pinksheets wrote:What if Avril ends up being a great piece for this defense, potentially a replacement for Clemons if Irvin doesn't pan out?
Can you ask the same question about Osi?
kearly wrote:Supposedly Osi sucks against the run. Avril is younger, more productive over the past two years and has a lot more flexibility. He'd actually be a pretty fast linebacker when we move him there.
I would have loved to get Umenyiora at that price. Nice move for the Falcons. But I don't think it makes the Avril signing any less impressive.
RolandDeschain wrote:kearly wrote:Supposedly Osi sucks against the run. Avril is younger, more productive over the past two years and has a lot more flexibility. He'd actually be a pretty fast linebacker when we move him there.
I would have loved to get Umenyiora at that price. Nice move for the Falcons. But I don't think it makes the Avril signing any less impressive.
Umenyiora tied for 51st in the NFL of 4-3 DEs against the run, per PFF. (Man, I'm loving the premium stats, and I only just bought it yesterday.) Bruce Irvin was next on the list at 53; Osi had a -4.8 grade against the run, Irvin -5.5. Dumervil, Chris Clemons, and Cliff Avril were all worse against the run than Bruce and Osi, though. Ouch. Clemons smoked all of the aforementioned by a huge margin in the rush ranking, though. 24.5, 4th-best of all 4-3 DEs.
mikeak wrote:I hate when people use facts to kill discussions
DavidSeven wrote:Aren't Avril's numbers closer to $13m/2? I believe Osi can earn up to 12.2 with incentives.
kidhawk wrote:DavidSeven wrote:Aren't Avril's numbers closer to $13m/2? I believe Osi can earn up to 12.2 with incentives.
Yes, Avril is signed for 2 years and $13 million. Of that though, only $6 million is guaranteed. If we cut him after this season, we'd only be out $6 million.
kidhawk wrote:DavidSeven wrote:Aren't Avril's numbers closer to $13m/2? I believe Osi can earn up to 12.2 with incentives.
Yes, Avril is signed for 2 years and $13 million. Of that though, only $6 million is guaranteed. If we cut him after this season, we'd only be out $6 million.
CALIHAWK1 wrote:I don't care what a stat sheet says. I have eyeballs. No way is Irvin better against the run than Clemons.
How many run play snaps were they on the field for?
Jville wrote:kidhawk wrote:DavidSeven wrote:Aren't Avril's numbers closer to $13m/2? I believe Osi can earn up to 12.2 with incentives.
Yes, Avril is signed for 2 years and $13 million. Of that though, only $6 million is guaranteed. If we cut him after this season, we'd only be out $6 million.
Signing bonus ............... $4.5 million
Base salaries ... 2013 .... $1.5 million
....................... 2014 .... $7.0 million
DavidSeven wrote:kidhawk wrote:DavidSeven wrote:Aren't Avril's numbers closer to $13m/2? I believe Osi can earn up to 12.2 with incentives.
Yes, Avril is signed for 2 years and $13 million. Of that though, only $6 million is guaranteed. If we cut him after this season, we'd only be out $6 million.
That's right. I was directing that comment more toward the OP who suggested Avril signed $15m/2 vs. Osi's $8.5m/2. Numbers are actually closer than that and I'd much rather have Avril. More upside, flexibility after 2013 and seemingly a better attitude.
mikeak wrote:Good point thanks for correcting y numbers. Depending on where incentives are set the numbers are closer / not. If they are you know 20 sacks to get to $12.2Million then I would say that they are still quite a bit different.....
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