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 Post subject: Will HAbaugh force Manningham back onto the field to early?
 Post Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:51 am 
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After the way Manningham tore his knee last year you would normally expect him on the pup list for a while until he is back close enough to full speed to not re-injure himself but with how he handled Sherman in college when he was injured and seeing Justin Smith returned when it looked like he possibly should have been done for the year, I get the feeling he will push Manningham also.

I will be monitoring this very closely as I fully expect Harbaugh to push Manningham back as early as possible and it might even be why he is promoting Lockette recently. Trying to start lighting that fire and send questions of doubt into Mannigham's head.

Right now the Niners are hurting at WR if Manningham can't go only having Crabtree and VD returning as guys that have caught passes from Keap.

I predict an early return for Manningham. Hopefully he doesn't ruin his career by doing so. Not that I think Harbaugh would care.

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You know, nobody likes Jim Harbaugh around here, but let's not pretend he's evil. That's just silly.


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Lol Justin smith came back because he was cleared to play without making his arm worse. And he wanted a Superbowl.

Hows that harbaughs fault? Manningham will return when he is cleared.


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You know, nobody likes Jim Harbaugh around here, but let's not pretend he's evil. That's just silly.


Not saying he is evil but I think the man is selfish and more concerned about his reputation than his players health or safety. I'm not making this up. If your not familiar with Sherman's story you should look it up.

Look at how he handled Alex Smith when he got injured. The man shows a lack of loyalty and concern for his players that I haven't seen from other coach's.

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If I was Harbs I would have looked for a good reason to bench Smith in favor of CK too. I don't think he will push Manningham into anything he isn't ready for and the fact is, they can live without MM anyways. Crabtree is as solid as they get now and Boldin will be able to play too.

He wants MM to be the guy he was in NYG, he isn't going to risk him.

But he is still a douche. :)

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Manningham is only a post script anyway. He is a small piece of that offense, I would say the point totals suggest they didn't miss him much.
Harbaugh is no better or worse than Pete for having players play hurt.

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I guess the same question could be asked in regards to PC playing Bennett too early.

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All speculation aside, R & h.. Your close monitoring of this situation will surely yield the answers you seek in due time.

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RichNhansom wrote:
BBHawks wrote:
You know, nobody likes Jim Harbaugh around here, but let's not pretend he's evil. That's just silly.


Not saying he is evil but I think the man is selfish and more concerned about his reputation than his players health or safety. I'm not making this up. If your not familiar with Sherman's story you should look it up.

Look at how he handled Alex Smith when he got injured. The man shows a lack of loyalty and concern for his players that I haven't seen from other coach's.



harbs and i would hope Pete for your sake is only loyal to winning this is the NFL not Pop Warner... win or get fired thats what these coaches get for loyalty...


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 Post subject: Re: Will HAbaugh force Manningham back onto the field to early?
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Lol more wishful thinking from certain Seahawks fans.

Niners are in WR trouble?? Lol they might have a top 5 core from top to bottom. The idea that harbaugh puts his players at risk is just more of the nonsensical thinking that happens here everytime he's mentioned.

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Lol more wishful thinking from certain Seahawks fans.

Niners are in WR trouble?? Lol they might have a top 5 core from top to bottom. The idea that harbaugh puts his players at risk is just more of the nonsensical thinking that happens here everytime he's mentioned.

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Top 5 corps, you dullard.

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Goldrush wrote:
Lol more wishful thinking from certain Seahawks fans.

Niners are in WR trouble?? Lol they might have a top 5 core from top to bottom. The idea that harbaugh puts his players at risk is just more of the nonsensical thinking that happens here everytime he's mentioned.

(Waits for the obligatory "get off my board" responses) lol


where i agree with your take on Harb's rushing his return... to say you have a top 5 recieving core is a bit much.. you have a solid recieving core with a top TE and two good possesion guys.. but let's be honest ... other than your TE, your recievers are scaring nobody with a solid secondary.

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I wouldn't even say solid. They have a very good receiver in Crabtree and a very good TE in VD but that's as far as it goes right now. Manningham is nothing more than a huge question mark and Keap still needs to show he is capable of even getting the ball to Boldin. Boldin is not a receiver who gets open, he requires the QB put the ball where he can fight for it. Look what happened to BMW when Hasselbeck left. Jackson had no clue how to throw him the ball because he always looked covered. They also currently have no real backup TE to speak of. What they do have is huge questions.

Next on that top 5 corps is AJ Jenkins. Yup that is some solid depth right there. Going into a season with only two guys that have caught passes before is not an example of a solid WR corp it is closer to the opposite.

And no having 14 draft picks doesn't automatically make your corps any better. Last year your first round pick is a perfect example.

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NinerLifer wrote:
I guess the same question could be asked in regards to PC playing Bennett too early.


Bennett chose to play with his injury last year and was still productive. If Manningham can produce with his injury, more power to him.

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There is a story floating around (posted on here before) about Harbaugh wanting Sherman to play through his injury and Sherman decided to opt for surgery rather than risk further or possibly permanent damage. When Sherman returned healthy he was bumped to the bottom of the depth chart even though as a WR he was the leading receiver from the first day he stepped on the field to the time he got injured. It is why Sherman went to defense because he knew that Harbaugh was purposely screwing him.

Alex Smith got his team nearly to the super bowl and was currently one of the highest rated QB's in the league when he was hurt and Harbaugh showed zero loyalty to him making him the back up and later trading him.

