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  • Assume for a moment that pass rush isn't necessarily a soul crushing need at #56. Mine (in order):

    Datone Jones (maybe 1% chance), Zach Ertz, Ryan Swope, Corey Lemonier, Kawann Short, Sly Williams, Menelik Watson (also pretty unlikely), Lavar Edwards, Gavin Escobar, Brandon Williams, Bennie Logan.

    There are other players I really like, but I think we could safely get them in round 3 or beyond.
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  • I would be thrilled with either Brandon Williams or Lemonier. Kawann Short would be nice, but I think he goes before 50. Swope would be part head scratch part awesome. Maliciah Goodman is my surprise guy.
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  • Kearly, what about Simon? He is a guy you really seem to like. He could help the pass rush from the 3T or 5T and play some at LEO if needed.

    Scott, are you thinking of Goodman as a 3T inside guy or 5T? He is pretty similar size to Datone Jones. He had similar combine/pro day numbers to Datone as well although he has freakishly long arms and huge hands compared to Datone. His arms are 4" longer than datone.
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  • Ertz was a guy I really liked before the Harvin trade for his ability to create some versatility offence and line up in different spots. Not so necessary now, so wouldn't mind going D line heavy of the start. Gonna go with Lemonier, another guy i'm kinda torn and flip flopping on that wouldn't mind see falling is Alex Okafor.
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  • I think we should go D-line exclusively. I'm fine with any of the D-linemen you mentioned, especially Lemonier and Williams, since they may be there. If not, then Simon is a great pick. If we are going for a TE, I'd like a TE that can block as well as he can catch, so I'd go for Kelce in the third if he's available. If not, then all defense in this draft.
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  • polarbill1999 wrote:Kearly, what about Simon? He is a guy you really seem to like. He could help the pass rush from the 3T or 5T and play some at LEO if needed.

    Scott, are you thinking of Goodman as a 3T inside guy or 5T? He is pretty similar size to Datone Jones. He had similar combine/pro day numbers to Datone as well although he has freakishly long arms and huge hands compared to Datone. His arms are 4" longer than datone.


    Watch his tape. It is lackluster...until he stunts inside on a guard and the guard can't put his hands on him. So yeah, for me he feels like a pass rush 3 tech.
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  • Brandon Williams, Kasheem Greene, Margus Hunt, John Simon, Arthur Brown Jr., Jamie Collins, Jordan Reed, Ryan Swope, Vance McDonald/Gavin Escobar, Brad Wing (just playin). In that order.
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  • Theyll take Armonty Bryant and send Mel Kiper into hyper hater overdrive... Well it wouldn't surprise me.
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  • Lemonier or Khaseem Green for sure. Either of those guys could really fit in well with this defense.
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  • NYCoug wrote:Brandon Williams, Kasheem Greene, Margus Hunt, John Simon, Arthur Brown Jr., Jamie Collins, Jordan Reed, Ryan Swope, Vance McDonald/Gavin Escobar, Brad Wing (just playin). In that order.


