world would Seattle want another corner?
The Outfield wrote:How in the world did they get him so cheap? $1.35m, none of it guaranteed.
Teqneek wrote:The Outfield wrote:How in the world did they get him so cheap? $1.35m, none of it guaranteed.
Im confused on why he got paid in the first place. 15 interceptions in 10 years, One year he had 8, he avg 1 a year every other year, 3 years with more than 10 defended passes.
I never saw the hype.
Scottemojo wrote:Teqneek wrote:The Outfield wrote:How in the world did they get him so cheap? $1.35m, none of it guaranteed.
Im confused on why he got paid in the first place. 15 interceptions in 10 years, One year he had 8, he avg 1 a year every other year, 3 years with more than 10 defended passes.
I never saw the hype.
Because number ones were pretty much going to do nothing vs the Raiders. How do you get interceptons when they won't throw your way?
Put away your stats, they are tricking you. Nnamdi might be getting slower and older, but he was damn good.
NinerLifer wrote:The fact that he didn't want any guaranteed money
RolandDeschain wrote:NinerLifer wrote:The fact that he didn't want any guaranteed money
Don't get me wrong, no guaranteed money's great for the 49ers, but frankly I'm doubtful that he was running around offering to sign for nothing but incentives. After his HORRIBLE performance in Philly, he likely was having trouble leveraging any guaranteed money and is hiding it. Just a guess on my part, I have no facts to back it up.
4freakin9 wrote:LOL at that CB rank list they keep posting. Devin McCourty at #8 , nuff said. I'm from NE and that dude is soooo bad in coverage that they had to move him to safety after only like 2 years even though they had a need at CB. That list is a joke.
pinksheets wrote:Whichever 49er fan called this signing "amazing"....what are you on?
Good signing no doubt. Guy who can play well, no risk for the 9ers, but let's not pretend there's a ton of upside here.
Did the Eagles misuse him? Sure, a bit. Were the Raiders teams he was on so bad with secondaries so awful that passing to him was less of a fear and more of "why not just pass to the totally open guy over here?" type scenario? Yes.
The thing with Aso is that he was never close to as good as he was made out to be. He wasn't targeted because he never needed to be, not because he was some sort of shutdown corner. He's a decent corner when playing well, but he was never elite. This signing doesn't do anything to affect my opinion of SF this year, and I wouldn't pencil this guy in as a starter in San Fran. He can use the sidelines to his advantage and perhaps push another SF corner inside in nickel packages, but that's it. I wouldn't have liked him for the Hawks for that reason, he can play outside alright if you got a guy you can move in, but he won't play inside well, he won't play zone well, and he won't shutdown solid receivers.
Hawk Finn wrote:Actually, it's not fair to criticize SF for this. I would have been happy to have Nnaammddii (sp?) in SEA if there was a significant need at the position. Like, if we were really, really desperate and the only other option was Carlos Rogers. Where did that guy end up, anyway?
pinksheets wrote:I'm not saying he was only the product of that, I'm saying it helped him and inflated his reputation. My point is that the "Revis vs. Aso" debate was ridiculous at the time, he was never that kind of player. He was a pretty dang good corner who was looking like an elite corner, which I don't believe he was, and now he's fallen off a bit.
loafoftatupu wrote:757Niner wrote:RolandDeschain wrote:Hahahaha, that was quick. I'm already banned. What scrubs. I was even nice when I posted it.
They banned you? That's some bullshit, really. I left the webzone years ago...that place is the black hole as far as Niner boards. Even the .com boards have gotten ridiculously anal lately, having to sign-in to view the boards and things of that nature. I go elsewhere to talk about the Niners these days...
As far as Aso, its a meh signing. It doesn't make us better ,talent-wise, it may make us deeper however. Allows us not to have to press a rookie into action if he isnt ready. Aso is no longer a very good starter. But I think he could be a very good 3rd or 4th CB, if motivated. He wasn't guaranteed anything....money nor a starting gig, not even a roster spot so I supposed that's great motivation. We shall see...
There are guys on the .com board doing their best to cry about getting banned on this board. Because as you know, if anyone is glad to hear Pro-Seahawk news from a Seahawks fan, it is the .com board. Where you can't even READ it without being logged in. I actually like some of the guys there, but there is a lot of hyper-sensitivity going on the SF boards these days. The Webzone banned some old dude for talking nice about Russell Wilson, he was an oldschool Niner fan.
As for the signing?...... Championship! Probably as good as or better than Tru. LOL.
Babsmack wrote:Yeah, I heard there were some pretty snotty Mods back in the day. It's a cool place now. Just gotta watch the raw jokes and language there, 49ers allow us to be the "official" board - with restrictions. If one can behave properly, it's a good time. We have many members that are fans of other teams there cause it's a fun place during the workday - passes the time. Including a few from here, the restrictions make it SFW, lol
anyway, back on topic.....