You could say they could ask the same question about Carroll and Bennett but it would be without presedence. Not a good comparison unless you can provide some kind of examples that I don't know about.

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There is a story floating around (posted on here before) about Harbaugh wanting Sherman to play through his injury and Sherman decided to opt for surgery rather than risk further or possibly permanent damage. When Sherman returned healthy he was bumped to the bottom of the depth chart even though as a WR he was the leading receiver from the first day he stepped on the field to the time he got injured. It is why Sherman went to defense because he knew that Harbaugh was purposely screwing him.

Alex Smith got his team nearly to the super bowl and was currently one of the highest rated QB's in the league when he was hurt and Harbaugh showed zero loyalty to him making him the back up and later trading him.

You could say they could ask the same question about Carroll and Bennett but it would be without presedence. Not a good comparison unless you can provide some kind of examples that I don't know about.



http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2364 ... cornerback

Moving Sherman to the bottom of the depth chart could also be taken as Harbaugh not trying to force Sherman onto the field to early.

I have seen the posts your referring to on here, but can't find anything to support them. Only thing I could find after a quick search was a bleacher report (which don't carry very much credibility I know) that stated the only version to the story that I have ever heard that the switch was Sherman's idea, probably in an attempt to gain higher visibility to NFL scouts.

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He was the leading receiver his freshman and softmore years. He wasn't going to get more visibility than remaining the leader through his college career and no reason to think he wouldn't. I think you are trying to hard to ignore what happened.

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He was the leading receiver his freshman and softmore years. He wasn't going to get more visibility than remaining the leader through his college career and no reason to think he wouldn't. I think you are trying to hard to ignore what happened.

You can cover your eyes but that doesn't make it dark outside.


I should have clarified. I meant in order to receive more visibility than what he would receive from being #3 on the WR depth chart.

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Well your right about more visibility than #3 but he was wasn't even #3, he was dropped all the way to the bottom of the depth chart behind even the walk ons.

He wasn't there for health reason either. He was injured his junior year but redshirted that year and came back as a junior and was never moved back up. It was the off season before his senior year that he requested to switch to defense. A full season plus removed from injury. Harbaugh was even quoted saying he didn't think Sherman could make the change to defense.

If that's not enough Harbaugj/Balke selected Culliver 80 spots before Sherman was taken in the 5th.

I recommend reading Hawkblogger's write up on it. He breaks it down much better.

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Rich if you're going to say that Harbaugh is a selfish jerk Partly because he showed little loyalty to Smith when a QB came along that played better than him then I'm glad you're not a coach for the Seahawks lol. By your logic Carrol never should have started Wilson because Seattle traded for a player who probably believed he was going to be a starter here hence by the size of his contract and that the Seahawks were drafting a QB in the 3rd round who no one thought would start. Where was Pete's loyalty to an older more proven player?


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I think what we can take away from this thread is that Jim Harbaugh is a jackass.

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Rich if you're going to say that Harbaugh is a selfish jerk Partly because he showed little loyalty to Smith when a QB came along that played better than him then I'm glad you're not a coach for the Seahawks lol. By your logic Carrol never should have started Wilson because Seattle traded for a player who probably believed he was going to be a starter here hence by the size of his contract and that the Seahawks were drafting a QB in the 3rd round who no one thought would start. Where was Pete's loyalty to an older more proven player?



Did Harbaugh resign Smith and tell him he could compete for the job with no guarantee's he wins? Did I miss the open competition between Smith and Kaep?

No you are reading what you want from my statement. There should be no comparison of how Flynn was handled (correctly) and how Smith was handled (poorly) or confusion.

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Rich if you're going to say that Harbaugh is a selfish jerk Partly because he showed little loyalty to Smith when a QB came along that played better than him then I'm glad you're not a coach for the Seahawks lol. By your logic Carrol never should have started Wilson because Seattle traded for a player who probably believed he was going to be a starter here hence by the size of his contract and that the Seahawks were drafting a QB in the 3rd round who no one thought would start. Where was Pete's loyalty to an older more proven player?



Did Harbaugh resign Smith and tell him he could compete for the job with no guarantee's he wins? Did I miss the open competition between Smith and Kaep?

No you are reading what you want from my statement. There should be no comparison of how Flynn was handled (correctly) and how Smith was handled (poorly) or confusion.


How was Smith's situation handled poorly? Shouldn't every coach be looking for someone who can play the position best? I'm not denying that Harbaugh can be a bit of a cry baby after a loss similar to Belichick, but he made, they both made the correct choices in benching their starters in favor of someone who had higher ceiling even if it made them look like heartless jerks. Loyalty has to exist to an extent, but don't tell me you're happy about Carrol not keeping Hasselbeck. You can argue that if he were here in 2011 maybe we win two more games since he did help the Titans reach 9-7, but that would have probably go another root with a QB. Maybe we keep Whitehurst a little longer, or bring in another QB instead. Who knows, but in the end we know he made the right choice in not being loyal to a longtime veteran like Hasselbeck. Harbaugh was right about Kaepernick, and Smith while getting a bit of a raw deal probably knows Harbaugh was right in benching him in favor of Kaep.

Plus, Smith knew he was never guaranteed to the starter there for multiple seasons the way his contract was structured it made sure that after at least one whole year; every year they could have cut Smith with out taking a Salary Cap hit not to mention the fact that Harbaugh pursued Manning.


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