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  • Counting Harvin as a reliable RB in any form is laughable. I hope they run him, then he will have one of his 6 games played seasons.
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  • Man the 9ers fans are super jealous that we got Harvin and they didn't.
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  • Super jealous is an understatement. People will say dumb things when they're jealous/scared. None of it will matter when Harvin is torching them for years to come
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  • Wilson to Harvin, THANK YOU.
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  • Ninerguy wrote:
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    Ninerguy wrote:Incorrect, I get the excitement at signing a bunch of FAs.
    But FA signings do not mean all those players will work out well, history of the NFL proves that out. Thats why it is such a surprise the JS would go away from what he preaches which was VALUE your draft picks and build through the draft!!!

    I think he sees a window here before you have to pay or lose many young players and they are swinging for the fences. Not a crazy move but somewhat surprising. I think the Hawks are a very good team as I think the Niners are a very good team...but regardless of all the FA signings for either club it will come down to play on the field and coaching. I like our chances just as much as you like yours.
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    I tried reading this but all I kept seeing was, "PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC"



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    lol, then you missed the point English.
    SHEETS...My original point was that in signing a bunch of FAs does not guarantee success. It can definitely help but it is not a slam dunk in any way. Hawks are very good, I say that, they were good last season. But if we all know anything is that one years success does NOT guarantee success the next season. So its said, I thought the Eagles were going to be VERY good the past 2 seasons, I was wrong.

    BTW, I know you will all flame out on this but I do not think that a 1st,3rd and 7th round pick for a guy that averages 800 yds and 5 TDs a yr as a WR is great value. Just my opinion and let the hate begin but those are marginal numbers at best. You can add in the return game but the Hawks already had one of the best return man in the NFL in Leon Washington. I havent even addressed the injury history of Harvin or his attitude. Trading for Harvin is a high risk high reward proposition is it not? If he hits it out of the park than its a high reward, if he has 800 yards and 5 tds this next season than are you happy with that as compensation?
    the 1st and 3rd rounders are serious draft picks and most likely players who actually make your team, the 7th means nothing.
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  • This whole argument is kind of silly so early into FA.

    Both teams so far have done well with a few surprises. Here is how I have things pegged at this point, taking into account that there is still a lot of FA to go and the draft.

    Seahawks:
    Percy Harvin gain, 1st 3rd 7th and big contract loss: Very nice fit for Seattle and should compliment Wilson well in the offense. The lost draft picks could hurt but is in line for a player of Harvin's skill. The contract is a big one and for Seattle fans hopefully wont hinder future resigns. I think the injury bug will magically disappear now that he has been paid.
    Avril and Bennet gain: Both players have been way overhyped by the media and the contracts show it. That being said, the contracts are very smart and are short for the purposes of resigning recent draft picks like Wilson. Good pickup overall

    Niners:
    KC 2nd KCconditional2nd/3rd gain, Alex Smith loss: Baalke should be president for pulling of this trade considering where Alex was so short ago.
    Boldin gain, 6th loss: He's an old guy but owned in the playoffs. I don't think he can play at that level all season but hopefully he is better suited than Moss to handle the Kap fastball and will bring it in the next playoffs. I think they are paying him too much at 6mil but the compensation for him was peanuts.
    Glen Dorsey gain: Could possibly give them more flexibility in rotations but we won't really know his ultimate roll until after the draft. I think Tomsula should be able to get him to perform better than in KC where he was severely misused.

    The draft is the niners ace in the hole right now. With an unheard of 14 picks, and not all junk ones, the niners have some leverage to make moves and will hopefully make it interesting. Either way, it has been a long time since this rivalry was exciting and it feels good to have other divisions pissing there pants about having to face the NFC west these days.
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  • 4freakin9 wrote:This whole argument is kind of silly so early into FA.

    This is it in a nutshell.


    Actually, this thread would have the potential to be entertaining and enlightening if there wasn't so much "My-dad-can-beat-up-your-dad" in it.
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  • 4freakin9 wrote:This whole argument is kind of silly so early into FA.

    Both teams so far have done well with a few surprises. Here is how I have things pegged at this point, taking into account that there is still a lot of FA to go and the draft.

