This year's free agents? Painless. Next year's? Oh boy...

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  • Free agents next year:

    Breno Giacomini
    Michael Robinson
    Kam Chancellor
    Michael Bennett
    Paul McQuistan
    Golden Tate
    Brandon Browner
    Doug Baldwin
    Walter Thurmond
    Anthony McCoy
    Dexter Davis
    Lemuel Jeanpierre
    Jeron Johnson
    Michael Morgan
    Charly Martin
    Will Blackmon


    Top half of that list are going to want to be paid. Can't keep them all. If I could keep three it would be Robinson, Chancellor and Browner. We are ridiculously loaded this year...time to get it done!
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  • I think you'll see guys like Red, Sydney, Clem having to take a pay cut or be cut next year to free up some money. Gonna be some tough decesions thats for sure.
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  • Harperville wrote:Free agents next year:

    Breno Giacomini
    Michael Robinson
    Kam Chancellor
    Michael Bennett
    Paul McQuistan
    Golden Tate
    Brandon Browner
    Doug Baldwin
    Walter Thurmond
    Anthony McCoy
    Dexter Davis
    Lemuel Jeanpierre
    Jeron Johnson
    Michael Morgan
    Charly Martin
    Will Blackmon


    Top half of that list are going to want to be paid. Can't keep them all. If I could keep three it would be Robinson, Chancellor and Browner. We are ridiculously loaded this year...time to get it done!


    RFA's that are usually cheap and easy to re-sign on one year deals . . .

    Baldwin
    Browner
    Johnson
    Martin
    Morgan
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  • There's not one name on that list that I feel the team HAS to keep. These players fit the "nice to have" moreso than the "need to have" category.
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  • I would like to bring back Kam, Golden, Browner and Michael Robinson. I think those are the key guys we should bring back in 2014!
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  • On that list, Bennett actually might be the name I most want to keep. If he can bring pressure from DT/DE (as well as play the run), he makes 10 other guys on the defense even more effective. Chancellor is a tough call. We find ourselves in the Pittsburgh model of 'next man up'. Tate could have another incremental break-out year, so somebody (maybe us) is going to offer him at least a very good-sized contract. I think JS/PC are so good at finding corner prospects (which we'll see again in this year's draft), that Browner is in a tough spot. Everybody else on that list can be efficiently replaced or offered very reasonable deals.
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  • I'm not going to worry about next year unless we fail to get a S.B. victory this season ;)
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  • If you're wondering where we might be going in the draft, the top half of that list might be a good clue.
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  • Hawk Finn wrote:There's not one name on that list that I feel the team HAS to keep. These players fit the "nice to have" moreso than the "need to have" category.


    That's my thinking. Maybe if Bennett impresses on his one-year deal, then he turns into a "must have" guy. But the rest of them seem relatively replaceable.

    And we need to get used to that. There's going to start being turnover on our team. We'll hopefully keep all of our crucial, star players and as many of our solid contributors as we can, but we're going to start seeing familiar names depart in FA and through cuts while we continue to add via the draft and (sometimes) through FA.

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  • I would hate to see Chancellor, Tate (he's finally getting it) or Robinson be let go. Or Bennett if he pans out this year.
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  • John Schneider's the man! Who the hell would of thought a couple of years ago when they purged our roster and made 500 roster moves that we would be sitting where we are today. Trust our FO and don't get emotionally attached to any one player other than #3 and it will be fine. This is a business and sometimes tough and questionable decisions have to and will be made. Not sure there is a better equipped FO in the league to do it going forward. Have faith in JS & PC, I do! :D
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  • I see this woe is me stuff all the time about what "may" happen.

    Do people have so little belief in Pete & John you don't think they are pretty aware of that list and probably are working on taking care of it as we type?


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  • Thats a long list, but hopefully John does work and gets the ones they want back re-signed.
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  • The Radish wrote:I see this woe is me stuff all the time about what "may" happen.

    Do people have so little belief in Pete & John you don't think they are pretty aware of that list and probably are working on taking care of it as we type?


    :141847_bnono:


    Yeah but, no way are they smarter than the collective that is .net :lol:
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  • grizbob wrote:
    The Radish wrote:I see this woe is me stuff all the time about what "may" happen.