    Good list

    I like
    LB's Kasheem Greene, Arthur Brown Jr., Jamie Collins, Jon Bostic
    TE's Zach Ertz, Jordan Reed, Gavin Escobar, Travis Kelce, Vance McDonald, Joseph Fauria
    DE's Tank Carradine, Damontre Moore, Alex Okafore, Devin Taylor, Corey Lemonier, John Simon
    DT's Kwame Short, Jesse Williams, Beanie Logan, Montari Hughes, John Jenkins, Josh Boyd
    CB's Robert Alford, Darius Slay, Tyrann Mathieu
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  • Zach Ertz please. I know we have the pass rush needs .. but he's very Gronk like, and our already scary offense would look downright terrifying with that element added.
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  • I'm not "rooting" for any particular player at this point. Great to pickup Harvin, but not having a 1st takes some of that excitement away. I think the Hawks will be better off with Harvin. Hope so. The kind of guys I could see available and possibilities (DL, OLB, possibly G/T or even a DB with return skills)... Kyle Long, Devin Taylor, Travis Long, Sio Moore, Khaseem Greene, D.J. Swearinger (can play either Safety with excellent coverage skills), Tank Carradine, Alvin Bailey, Larry Warford, (gulp, Tyrann Matthieu), Jordan Poyer, etc. (to name a few) Free Agency may change the direction to simply BPA. I've come to the conclusion that I don't think I understand enough about scheme fit for the DL players... so, I'm always interested to read what some of you offer there. I can recognize talent, but I can't quite understand why or why not a certain player would be the right fit.
    I do think that the trade for Harvin seems to indicate to me that perhaps the Hawks were targeting a game changer. I'll bet they had Tavon Austin #1 on their board... but, since his stock is rising in the first round and would be unlikely to land him at the 25 spot, they jumped at the chance to get Harvin. I don't know if there would be anyone who would say Austin is a better player than Harvin. It's interesting some of the comments I've heard from the talking heads the last couple of days about this WR draft class. I've seen several WR's drop out of 1st round projections and only Patterson and Austin remain. Heard yesterday on NFL Network with all the Harvin and Boldin trade talk that these moves make sense because it's such a thin talent draft class at the position. I was surprised by that. Perhaps with all the draft excitement and team needs... we just get a little too caught up in dreaming of these players. The part I really like about the draft is... the draft. There's always guys that go in the 5th round that some project on hype up in the higher rounds. I don't think we're all totally off in our assessments... but, I just have to laugh sometimes when some of us break out in howls of protest about some of our opinions... like, "There's NO WAY that guy last's until the 2nd round." or, "That guy could've been had in the 3rd or 4th." It's fun to try to project... but, there's so much more that goes into evaluation. Scheme fit probably is the most important... but, how many of us would've said that Harvin was a scheme fit (or highest priority to trade 3 picks away and sign him to a big contract?) I'm humbled every year about how much I really don't know. But, it's sure fun still trying to play GM- especially when the Hawks are the team they are right now!
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  • Fingers crossed for Short, he may slide to us based on teams drafting on need and the move of teams to 3-4. Reed at TE , but not in the 1st round
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  • I still want Margus Hunt, he is older and perhaps too raw for a pick that early but I think he could be close to Jones in a rotational 5 tech end or 3 tech pass rusher. A lot of players could be had for good value at that spot, I think I could be talked into Arthur Brown or Alex Okafor as well but I'm okay with another trade down to round 3 to add more picks as well as Devin Taylor could be an even better version of Margus Hunt.
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  • Really depends on the next few days. If we great Abraham & Desmond Bryant, then I'll have to almost surely say a WLB or another pass rusher. We don't need another WR.
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  • Ertz/Escobar/Reed in that order
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  • my guys i would pick up in this order Cornelius Carradine, Khaseem Greene, Sio Moore, Kewann Short, Gavin Escobar,Datone Jones, sylvester williams.
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  • Arthur brown.

    Sly Williams would be good. Gavin Escobar or Cory Lemon-wa.
    Hardest to explain but most satisfying would be Ryan Swope.

    Oh, and Darius Slay
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  • At this stage it really depends upon who is acquired during FA.

    The Harvin move has significantly increased the need for the team to either re-up at least one of our own, or find the pass rushers in FA.

    As a fan of the team I was excited by Harvin being added as he brings exciting possibilities to the team and is young. His addition will result in a series of related roster moves at kick returner and WR. Because he already has a contract of $2.75 mil with luck the differential for his new deal won't bust the cap. I'm sure he will be fairly costly though.

    However as much as I am excited by the move as a fan of the exciting possibilities he brings I'm disappointed as a draft fan and the loss of opportunity to draft on day 1 of the draft while increasing the pressure to find the right guys later in the draft. At present I'm sure the FO has already thought this through and we will see the answers on the field and won't be wondering where the pass rush will be coming from when the season starts but a significant rethink of the early draft is likely occurring in Renton as well as among all the fait.