    Seahawks:
    Percy Harvin gain, 1st 3rd 7th and big contract loss: Very nice fit for Seattle and should compliment Wilson well in the offense. The lost draft picks could hurt but is in line for a player of Harvin's skill. The contract is a big one and for Seattle fans hopefully wont hinder future resigns. I think the injury bug will magically disappear now that he has been paid.
    Avril and Bennet gain: Both players have been way overhyped by the media and the contracts show it. That being said, the contracts are very smart and are short for the purposes of resigning recent draft picks like Wilson. Good pickup overall

    Niners:
    KC 2nd KCconditional2nd/3rd gain, Alex Smith loss: Baalke should be president for pulling of this trade considering where Alex was so short ago.
    Boldin gain, 6th loss: He's an old guy but owned in the playoffs. I don't think he can play at that level all season but hopefully he is better suited than Moss to handle the Kap fastball and will bring it in the next playoffs. I think they are paying him too much at 6mil but the compensation for him was peanuts.
    Glen Dorsey gain: Could possibly give them more flexibility in rotations but we won't really know his ultimate roll until after the draft. I think Tomsula should be able to get him to perform better than in KC where he was severely misused.

    The draft is the niners ace in the hole right now. With an unheard of 14 picks, and not all junk ones, the niners have some leverage to make moves and will hopefully make it interesting. Either way, it has been a long time since this rivalry was exciting and it feels good to have other divisions pissing there pants about having to face the NFC west these days.


    Great post. I think it is laughable when teams think that FA moves mean championships. Whenever I get excited myself about a free agent being signed I quickly remind myself of the Eagles "Dream Team" and that nothing is decided in free agency.

    This article points it out very well:

    http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap1000000151181/ ... o-success/

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  • http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/matt-mai ... ting-early

    Here's a good article outlining our offseason moves.
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  • NinerLifer wrote:
    4freakin9 wrote:This whole argument is kind of silly so early into FA.

    Both teams so far have done well with a few surprises. Here is how I have things pegged at this point, taking into account that there is still a lot of FA to go and the draft.

    Seahawks:
    Percy Harvin gain, 1st 3rd 7th and big contract loss: Very nice fit for Seattle and should compliment Wilson well in the offense. The lost draft picks could hurt but is in line for a player of Harvin's skill. The contract is a big one and for Seattle fans hopefully wont hinder future resigns. I think the injury bug will magically disappear now that he has been paid.
    Avril and Bennet gain: Both players have been way overhyped by the media and the contracts show it. That being said, the contracts are very smart and are short for the purposes of resigning recent draft picks like Wilson. Good pickup overall

    Niners:
    KC 2nd KCconditional2nd/3rd gain, Alex Smith loss: Baalke should be president for pulling of this trade considering where Alex was so short ago.
    Boldin gain, 6th loss: He's an old guy but owned in the playoffs. I don't think he can play at that level all season but hopefully he is better suited than Moss to handle the Kap fastball and will bring it in the next playoffs. I think they are paying him too much at 6mil but the compensation for him was peanuts.
    Glen Dorsey gain: Could possibly give them more flexibility in rotations but we won't really know his ultimate roll until after the draft. I think Tomsula should be able to get him to perform better than in KC where he was severely misused.

    The draft is the niners ace in the hole right now. With an unheard of 14 picks, and not all junk ones, the niners have some leverage to make moves and will hopefully make it interesting. Either way, it has been a long time since this rivalry was exciting and it feels good to have other divisions pissing there pants about having to face the NFC west these days.


    Great post. I think it is laughable when teams think that FA moves mean championships. Whenever I get excited myself about a free agent being signed I quickly remind myself of the Eagles "Dream Team" and that nothing is decided in free agency.

    This article points it out very well:

    http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap1000000151181/ ... o-success/



    That article points out the teams that overpay for players and has nothing to do with the Seahawks making moves in free agency and remaining fiscally responsible.
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  • CurryStopstheRuns wrote:
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    4freakin9 wrote:This whole argument is kind of silly so early into FA.

    Both teams so far have done well with a few surprises. Here is how I have things pegged at this point, taking into account that there is still a lot of FA to go and the draft.