    Do people have so little belief in Pete & John you don't think they are pretty aware of that list and probably are working on taking care of it as we type?


    :141847_bnono:


    Yeah but, no way are they smarter than the collective that is .net :lol:



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  • Schneider said during the Avril press conference that the team had a specific amount of money they were willing to spend on FA this year and a specific amount that went towards keeping their own players. I am sure a plan is not only in place but an outcome is in the works as we speak. They know who needs to be retained and who they can let go to get some compensatory picks.

    This team drafts extremely well. I mean look at the guys who we think "HAVE" to be here for this team to be successful from that list:
    Chancellor: 5th round pick
    Browner: CFL FA
    Tate: 2nd round pick
    Robinson: FA

    With this FO's track record in the draft and ability to find talent where no other teams can, I am confident if these players aren't retained, the new starters will be up for the task.
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  • The Radish wrote:I see this woe is me stuff all the time about what "may" happen.

    Do people have so little belief in Pete & John you don't think they are pretty aware of that list and probably are working on taking care of it as we type?


    :141847_bnono:

    Brings to mind my favorite saying: Worry is interest paid on borrowed grief.


    Let's take a closer look at that list once we edit out all the guys that could get cut tomorrow and we'd have forgotten them by next week:

    Breno Giacomini
    Michael Robinson
    Kam Chancellor
    Michael Bennett
    Paul McQuistan
    Golden Tate
    Brandon Browner
    Doug Baldwin
    Walter Thurmond
    Anthony McCoy

    Breno Giacomini - Just how much money is Mr. Yellow Flag going to get on the free market? How irreplacable is he anyways? Half .net would hold a party if we cut this guy.

    Michael Robinson - This guy is a fan favorite and we would dearly miss the Real Rob Report, but as far as FB's go, he's no Mack Strong. He's totally replacable.

    Kam Chancellor - This guy singlehandedly kick started the whole Legion of Boom mentality on that secondary. But last year was a down year for Kam. He needs to get back to his old form this season. If he does, he's going to be hard to replace, if he doesn't, one has to consider that his bone crunching style took its toll on his body and it's time to part ways.

    Paul McQuistan - yeah, that's HOF material right there [/sarcasm]. The guy's spot is a hole to fill and that's all. We'll probably draft for his replacement this year and next. there are plenty of Paul McQuistans in the NFL.

    Golden Tate - I doubt we let this guy walk unless he takes a real step backwards this season. But if we do, I trust in P&J.

    Brandon Browner - We did great when he was out. If we can resign him for a decent price, great, if not, next up.

    Doug Baldwin - the guy had a great rookie year. Got derailed by injuries last year. If he stays healthy and shows he's still got what made him so great his first year, I can see him pushing Rice off the roster. Harvin's here to stay. By the same token, if Rice finally clicks with Wilson for a whole season, I could see Rice knock Baldwin off the roster. Either way, it's a great problem to have. Which stud receiver to pick? eenie meany, miny moe, let's kick Harbaugh in the Yo.

    Walter Thurmond -- owes us a refund.

    Anthony McCoy - good TE. We just signed Goliath for a TE. I think that says a lot about McCoy's likelihood of being resigned next year.



    so when you get right down to it, the sky seems to be fully anchored overhead. Nothing to see here. Move along.
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  • I agree with Hawkfan77.
    Really, for all the love Kam gets around here, I'm not particularly (over) impressed. He is a decent safety who lays a good licking, but gets lost quite a bit out there. I am absolutely positive there is a lot of players in the future draft who will be as good or better. I'd rather save any huge monetary contracts when the time comes for only:

    Wilson (duh)
    Thomas
    Sherman
    Okung

    That's it. I'm a believer that the draft can take care of any other need. Especially with the building track record this front office is showing us.
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  • Chancellor, Tate, and Robinson are the only ones that are must keeps at this point IMO.
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  • Can we please just worry about winning our first title EVER instead of this?
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  • Also, I believe next year Zach Miller and Sydney Rice won't be on our team. Simply too expensive for what they do. My opinion: we can also do just as good or better from upcoming drafts. Eliminating these two salaries will go a long way to cap financial health.
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  • Largent80 wrote:Can we please just worry about winning our first title EVER instead of this?