    For me @ 56 I like Short if he falls, only if we were to acquire someone like Abraham. If not then Sylvester Williams on a similar reasoning basis. If no edge rusher is acquired but the team grabs a 3 tech then we are scrambling for Lemonier, Simon, Carradine or even an other while keeping one of Jones or Branch depending upon who we get.

    If FA is kind to the team with the pass rush then you look at relative value compared to an already in place roster player and for the guy who physically offers some exceptional trait, size, speed, or intangible 'it'. If the pass rush is in place then Ertz, or Justin Hunter.

    I could even see the team trading up or even down now. A whole lot will determined by what happens in FA.
    Until we develop a pass rush that will cause opposing teams to be forced to scheme to defend it we will never be able to completely take the final step. That was done and the final step was taken.

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  • Dream draft post Harvin and pre any FA signings but predicting Abraham and Seymore

    2. WLB Kaseem Green
    3. DE Devin Taylor
    4. CB Tyrann Mathieu
    5. TE Joseph Fauria
    5. DT Josh Boyd
    6. LB Michael Clay
    7. WR Marquess Wilson
    7. DE Armonty Bryant

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    2. LB Aurther Brown
    3. CB Tyrann Mathieu
    4. TE Jordan Reed
    5. WR Aaron Dobson
    5. DT Kwame Gathers
    6. LB Michael Clay
    7. WR Marquess Wilson
    7. DE Armonty Bryant
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  • Surprised more people don't talk about Margus Hunt.. I feel like he's a high energy guy that can get to QB's. Wouldn't be upset at all with him as our pick.
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  • Honestly, I think whoever first said Hunt was "Jordan Kent the DE" pretty much nailed it. Super high potential, but he's not a football player. Very high likelihood to bust.
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  • jhern87 wrote:Surprised more people don't talk about Margus Hunt.. I feel like he's a high energy guy that can get to QB's. Wouldn't be upset at all with him as our pick.


    High energy and Hunt don't belong in the same sentence.

    "Dazed and confused" maybe, but not high energy.
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  • If they can re-sign Branch I'm thinking they will probably go for a LB to replace Hill, if not then they will probably look at DT. People seem dead set on Hill leaving, even though don't forget PC/JS have no problems taking a chance on players with character issues. And with Hill having just got a DUI they could probably steal him on the cheap, even for the simple matter of depth. But ideally I think Khaseem Greene is a great choice at LB and if Jessie Williams is still around I like him at DT.
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  • Sio Moore.....

    .....at #56 if he is still there I will be completely amazed.
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  • Tyrann Mathieu is really growing on me. We have addressed our pass rushing needs on the DL, we have added a dynamic playmaker on offense. Pre-FA most would agree, Pass rush DT, DE, WLB, WR, #2 TE, and nickle CB are or biggest weaknesses.

    I see WLB, #2 TE, and nickle CB as our priorities going into the draft. We have heard numerous times how PC&JS "unique players", players that love the game and love to compete, players that have that knack for making big plays. PC hates to turn the ball over and will do just about anything to produce more turnovers on defense and has built our roster to accommodate that desire.

    So a guy who have been extremely devalued but bring his A game when he's on the field in Mathieu. He could be a very special player and one that immediately makes an impact. He'd be an excellent nickle CB and has a knack for making interceptions, returning kicks for TD's, causing fumbles, and just straight up hitting hard. He is the DB version of Percy Harvin, or possibly the CB version of Bob Sanders or Earl Thomas.

    So as of today Mathieu is a player that will very likely be there at #56, would surprise many people when taken, would surprise many people with production, and is a player that has had to battle adversity and probably has a chip on his shoulder.