    Seahawks:
    Percy Harvin gain, 1st 3rd 7th and big contract loss: Very nice fit for Seattle and should compliment Wilson well in the offense. The lost draft picks could hurt but is in line for a player of Harvin's skill. The contract is a big one and for Seattle fans hopefully wont hinder future resigns. I think the injury bug will magically disappear now that he has been paid.
    Avril and Bennet gain: Both players have been way overhyped by the media and the contracts show it. That being said, the contracts are very smart and are short for the purposes of resigning recent draft picks like Wilson. Good pickup overall

    Niners:
    KC 2nd KCconditional2nd/3rd gain, Alex Smith loss: Baalke should be president for pulling of this trade considering where Alex was so short ago.
    Boldin gain, 6th loss: He's an old guy but owned in the playoffs. I don't think he can play at that level all season but hopefully he is better suited than Moss to handle the Kap fastball and will bring it in the next playoffs. I think they are paying him too much at 6mil but the compensation for him was peanuts.
    Glen Dorsey gain: Could possibly give them more flexibility in rotations but we won't really know his ultimate roll until after the draft. I think Tomsula should be able to get him to perform better than in KC where he was severely misused.

    The draft is the niners ace in the hole right now. With an unheard of 14 picks, and not all junk ones, the niners have some leverage to make moves and will hopefully make it interesting. Either way, it has been a long time since this rivalry was exciting and it feels good to have other divisions pissing there pants about having to face the NFC west these days.


    Great post. I think it is laughable when teams think that FA moves mean championships. Whenever I get excited myself about a free agent being signed I quickly remind myself of the Eagles "Dream Team" and that nothing is decided in free agency.

    This article points it out very well:

    http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap1000000151181/ ... o-success/



    That article points out the teams that overpay for players and has nothing to do with the Seahawks making moves in free agency and remaining fiscally responsible.


    Considering that Avril and Bennet are the only FA's seattle has signed then they are not overpaying there. Harvin isn't being over payed but he basically got a FA level contract from seattle who had to give up a lot of compensation in order to sign Harvin to a huge contract who still had a year left.
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  • Seattle has done the opposite of over spend. They've made clinical, opportunistic moves. And had the 49ers pulled off a trifecta of Harvin, Avril and Bennett... they'd be coming on here giving it billy big bollocks.

    And because it's Seattle that's pulled off this tremendous coup... they're now arguing like crazy that 'you dont win anything in free agency'.

    They'll no doubt be crowned champions of the draft because they have so many picks they'll be able to sign enough 'names' that the media recognise to be crowned SB champs in April. It's the way it is.

    If they were being honest, they'd just admit it's been a brilliant week to be a Seahawks fan and they'll get their turn during the draft. And all this silliness over Harvin is ridiculous. They know full well they'd be jacked up had he signed for San Fran. Big time. He's an elite playmaker.
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  • Scottemojo wrote:The good news? They cant keep all their players and all their picks.


    The good news? Trent Baalke swung and missed very badly in last year's draft, which was his first flying solo (he became GM four months before the 2011 draft and their boards were probably close to being set by then).

    It's going to be very hard to mess up this draft though. Let's hope he's up to the challenge.
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  • kearly wrote:
    Scottemojo wrote:The good news? They cant keep all their players and all their picks.


    The good news? Trent Baalke swung and missed very badly in last year's draft, which was his first flying solo (he became GM four months before the 2011 draft and their boards were probably close to being set by then).

    It's going to be very hard to mess up this draft though. Let's hope he's up to the challenge.


    A lot of the players from last years draft either were injured or got buried by depth on the roster. I agree that Jenkins has clearly showed nothing up till now. That being said, it was clear that he needs to build up his body strength this offseason but has NFL speed and could show up this season. LMJ has worked out fine so far, and most of the rest of the draft was hurt and then buried on the depth chart. Boone's emergence at RG made the Looney pick a luxery and stuff like that happened.
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  • I just laugh at any 49ers fan that thinks the Bennett signing was anything other than a great signing by Seattle. He gets to the passer and there are stats the back up him being one of the better run stoppers in the NFL.
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  • 4freakin9 wrote:A lot of the players from last years draft either were injured or got buried by depth on the roster. I agree that Jenkins has clearly showed nothing up till now. That being said, it was clear that he needs to build up his body strength this offseason but has NFL speed and could show up this season. LMJ has worked out fine so far, and most of the rest of the draft was hurt and then buried on the depth chart. Boone's emergence at RG made the Looney pick a luxery and stuff like that happened.


    Sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of all those draft picks busting. If a so-so backup RB is the best thing you can point to, then something went horribly wrong.

    That said, I'm pretty sure Matt Millen could probably take 13 or 14 picks in this draft and walk out with several starters. I am not denying that SF is in an excellent position to succeed this April. I'd put it this way: Shaq may not have been a great shooter, but he was great at making layups. If Baalke is good at what he does, he'll kill it. Even if he's not, there's no way the 49ers won't emerge from the draft a better, younger team.
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  • Beyond whose team is making better picks, Seattle's picks are getting significantly more playing time than SF's, and that inherently will enable them to accelerate their improvement as well as the overall team improvement beyond what can be expected from the 9er's, barring knocking out of the ball park on the draft, which most recent draft would indicate not a given
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  • I think the 49ers organization is conflicted. Trent Baalke is doing a good job as is his personal and scouting departments. The problem I see is that they and the coaching staff are not on the same page .... much like it was with Baalke's predecessor. A coaching staff that prefers veterans getting off to a fast start with complex schemes struggles at getting rookies involved. I see the pressure building on the 49er coaching staff.

    The Raiders across the bay, along with as many as 30 other NFL teams, will have an opportunity to pick up prospects from the 49ers in August. The 49er practice squad should also be a useful resource during the year. I don't think anyone is upset or intimidated by an organization that has too few roster spots available for rookies. There will be pleny of volunteers willing to help prospects and agents alike find alternate opportunities. There might even be another future probowler among this years surplus.
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  • I think the Niners are going to be pretty aggressive in the draft. Even despite losing some key starters, 13-14 players aren't going to make the final roster. So I think they'll make some moves to target specific players. DL, DB mainly.

    The issue that they've got IMO is on defense. Aldon Smith did not look anywhere close to being effective without a healthy Justin Smith. They really have to come out of this draft with a long term successor there, with Smith turning 34 in September. That's why I think they'll move up to secure Datone Jones, who's probably as good a bet as anyone to fill that particular hole. But even then, he aint Justin Smith. And they'll struggle to find anyone who can master that role the way Smith had it locked down.
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  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:I think the Niners are going to be pretty aggressive in the draft. Even despite losing some key starters, 13-14 players aren't going to make the final roster. So I think they'll make some moves to target specific players. DL, DB mainly.

    The issue that they've got IMO is on defense. Aldon Smith did not look anywhere close to being effective without a healthy Justin Smith. They really have to come out of this draft with a long term successor there, with Smith turning 34 in September. That's why I think they'll move up to secure Datone Jones, who's probably as good a bet as anyone to fill that particular hole. But even then, he aint Justin Smith. And they'll struggle to find anyone who can master that role the way Smith had it locked down.


    Aldon looks to have had a shoulder problem starting from the Chicago game that finally ended up in surgery.
    http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/matt-maiocco/smith-undergoes-surgery-torn-labrum
    I think what Baalke would prefer is to be able to have a lot more of the Spikes being replaced by Bowman type of transitions. Get a veteran in for a couple of years an groom a draft pick. Doesn't always work out (see Mays draft pick) but is a decent strategy. What the hell are you supposed to do with 14 picks though. I'm excited to see what kind of moves they try to make on draft day. Hunt or Datone Jones would be a nice protege under J. Smith.
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  • Obviously the Niners won't be drafting 13+ players in the draft. No doubt packages will be put together in order to move up to....well wherever they want and pick almost whomever they want.

    And then we will start seeing the reports about how the Niners are NFC favorites again yada yada yada...which will also be pointless as nothing matters until September.
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  • NinerLifer wrote:Obviously the Niners won't be drafting 13+ players in the draft. No doubt packages will be put together in order to move up to....well wherever they want and pick almost whomever they want.

    And then we will start seeing the reports about how the Niners are NFC favorites again yada yada yada...which will also be pointless as nothing matters until September.

    I look forward to Mel Kiper calling us morons and saying we had the worst draft in the league again because we didn't follow his book, while grabbing another all pro somewhere in rounds 3-5.
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  • I agree Roland, in fact I hope Kiper praises the 9er draft. That is the type of endorsement that solidifies a draft smack full of bad decisions.