    You're right.
    Thanks for bringing me back to the present and refocusing on what is truly important this season!
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  • Mjolnir wrote:I agree with Hawkfan77.
    Really, for all the love Kam gets around here, I'm not particularly (over) impressed. He is a decent safety who lays a good licking, but gets lost quite a bit out there. I am absolutely positive there is a lot of players in the future draft who will be as good or better. I'd rather save any huge monetary contracts when the time comes for only:

    Wilson (duh)
    Thomas
    Sherman
    Okung

    That's it. I'm a believer that the draft can take care of any other need. Especially with the building track record this front office is showing us.

    I'd add Unger to that list. A good center can never be underestimated. We keep Unger.
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  • i feel good enough about their drafting abilities that we dont have to worry about resigning most of these players honestly.
    I think Robinson will be the hardest one to replace, his leadership role is very important.
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  • Some of you are so quick to be hostile to your fellow fans. I just wanted to make the point that next year we're going to be losing some mainstays, more so than Branch, Jones, Hill and Tru. This is a fortunate offseason for us. I even said we're loaded this year and indicated we should kick some butt.
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  • Mjolnir wrote:Also, I believe next year Zach Miller and Sydney Rice won't be on our team. Simply too expensive for what they do. My opinion: we can also do just as good or better from upcoming drafts. Eliminating these two salaries will go a long way to cap financial health.



    I keep hearing this about Rice but don't think that will happen. Remember we won a couple of games on his back! That game against the Pats kind of quieted that noise down but I see everyone has forgotten and is busy trying to say he isn't worth the money.

    I could be wrong but I'll think I'm nearer the truth than your pronostications.

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  • The Radish wrote:
    Mjolnir wrote:Also, I believe next year Zach Miller and Sydney Rice won't be on our team. Simply too expensive for what they do. My opinion: we can also do just as good or better from upcoming drafts. Eliminating these two salaries will go a long way to cap financial health.



    I keep hearing this about Rice but don't think that will happen. Remember we won a couple of games on his back! That game against the Pats kind of quieted that noise down but I see everyone has forgotten and is busy trying to say he isn't worth the money.

    I could be wrong but I'll think I'm nearer the truth than your pronostications.

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  • I strongly disagree with those that think Kam and Tate have to be resigned. Both players bring a unique talent to the team but both players are just small pieces to our team and when the time come to pay them if they ask for big $$ I don' think those to will get it from us. Tate is an average #2 WR in this league, I would not pay him Brain Hartline money, if he left DBfresh could step in and be nearly as productive for he URFA salary. Kam has been caught in cover with his pants down too many times, his big hits are awesome but just like Ken Hamlin if he gets a big offer he doesn't bring enough value and doesn't deserve to be a top paid Saftey, without Earl he might just be average.

    I also disagree with those against keeping Giacomini, do you not realize how much better he has gotten and how he has that nasty attitude that an OLman needs. I don't think he will get huge money but he does deserve a pay raise.

    I think we can afford to keep

    Mike Rob
    Giacomini
    McQuistin
    BB RFA
    Baldwin RFA

    If Kam, Tate, and Bennett want big money let them walk and collect the comp picks later.
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  • Free agents next year:

    Breno Giacomini - his play this year will go a long way towards keeping him. Do they draft his replacement this year in the mid rounds?
    Michael Robinson - should be able to sign or replace for cheaper than 2.5 mil. Net savings
    Kam Chancellor - I love Kam, and want him on the team. If he returns to 2011 form, I would have to seriously consider spending on him. If not, he is replaceable and realistically we can't afford to spend 30+ mil a year on Kam, Earl, and Sherm.
    Michael Bennett - wildcard, his role this season will determine next years contract. Hopefully he kicks ass so it's a good problem to have. He is already at 5 mil, so it might not cost too much more to keep him
    Paul McQuistan - you can replace a guard for less than 3 mil, we have decent guard depth anyways. net savings.
    Golden Tate - I like golden, but he is replaceable, and since you can still have Baldwin for an extra year, I'm not worried about possibly losing him.
    Brandon Browner - RFA, at his age and playing style, we can lock down cheap for one add't year, and replace in 2015.
    Doug Baldwin - RFA, where he is at on the depth chart, again, cheap to keep for 2014, also replaceable if he signs somewhere else in 2015.
    Walter Thurmond - already has shown he is replaceable.
    Anthony McCoy - not worried here, TE with similar skills can be drafted.
    Dexter Davis - backup, replacement in draft this year or next year
    Lemuel Jeanpierre - backup, replacement in draft this year or next year
    Jeron Johnson - RFA
    Michael Morgan - RFA
    Charly Martin - RFA
    Will Blackmon - 715,000 cost, he will be cheaper to replace