    His hard hits would fit our defense well
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  • #56? I'm rooting for Cliff Avril to tear it up
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  • "Compares To: Antoine Winfield, CB, Minnesota Vikings -- Like the 5-09, 180 pound Winfield, Mathieu has Pro Bowl potential due to his tenacity, instincts and physicality." --Rob Rang
    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/play ... nn-mathieu

    He'd be a great fit for the LoB, I think they would let him in the group and keep him out of trouble.
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  • Terron Armstead. Can play RT or guard and is PC athletic.
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  • You know what? Totally against the grain, but I want Marcus Lattimore at #56. Yeah, I know, a reach at #56, right? We don't have a NEED at RB, right?

    A healthy Lattimore has more upside than anyone available at this spot. Yes, I understand that the key word is healthy. Injured? So what? Let him sit for the majority (if not all) of 2013. Use the time to rehab and learn the playbook. Get him on the field in 2014 and let him work his magic.

    I know that Lynch is money. I know that Turbin may be next in line for the job. However, I don't want to risk taking these guys for granted. Lynch has so many miles beyond his years, who knows how much more he has left to give on a full-time basis? Who knows whether Turbin has what it takes to contribute in an expanded role? Let's not forget how many of us clamored for the coaches to let Forsett to claim his "rightful spot" as starting RB just a few years back.

    I'd rather be the team that swung and missed on a longshot than the team lamenting getting cute and letting him slip away when interviewed in the HOF documentary.
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  • I'm going to go WR, i think this is the last year for Sydney. I'd love to see the Hawks draft a outside WR, let him get learn under Sydney this year and then taking over that starting role next year. With that said i'll take Hopkins, Hunter, Williams, Woods, etc. at 56.
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  • getnasty wrote:I'm going to go WR, i think this is the last year for Sydney. I'd love to see the Hawks draft a outside WR, let him get learn under Sydney this year and then taking over that starting role next year. With that said i'll take Hopkins, Hunter, Williams, Woods, etc. at 56.


    This is a definite possibility if Rice has a sub par season. It could help free money for future free agent issues.
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  • Bennie Logan. I was rooting for him at 25, but I hope he falls to 56, that'd be phenomenal.
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  • Just like a Game 7 in playoff basketball, BIG GAME football is all about matchups and game changing plays. No second chances. Winner take all. Tyrann Mathieu is my selection at #56, & without a doubt in the 3rd round. He is a dynamic playmaker, game changer, difference maker, and turnover creator. And here are my reasons...

    We need quality over quantity these days in Superbowl favorite land people. We have 10 picks and there aren't 10 open roster slots in the final 53. We all love the fact that we are closer than we have ever been to winning it all... so, lets get real. Its football. One year ago, this guy is a top quality, ultra talented, 'Ball So Hard' top ten pick!!! Mark my words, a month from now... it would be a Russell Wilson style draft coup to get this guy at 56, let alone 87.

    Forget 2nd round DTs & LBs, we can get those in the later rounds. What we need desperately is a better nickel CB to help us get off the field on 3rd downs, thus, I bring Mathieu into the fold as the missing "Fifth element" of the Legion of Boom.

    Get him out of friggin' LSUisiana, let bygones be bygones, and let him feel a whole "new family" feeling of the Team, the 12th Man, and a sold out Century Link rockin' a high like no other! Besides, all it would take for Tyrann is creating a bigtime turnover vs. the Whiners, or returning a punt for a TD at the C-Link, and he'd be 'hooked' on a whole new healthy lifestyle.

    Did Bruce Irvin have ATL regional history, major baggage, and was he a "risky pick"? YES.
    Did he get into trouble and revert to his old ways? A RESOUNDING NO.

    Before we went JS/PC crazy in freeagency, and got real playmaker/game changer in Percy Harvin for the slot, and 2 of the best 3 available passrushing DEs, I would have considered DE in Rd. 1, and Zach Ertz and/or Ryan Swope at #56 as similar 12th man fan favorites who would make a difference as offensive 3rd down specialists. The goal being in my mind to try and gain more first downs and keep opposing high powered offenses off the field. After all, it wasn't so long ago we were scoring approximately 20 points a game y'know... and we can't always play from 2 or 3 TDs behind and expect road playoff miracles. Sure, if we score 50 every week? No problem...