    Gotta say I love the recast of the draft that was out recently showing Seattle having 3 picks in the first 15 picks overall where the Niners didn't even have a player who would have been recast into round one. Yet according to Kiper we had one of the worst drafts of any team. I'll take that kinda bad every time.
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  • I'm not sure they'll have to move up for Datone Jones, but if they did, I'd consider it a very smart move regardless. It's going to suck if they turn those early 30's picks into Datone Jones and DeAndre Hopkins.
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  • heyu123 wrote:I think you could make a legit argument the Seahawks at the end of last year were a better team than us. Just from the eye test and the result in Qwest, it's just that their game in ATL didn't bounce their way like ours did.

    So with that said, this may not be so much the Niners pulling ahead as it is pulling even(or maybe slightly ahead depending on how they use the picks).

    If the Niners can use some of these picks for maybe a Revis like has been speculated, even if he is just a rental, then maybe that might put them ahead in the arms race.

    As it stands now it'll allow them to add tremendous depth which is what they lacked last year. But that's the only guarantee.


    They were the best team in the NFL for three games at the end of the year, but as I said then, they peaked too early. At the end of the playoffs, when they cooled back to earth, there were three great NFC teams, and they were all equally matched.

    But this just in: while Seattle and San Francisco did get better thus far (with Harvin, Boldin and the defensive signees by the Seahawks and the mountain of picks coming for the 49ers), the FALCONS ALSO DID. They just got Stephen Jackson, and everyone here knows what that means. That offense will now be utterly unstoppable. It wouldn't surprise me if both San Francisco and Seattle fall behind them. Of course, it's still a three team race, I think. But do not underestimate that team.
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  • 5_Golden_Rings wrote:
    heyu123 wrote:I think you could make a legit argument the Seahawks at the end of last year were a better team than us. Just from the eye test and the result in Qwest, it's just that their game in ATL didn't bounce their way like ours did.

    So with that said, this may not be so much the Niners pulling ahead as it is pulling even(or maybe slightly ahead depending on how they use the picks).

    If the Niners can use some of these picks for maybe a Revis like has been speculated, even if he is just a rental, then maybe that might put them ahead in the arms race.

    As it stands now it'll allow them to add tremendous depth which is what they lacked last year. But that's the only guarantee.


    They were the best team in the NFL for three games at the end of the year, but as I said then, they peaked too early. At the end of the playoffs, when they cooled back to earth, there were three great NFC teams, and they were all equally matched.

    But this just in: while Seattle and San Francisco did get better thus far (with Harvin, Boldin and the defensive signees by the Seahawks and the mountain of picks coming for the 49ers), the FALCONS ALSO DID. They just got Stephen Jackson, and everyone here knows what that means. That offense will now be utterly unstoppable. It wouldn't surprise me if both San Francisco and Seattle fall behind them. Of course, it's still a three team race, I think. But do not underestimate that team.



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  • While I am very happy that Stephen Jackson is no longer in the division, it sucks that he went to a team that has a great passing attack. That team will be trouble from now on, and Jackson will look like a younger better version of himself with defenses having to respect Matt Ryan and Roddy White at the same time.

    Glad the Niners play them in Candlestick next season.
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  • 5_Golden_Rings wrote:
    heyu123 wrote:I think you could make a legit argument the Seahawks at the end of last year were a better team than us. Just from the eye test and the result in Qwest, it's just that their game in ATL didn't bounce their way like ours did.

    So with that said, this may not be so much the Niners pulling ahead as it is pulling even(or maybe slightly ahead depending on how they use the picks).

    If the Niners can use some of these picks for maybe a Revis like has been speculated, even if he is just a rental, then maybe that might put them ahead in the arms race.

    As it stands now it'll allow them to add tremendous depth which is what they lacked last year. But that's the only guarantee.


    They were the best team in the NFL for three games at the end of the year, but as I said then, they peaked too early. At the end of the playoffs, when they cooled back to earth, there were three great NFC teams, and they were all equally matched.

    But this just in: while Seattle and San Francisco did get better thus far (with Harvin, Boldin and the defensive signees by the Seahawks and the mountain of picks coming for the 49ers), the FALCONS ALSO DID. They just got Stephen Jackson, and everyone here knows what that means. That offense will now be utterly unstoppable. It wouldn't surprise me if both San Francisco and Seattle fall behind them. Of course, it's still a three team race, I think. But do not underestimate that team.