    I'm really not worried at all about next year, besides, Clemons and Flynn are the obvious cap casualties and would free up enough cash for us to resign Kam and/or Golden if we wanted to (or save for Earl and Sherm in 2015).
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  • Nice first post and Welcome to Seahawks.net

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  • The Radish wrote:
    Mjolnir wrote:Also, I believe next year Zach Miller and Sydney Rice won't be on our team. Simply too expensive for what they do. My opinion: we can also do just as good or better from upcoming drafts. Eliminating these two salaries will go a long way to cap financial health.



    I keep hearing this about Rice but don't think that will happen. Remember we won a couple of games on his back! That game against the Pats kind of quieted that noise down but I see everyone has forgotten and is busy trying to say he isn't worth the money.

    I could be wrong but I'll think I'm nearer the truth than your pronostications.

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    Please don't take my prognostications (because, that's all they really are! LOL) with regards to Rice to indicate I don't appreciate what he has done for the team.

    But one or two great plays don't justify the salary. And if it comes down to Rice versus the other 4 (well, OK, I agree with the above that Unger should be on that list....so 5), I don't think he belongs in that category.

    Rice is not worth the money. He is a good receiver, but not a great one. The salary we pay him is for a great receiver.

    Same can be said for Zach.

    Just my opinions....however skewed, f*cked up, ignorant, (add adjective here), etc. they may be. :mrgreen:
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  • You absolutly keep Robinson, people say he's easiliy replaced, well look around the league and in college, how many teams have a Fullback that can run catch and block anymore, he may not be Strong but he's argueably the best all round FB in the league and our run games proves it.

    Dismissing our lineman as fodder, come on guys, look down the road at Arizona, I am not saying give them the moon, but McQuiston plays just about anywhere on the line, he knows his roll and his abilitys don't embarrass us, only place he isn't used for is Center. Bruno is the attitude we need out there, he has improved dramatically since he first came here and once put on notice calmed way down on the stupid penaltys. He probably won't cost a lot anyway.

    Kam I agree we need to see what form he takes after getting his ankles repaired, he is the enforcer in our secondary though and attitude the rest feed off of, don't think he will be asking for Ed Reed money anyway.

    Browner where I agree we have depth at corner we don't have the physical presence of Browner that I think makes a difference on how we play. Can Maxwell and or Lane step up and be that guy maybe, Browner is not going to fit a lot of other teams schemes anyway, he may not cost as much as we think to retain.

    Tate and Baldwin, Baldwin will be cheaper to re up since he's at a lower base anyway and not considered a starter, Tate he may be the wild card, he has a high opinion of himself and was drafted 2nd round. That will garner a higher offer, Harvin takes his spot so dropping him on the depth chart may also rub him the wrong way.
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  • The Radish wrote:Nice first post and Welcome to Seahawks.net

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    Thank you.

    I love Robinson, and don't think he is easily replaced, I just think he can be resigned for 3-4 years for less than what we are paying him next year. If he bounces, we free up roughly 2 mil and pick up a guy for the league min.

    McQuistan, is a solid guy, but with the cap and rookie contracts, this is a league driven by star players with the rest of the roster filled in by inexpensive guys on their rookie contracts. He is neither, and as said before, I find a replacement that costs 2 mil less a year that is coming into their prime and not about to leave it.

    Giacomini might not cost much more to keep, and if his improvement from last season is still there, you have to consider hanging onto him.