Not sure I like Nnamdi, seems the TO type. Maybe Harbs can fix em!
pehawk wrote:I have a boner, right now, as I type this.
IronSaint wrote:Babsmack wrote:Yeah, I heard there were some pretty snotty Mods back in the day. It's a cool place now. Just gotta watch the raw jokes and language there, 49ers allow us to be the "official" board - with restrictions. If one can behave properly, it's a good time. We have many members that are fans of other teams there cause it's a fun place during the workday - passes the time. Including a few from here, the restrictions make it SFW, lol
anyway, back on topic.....
Not sure I like Nnamdi, seems the TO type. Maybe Harbs can fix em!
I say you're full of it. I've tried twice and your mods are too pretentious to let me come and play and "pass the time", if that's what you youngin's are calling it these days.
RolandDeschain wrote:4freakin9 wrote:LOL at that CB rank list they keep posting. Devin McCourty at #8 , nuff said. I'm from NE and that dude is soooo bad in coverage that they had to move him to safety after only like 2 years even though they had a need at CB. That list is a joke.
Not that I don't believe you over a major advanced stats website that most of the NFL media relies on, (yes, there's some sarcasm there) but can you point out a particular couple of games in 2012 where he was horrible in coverage for me to review on NFL Game Rewind? (I love the fact that you can watch entire games in ~33 minutes on there.)
4freakin9 wrote:NE traded for Talib to shore up the position and move McCourty back too safety. You could probably watch any game within 3 weeks before the Talib trade to see it. For me, it was hearing about how bad McCourty sucked at CB constantly before the Talib trade on sports talk in the area. There was a clear upgrade in NE's coverage after Talib took over as the #1 corner. I guess I should believe an major advanced stats website over the NE front office though. Sarcasm aside, McCourty is doing alright as a safety but it was really weird how he looked like a stud as a rookie and then fell off the last couple of years playing CB.
Shinigami wrote:There's no reason to think that he can't play safety if his skills as a cb aren't what they once were
Babsmack wrote:
Hey lofa. I recognize your username from the Niners forums. Your avi is hilarious
or are you a different dude?
Bobblehead wrote:I was listining to the guys on the radio this morning, and I have to agree with them, could have been Clayton.
CB's are not a weakness that the 9ers needed to cover, sure, he'll be an upgrade, but not a significant upgrade that will do a lot.
9ers weakness is the front 4 depth, remember them being exhausted when the Hawks played them, well they need more of them.
2) Safety, they just lost their enforcer and that too is what needs tending.
So as a Hawk fan.. yeah, great, but it won't do you (49ers) much good.
RolandDeschain wrote:Shinigami wrote:There's no reason to think that he can't play safety if his skills as a cb aren't what they once were
I strongly disagree. Nnamdi failed horribly in zone coverage. His skill is being a roadrunner tagging along with a receiver. Safety requires you to make snap decisions about where to go on the field. It's not like being a CB in zone coverage, per se, but it's quite different from playing man coverage on the side most of the time. I think Nnamdi would fail at safety; I don't see any evidence that he would succeed there. If you do, please explain, in detail, how you think he would succeed at safety? (Free safety; he's not a hitter or strong enough to go defend the run half the time.)
heyu123 wrote:pinksheets wrote:Whichever 49er fan called this signing "amazing"....what are you on?
Good signing no doubt. Guy who can play well, no risk for the 9ers, but let's not pretend there's a ton of upside here.
Did the Eagles misuse him? Sure, a bit. Were the Raiders teams he was on so bad with secondaries so awful that passing to him was less of a fear and more of "why not just pass to the totally open guy over here?" type scenario? Yes.
The thing with Aso is that he was never close to as good as he was made out to be. He wasn't targeted because he never needed to be, not because he was some sort of shutdown corner. He's a decent corner when playing well, but he was never elite. This signing doesn't do anything to affect my opinion of SF this year, and I wouldn't pencil this guy in as a starter in San Fran. He can use the sidelines to his advantage and perhaps push another SF corner inside in nickel packages, but that's it. I wouldn't have liked him for the Hawks for that reason, he can play outside alright if you got a guy you can move in, but he won't play inside well, he won't play zone well, and he won't shutdown solid receivers.
I think you're using a lot of revisionist history here. If it was that simple then why aren't there more Nnamdi's out there on teams with bad secondaries? There's a ton of horrible defensive teams and corners, yet there aren't very many at all who were doing what Nnamdi did in Oakland. Teams like Houston and Indy back in the day didn't go into the game saying "Oh well we won't throw to our #1 Andre Johnson today because their other corners are so bad." Nnamdi for the most part was shutting his man down and at one point WAS a top corner.
Now, at this point in his career those days are probably over. But it's disingenuous to pretend like he's really never been that good and was only a product of bad teams.
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