    BUT... our biggest obstacles to Superbowl Immmortality are the Falcons, the 49ers, and Peyton Manning and the Denver Broncos. To win those BIGTIME games we need to win the turnover battle, get off the field on third downs, and get the ball back into the potent hands of Russell Wilson and Company. Sure, now, we can score... but to win the Lombardi Trophy we need to prevent the 49ers, Falcons, and Broncos from scoring more.

    In summation, the pick is the 'HoneyBadger', Tyrann Mathieu, CB, LSU.
    "The Look" on the field is like so...
    On "basic" third downs, we take runstuffers Red, KJ, and Morgan off... Bring in Irvin, Mathieu, & Bennett... drop Chancellor to the coverageLB... & go with 5 pass rushers, Bobby Wagner and "OUR 5" vs. "THEIR 5". (D-line/defensive backs vs. o-line/offensive backs) like so...

    {M.Ryan}
    {Clabo, Konz, McClure, Blalock, S. Baker}
    {R. White, J. Rogers, H. Douglas, Gonzalez, J. Jones}

    [Kaepernick]
    [A. Davis, Iupati, Goodwin, Boone, Staley]
    [Crabtree, L. James, Boldin, V. Davis, Moss]

    (P. Manning)
    (Franklin, Ramirez, Koppen, Beadles, Clady)
    (Decker, Moreno, Stokley, Tamme, D. Thomas)

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    Irvin, Avril, Mebane, Bennett, Clemens
    B. Wagner
    Sherman, Mathieu, Thomas, Chancellor, Browner


    I believe with our newfound passrush specialists, and a "playmaking nickel corner with Legion of Boom attitude" at #56, (let alone #87) we can legitimately lineup with, and defeat, ANYBODY.

    And to me, that smells like Superbowl victory. :D
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  • I think we pick no one and trade our 2nd this year for a third this year and a third next year.

    If we stay in the 2nd though I think we make a very unsexy pick and take Menelik Watson as Giacomini's replacement or to play guard. This is also assuming we resign Branch.
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  • We still have a month to go, and I want to see how the rest of F.A. goes and whom John takes care of that were on the team last year. At that point I am simply going to take B.P.A / Need.
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  • Here is my wish list for the 2nd round in order,
    WR Chris Harper, Kansas St
    LB Sio Moore, UConn
    WR Markus Wheaton, Oregon St
    DT Brandon Williams
    TE Zach Ertz, Stanford
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  • After looking at ESPN insiders Draft Ranking by Tier http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft201 ... lent-tiers
    It looks like in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round we are really going to have our pick of some quality players. This is a very deep draft, i listed #46-#110 but removed the players at RB, QB, S, and OL I figured would not be on our radar.