    With regards to Zach Miller, his cap hit goes down a bunch next year, and if he remains healthy, he should remain a Hawk.

    Speculating on this years draft, I could def see us drafting more offense, specifically targeting TE, WR, and, OL with 3 of our first 4 picks.
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  • also consider the fact that it would be smart to re-sign some of these guys this offseason instead of waiting. Once the draft happens and we are done with FA some things might happen. Rice and Miller might be asked to restructure. Whatever cap room is left could be turned into some front-loaded re-signing of guys.

    Add that to the fact that other guys will step up and some of these guys will no longer be as important after this season and things will work themselves out.
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  • Harperville wrote:Free agents next year:

    Breno Giacomini
    Michael Robinson
    Kam Chancellor
    Michael Bennett
    Paul McQuistan
    Golden Tate
    Brandon Browner
    Doug Baldwin
    Walter Thurmond
    Anthony McCoy
    Dexter Davis
    Lemuel Jeanpierre
    Jeron Johnson
    Michael Morgan
    Charly Martin
    Will Blackmon


    Top half of that list are going to want to be paid. Can't keep them all. If I could keep three it would be Robinson, Chancellor and Browner. We are ridiculously loaded this year...time to get it done!



    I think Tate,Baldwin,and Giacomini are good players but could be replaced while the players i would keep Browner,Kam, and Bennett are the players i would spend on (Robinson is the alternate) everyone else is valuable but they are just role players.
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  • Largent80 wrote:Can we please just worry about winning our first title EVER instead of this?

    THIS!!!!!!!
    I wish folks would trust this front office, they kind of know what they are doing!
    Enjoy the ride folks, it's going to be a good one for awhile! :th2thumbs:
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  • Largent80 wrote:Can we please just worry about winning our first title EVER instead of this?


    Its an internet web site not the team locker room. Maybe we start another thread on uniforms?
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  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    Largent80 wrote:Can we please just worry about winning our first title EVER instead of this?

    THIS!!!!!!!
    I wish folks would trust this front office, they kind of know what they are doing!
    Enjoy the ride folks, it's going to be a good one for awhile! :th2thumbs:


    It seems pretty clear to me by now .... that many .netters just love to play the "Woulda, Shoulda, Coulda" game!
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  • I'd love to have everyone back, but the chips will fall where they may. Impossible to predict at this point. Last year, most people probably wouldn't have expected SF to let their 1st team All-Pro safety walk without a fight. GB seems content on letting go of popular players like Jennings and Woodson. We all see what's happening to Baltimore this off-season.

    That's the NFL. Can't let yourself worry about it too much. Enjoy what you got right now.
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  • I don't care about all the conjecture... I want to be that kid again.... just lovin my team. and I love this team! :thirishdrinkers:
    I don't know why I bother... no one cares what I think.
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  • The player I would hate to lose most is Brandon Browner. He is probably the most physical player on the team. I think we could draft a safety to replace Kam if needed.
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  • Timmahawk wrote:Free agents next year:

    Breno Giacomini - his play this year will go a long way towards keeping him. Do they draft his replacement this year in the mid rounds?
    Michael Robinson - should be able to sign or replace for cheaper than 2.5 mil. Net savings
    Kam Chancellor - I love Kam, and want him on the team. If he returns to 2011 form, I would have to seriously consider spending on him. If not, he is replaceable and realistically we can't afford to spend 30+ mil a year on Kam, Earl, and Sherm.
    Michael Bennett - wildcard, his role this season will determine next years contract. Hopefully he kicks ass so it's a good problem to have. He is already at 5 mil, so it might not cost too much more to keep him
    Paul McQuistan - you can replace a guard for less than 3 mil, we have decent guard depth anyways. net savings.
    Golden Tate - I like golden, but he is replaceable, and since you can still have Baldwin for an extra year, I'm not worried about possibly losing him.
    Brandon Browner - RFA, at his age and playing style, we can lock down cheap for one add't year, and replace in 2015.
    Doug Baldwin - RFA, where he is at on the depth chart, again, cheap to keep for 2014, also replaceable if he signs somewhere else in 2015.
    Walter Thurmond - already has shown he is replaceable.
    Anthony McCoy - not worried here, TE with similar skills can be drafted.
    Dexter Davis - backup, replacement in draft this year or next year
    Lemuel Jeanpierre - backup, replacement in draft this year or next year
    Jeron Johnson - RFA
    Michael Morgan - RFA
    Charly Martin - RFA
    Will Blackmon - 715,000 cost, he will be cheaper to replace

    I'm really not worried at all about next year, besides, Clemons and Flynn are the obvious cap casualties and would free up enough cash for us to resign Kam and/or Golden if we wanted to (or save for Earl and Sherm in 2015).