    Not agreed at all. Jackson has 2800 carries on those wheels, and is on the wrong side of 30. The Falcons D is not getting better.

    I was not surprised that Atlanta put the number of points they did on both our teams. What surprised me was both our teams left at least ten points on the field. That Atlanta D is easy to gouge, primarily through the linebackers.
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  • 5_Golden_Rings wrote:
    heyu123 wrote:I think you could make a legit argument the Seahawks at the end of last year were a better team than us. Just from the eye test and the result in Qwest, it's just that their game in ATL didn't bounce their way like ours did.

    So with that said, this may not be so much the Niners pulling ahead as it is pulling even(or maybe slightly ahead depending on how they use the picks).

    If the Niners can use some of these picks for maybe a Revis like has been speculated, even if he is just a rental, then maybe that might put them ahead in the arms race.

    As it stands now it'll allow them to add tremendous depth which is what they lacked last year. But that's the only guarantee.


    They were the best team in the NFL for three games at the end of the year, but as I said then, they peaked too early. At the end of the playoffs, when they cooled back to earth, there were three great NFC teams, and they were all equally matched.

    But this just in: while Seattle and San Francisco did get better thus far (with Harvin, Boldin and the defensive signees by the Seahawks and the mountain of picks coming for the 49ers), the FALCONS ALSO DID. They just got Stephen Jackson, and everyone here knows what that means. That offense will now be utterly unstoppable. It wouldn't surprise me if both San Francisco and Seattle fall behind them. Of course, it's still a three team race, I think. But do not underestimate that team.

    No the Hawks didn't peak too early, our ussypay d-coord decided he wanted to play a softzone-prevent defense on ATL's last drive with less than a minute left in the game! Thank Gawd he is no longer part of the coaching staff!
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  • Steven Jackson puts the Falcons over the top like Anquan Boldin puts the 49ers over the top.
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:Stephen Jackson puts the Falcons over the top like Anquan Boldin puts the 49ers over the top.

    More like over the hill, amirite?
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  • pinksheets wrote:More like over the hill, amirite?


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  • This almost makes me believe the Niners will trade for Revis now, just to keep pace.
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  • 5_Golden_Rings wrote:
    heyu123 wrote:I think you could make a legit argument the Seahawks at the end of last year were a better team than us. Just from the eye test and the result in Qwest, it's just that their game in ATL didn't bounce their way like ours did.

    So with that said, this may not be so much the Niners pulling ahead as it is pulling even(or maybe slightly ahead depending on how they use the picks).

    If the Niners can use some of these picks for maybe a Revis like has been speculated, even if he is just a rental, then maybe that might put them ahead in the arms race.

    As it stands now it'll allow them to add tremendous depth which is what they lacked last year. But that's the only guarantee.


    They were the best team in the NFL for three games at the end of the year, but as I said then, they peaked too early. At the end of the playoffs, when they cooled back to earth, there were three great NFC teams, and they were all equally matched.

    But this just in: while Seattle and San Francisco did get better thus far (with Harvin, Boldin and the defensive signees by the Seahawks and the mountain of picks coming for the 49ers), the FALCONS ALSO DID. They just got Stephen Jackson, and everyone here knows what that means. That offense will now be utterly unstoppable. It wouldn't surprise me if both San Francisco and Seattle fall behind them. Of course, it's still a three team race, I think. But do not underestimate that team.


    Steven Jackson is one of my favorite NFL players of all time. It's too bad he has been stuck on such a terrible team for 80% of his career. Guy is the definition of a true professional. Same with Larry Fitzgerald. As much as I dislike their teams, I was never upset when they did well. He is gonna make that offense scary.
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  • Jackson is at the end of his productive cycle and he has NEVER had much luck against Seattle.

    Atlanta is just getting older.

    The 9ers had better purge some of that old stuff too with all those picks or they are definitely will be falling behind age wise anyway.

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  • mistaowen wrote:
    5_Golden_Rings wrote:
    heyu123 wrote:I think you could make a legit argument the Seahawks at the end of last year were a better team than us. Just from the eye test and the result in Qwest, it's just that their game in ATL didn't bounce their way like ours did.