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    46 Cornellius Carradine DE Florida State 6-4⅛ 276 84
    47 Gavin Escobar* TE San Diego State 6-5⅞ 254 84
    48 Sio Moore OLB Connecticut 6-0 245 84
    49 Brandon Williams DT Missouri Southern St 6-1¼ 335 84
    52 Aaron Dobson WR Marshall 6-2¾ 210 84
    53 Johnthan Banks CB Mississippi State 6-2 185 83
    55 Jesse Williams DT Alabama 6-3⅜ 323 83
    56 Terrance Williams WR Baylor 6-2 208 83
    57 Kyle Long OG Oregon 6-6⅛ 313 83
    58 Jamar Taylor CB Boise State 5-10⅝ 192 82
    60 Khaseem Greene OLB Rutgers 6-0¾ 241 82
    61 Terron Armstead OT Arkansas-Pine Bluff 6-4¾ 306 82
    62 Robert Woods* WR USC 6-0⅜ 201 82
    63 Matt Elam* S Florida 5-9⅞ 208 81
    64 Datone Jones DE UCLA 6-3⅞ 283 81
    65 Arthur Brown OLB Kansas State 6-0⅜ 241 81
    66 EJ Manuel QB Florida State 6-4⅝ 237 81
    69 Jordan Reed* TE Florida 6-2½ 236 80
    73 Travis Kelce TE Cincinnati 6-4⅞ 255 79
    74 Eric Reid* DS LSU 6-1¼ 213 78
    75 Robert Alford DC Southeastern Louisiana 5-10⅛ 188 78
    76 Corey Lemonier* DE Auburn 6-3⅜ 255 78
    77 Bennie Logan* DT LSU 6-1⅞ 309 78
    78 Kiko Alonso ILB Oregon 6-3⅜ 238 78
    80 Vance McDonald TE Rice 6-4⅛ 267 78
    83 Logan Ryan* CB Rutgers 5-11⅛ 191 77
    85 Jamie Collins OLB Southern Miss 6-3½ 250 77
    86 Bacarri Rambo DS Georgia 6-0½ 211 77
    87 Markus Wheaton WR Oregon State 5-11 189 77
    90 Brandon Jenkins OLB Florida State 6-2½ 251 76
    91 B.W. Webb CB William & Mary 5-10¼ 184 76
    95 Marc Anthony CB California 5-11⅜ 196 75
    96 Stedman Bailey* WR West Virginia 5-10¼ 193 75
    97 Kevin Reddick ILB North Carolina 6-1⅜ 243 75
    98 Alex Okafor DE Texas 6-4½ 264 74
    99 Barrett Jones OC Alabama 6-4½ 306 74
    100 DeVonte Holloman OLB South Carolina 6-1⅜ 243 74
    101 Steve Williams* CB California 5-8⅞ 181 74
    102 Jordan Mills OT Louisiana Tech 6-5 316 74
    103 Darius Slay CB Mississippi State 5-11⅞ 192 73
    107 William Gholston* DE Michigan State 6-6¼ 281 72
    109 Mike Gillislee RB Florida 5-11⅛ 208 72
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  • OL and safety could totally be on our radar.
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  • Tyrann Mathieu all the way, the guy is a turnover machine and a dangerous returner, if not him than Denard Robinson. Both are dynamic play makers
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  • McGruff wrote:OL and safety could totally be on our radar.


    I only remove the ones I thought wouldn't fit us or that we wouldn't target. I expect the unexpected that why i would be surprised if we drafted Offense like a WR or TE in the 2nd round. Why not stock pile talent for RW to grow with and give us leverage next year with Z Miller and Rice when we ask them to restructure
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  • I'd be happy with one of these 5:

    Robert Woods
    Justin Hunter
    Kyle Long
    Menelik Watson
    Sylvester Williams
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  • Hawk Finn wrote:You know what? Totally against the grain, but I want Marcus Lattimore at #56. Yeah, I know, a reach at #56, right? We don't have a NEED at RB, right?

    A healthy Lattimore has more upside than anyone available at this spot. Yes, I understand that the key word is healthy. Injured? So what? Let him sit for the majority (if not all) of 2013. Use the time to rehab and learn the playbook. Get him on the field in 2014 and let him work his magic.

    I know that Lynch is money. I know that Turbin may be next in line for the job. However, I don't want to risk taking these guys for granted. Lynch has so many miles beyond his years, who knows how much more he has left to give on a full-time basis? Who knows whether Turbin has what it takes to contribute in an expanded role? Let's not forget how many of us clamored for the coaches to let Forsett to claim his "rightful spot" as starting RB just a few years back.

    I'd rather be the team that swung and missed on a longshot than the team lamenting getting cute and letting him slip away when interviewed in the HOF documentary.


    Those are some really good points. I never thought of it that way.
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