    Welcome! Nice post. I agree.

    Remember we have this years AND next years draft to replace potential loses. It will suck to have the 32 second pick of the first round, but there could be worse things
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  • They better resign Guacamole. He gets a raw deal around here.

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  • McGruff wrote:
    Harperville wrote:Free agents next year:

    Breno Giacomini
    Michael Robinson
    Kam Chancellor
    Michael Bennett
    Paul McQuistan
    Golden Tate
    Brandon Browner
    Doug Baldwin
    Walter Thurmond
    Anthony McCoy
    Dexter Davis
    Lemuel Jeanpierre
    Jeron Johnson
    Michael Morgan
    Charly Martin
    Will Blackmon


    Top half of that list are going to want to be paid. Can't keep them all. If I could keep three it would be Robinson, Chancellor and Browner. We are ridiculously loaded this year...time to get it done!


    RFA's that are usually cheap and easy to re-sign on one year deals . . .

    Baldwin
    Browner
    Johnson
    Martin
    Morgan


    Bingo, Browner will get a first round tender for 2.9 million, he either resigns or we get a first round pick. Either Kam resigns for a reasonable price or he is gone.
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  • Not a free agent but add Sherman to the list. I get it FA list but with the structure if the new CBA I see about 0% chance of Sherman playing the fourt year of his contract. The error margin on that estimate is about 0% to 0%....

    He will cashing in $10-$14 million / year starting next year.

    Yes I think Rice and Miller is gone because year after that comes the discounted $15 million / year for RW

    You simply cannot discuss FA signings and salary cap for the next two years without considering those. That is the only part I didn't like about the Percy trade - the third round pick next year was costly IMHO as we need to keep building through the draft. But JS knows so sure the plan has it covered
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  • I'd like to keep Tate, Browner, Chancellor, Robinson and Giocommini in that order.

    Robinson plays FB. That's not an expensive position to keep, even for a Pro Bowler.

    Browner is probably more valuable in our system than most others, although there's a ton of teams out there that run man/press coverage on the outside and bring the heat (most 3-4 teams). CBs in FA were cheap this year, and he's coming up on the wrong side of his prime, but teams could still over pay for him. I hope he takes a fair contract in thanks for us giving him a shot from the CFL, but this is his only chance at a good contract.

    Chancellor would be great to keep, but he misses his coverage assignments a lot and isn't fast enough to recover from it. His replacement is already on the team (Winston Guy), so it's really up to his performance this year as to what he gets paid.

    Tate will be retained, almost at all costs. It's just too good to have Tate, Harvin and Rice all out there at once.

    Giacommini will also probably be cheap, but it's a good idea to keep the continuity on that side going, as RG is still a turnstile. We also don't currently have Breno's replacement on the roster yet. A talented value draft pick could change this though.
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  • Harperville wrote:Free agents next year:

    Breno Giacomini
    Michael Robinson
    Kam Chancellor
    Michael Bennett
    Paul McQuistan
    Golden Tate
    Brandon Browner
    Doug Baldwin
    Walter Thurmond
    Anthony McCoy

    Dexter Davis
    Lemuel Jeanpierre
    Jeron Johnson
    Michael Morgan
    Charly Martin
    Will Blackmon


    Top half of that list are going to want to be paid. Can't keep them all. If I could keep three it would be Robinson, Chancellor and Browner. We are ridiculously loaded this year...time to get it done!


    IMO the guys in RED- are the must have back

    The guys in GREEN are one's I could go either way-- depending on how 2013 goes.

    The rest are just guys, who can be replaced.
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