    So with that said, this may not be so much the Niners pulling ahead as it is pulling even(or maybe slightly ahead depending on how they use the picks).

    If the Niners can use some of these picks for maybe a Revis like has been speculated, even if he is just a rental, then maybe that might put them ahead in the arms race.

    As it stands now it'll allow them to add tremendous depth which is what they lacked last year. But that's the only guarantee.


    They were the best team in the NFL for three games at the end of the year, but as I said then, they peaked too early. At the end of the playoffs, when they cooled back to earth, there were three great NFC teams, and they were all equally matched.

    But this just in: while Seattle and San Francisco did get better thus far (with Harvin, Boldin and the defensive signees by the Seahawks and the mountain of picks coming for the 49ers), the FALCONS ALSO DID. They just got Stephen Jackson, and everyone here knows what that means. That offense will now be utterly unstoppable. It wouldn't surprise me if both San Francisco and Seattle fall behind them. Of course, it's still a three team race, I think. But do not underestimate that team.


    Steven Jackson is one of my favorite NFL players of all time. It's too bad he has been stuck on such a terrible team for 80% of his career. Guy is the definition of a true professional. Same with Larry Fitzgerald. As much as I dislike their teams, I was never upset when they did well. He is gonna make that offense scary.

    At least Fitz got a super bowl appearance
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  • Maybe now that Jackson is with the Falcons, he might get a playoff victory a la Tony Gonzalez.
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  • 5_Golden_Rings wrote:They just got Stephen Jackson, and everyone here knows what that means.


    9 years without a winning record?
    9 years without a 100 yard rushing game against the Seahawks?
    10 straight head-to-head games without a loss?

    Is that what you mean?
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  • mistaowen wrote:
    5_Golden_Rings wrote:
    heyu123 wrote:I think you could make a legit argument the Seahawks at the end of last year were a better team than us. Just from the eye test and the result in Qwest, it's just that their game in ATL didn't bounce their way like ours did.

    So with that said, this may not be so much the Niners pulling ahead as it is pulling even(or maybe slightly ahead depending on how they use the picks).

    If the Niners can use some of these picks for maybe a Revis like has been speculated, even if he is just a rental, then maybe that might put them ahead in the arms race.

    As it stands now it'll allow them to add tremendous depth which is what they lacked last year. But that's the only guarantee.


    They were the best team in the NFL for three games at the end of the year, but as I said then, they peaked too early. At the end of the playoffs, when they cooled back to earth, there were three great NFC teams, and they were all equally matched.

    But this just in: while Seattle and San Francisco did get better thus far (with Harvin, Boldin and the defensive signees by the Seahawks and the mountain of picks coming for the 49ers), the FALCONS ALSO DID. They just got Stephen Jackson, and everyone here knows what that means. That offense will now be utterly unstoppable. It wouldn't surprise me if both San Francisco and Seattle fall behind them. Of course, it's still a three team race, I think. But do not underestimate that team.


    Steven Jackson is one of my favorite NFL players of all time. It's too bad he has been stuck on such a terrible team for 80% of his career. Guy is the definition of a true professional. Same with Larry Fitzgerald. As much as I dislike their teams, I was never upset when they did well. He is gonna make that offense scary.


    Yeah, class players like that are hard not to root for, unless they are up against my Seahawks! For that matter, much as I hate the whiners, mad props to Frank Gore for being a hell of a player.
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  • bestfightstory wrote:This almost makes me believe the Niners will trade for Revis now, just to keep pace.



    lol... gotta love fans, yes Im sure the Niners decision makers are quaking in their boots and frantically trying to get Revis' agent on the horn.
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  • NinerLifer wrote:Obviously the Niners won't be drafting 13+ players in the draft. No doubt packages will be put together in order to move up to....well wherever they want and pick almost whomever they want.

    And then we will start seeing the reports about how the Niners are NFC favorites again yada yada yada...which will also be pointless as nothing matters until September.



    Exactly.

    Gotta love the offseason Superbowls. :sarcasm_off:
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  • Goldrush wrote:Exactly.

    Gotta love the offseason Superbowls. :sarcasm_off:


    With the 5 Lombardi Trophies in your case, I'd have thought you would know how to spell "Super Bowl" correctly.

    In any case, there are teams that win the off-season championship, from time to time. I'd argue that the 49ers did when they signed Deion Sanders for a year. You guys likely don't win the Super Bowl that year without him.
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  • Dallas did the same...
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  • hawker84 wrote:Dallas did the same...


    Yep; but remember, "there are no off-season championships".

    There are, however, championships that are won with improvements made in the off-season. I'd love to see the 49ers argue against it in terms of drafting Joe Montana. Oh, not a championship off-season when that happened, huh?

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  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    hawker84 wrote:Dallas did the same...


    Yep; but remember, "there are no off-season championships".

    There are, however, championships that are won with improvements made in the off-season. I'd love to see the 49ers argue against it in terms of drafting Joe Montana. Oh, not a championship off-season when that happened, huh?

    *rolls eyes*


    I get your point but I think you are taking it out of context.

    The point is that EVERY year SOMEBODY signs a bunch of players and has a "championship off-season". Most often tho, that off-season doesn't work out the way everyone thinks it will. This has nothing to do with the Seahawks BTW, so don't take this as an insult to the 'hawks. I think it applies much more to teams like the Dolphins who spend stupid money on players that aren't worth anything close to their contracts.

    The 49ers and Seahawks are different because they were already knocking on the Championship door and are adding more talent. I'm not in love with most of the moves the 'hawks have made (tho I actually really do like the Winfield signing for them), but they have gotten better this off-season. I don't like the Harvin move, but it's not because i don't like Harvin...I just think the price was too high and it'll bite them later. That has nothing to do with this year tho. THIS year Harvin will make them a better team. Avril/Bennett.....not wild about those players. Avril in particular benefitted from the Wide 9 stance that Detoit used. I kinda think John Abraham would have been a better signing.

    I like the moves in SF...Boldin, Asomugha, Dorsey. You could say that it's just because I'm a Niner fan, but it's actually for the same reason I liked the Winfield move in Seattle. Older player, motivated, looking for a ring instead of a payday. Boldin doesn't need to be anything more than a #2 or #3 WR. While I'd love Asomugha to prove the world wrong and return to dominance, I know that isn't likely to happen. The price tho is completely worth giving him a chance to see if he can do it. Dorsey is just a replacement for Sopoaga whose play fell off dramatically last year. The one thing that Dorsey did really well in KC was stop the run and that's what he'll be asked to do in SF. Too many people fall into the "he didn't play well in a 3-4 in KC so why did he go to another 3-4 team?" trap. The answer is simple. In a conventional 3-4 he's called on to line up over a player an "two gap", IE guard the gaps on either side of his man. SF doesn't play the 3-4 that way. He'll play 1 gap and will be able to penetrate like a 4-3 DT would.

    Still, the 49ers lost 2 important pieces....Goldson and Walker. The lack of replacements on the roster make it a net negative at this point. Its all about the draft now. The Niners have 13 picks and Seattle has 11. What's important to note tho is that Seattle first pick isn't until the end of round 2 and they have only 3 picks in the first 4 rounds. The Niners have 7.

    My point here is simply that the offseason isn't over yet. The Niners were never going to be big free agent spenders. Next Weekend is when the fun starts. ;-)
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    Goldrush wrote:Exactly.

    Gotta love the offseason Superbowls. :sarcasm_off:


    With the 5 Lombardi Trophies in your case, I'd have thought you would know how to spell "Super Bowl" correctly.

    In any case, there are teams that win the off-season championship, from time to time. I'd argue that the 49ers did when they signed Deion Sanders for a year. You guys likely don't win the Super Bowl that year without him.


    Priceless. Guy wants to have a serious discussion about spelling and who is the best team to have never played an actual game. Knock yourself out dude.
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  • Next weekend is when the fun starts? If your a Niner fan then yes I agree but that is most certainly all going to be based on hype. So yes next weekend the hypes starts and obviously it will be fun for 49er fans. Just remember one thing. You have to play the games. Or in your case, they need to prove they can play at an NFL level and do it better than Jenkins did. Keep this in mind when you get excited about the draft picks you bring in because you and many other Niner fans have been very diligent in pointing out championship off seasons and the only thing worse than winning FA is winning the draft.

    Last year everyone gave the Seahawks a D or worse and then Wagner, Wilson and Irvin happened. In fact the last time I remember the Seahawks having a good draft grade after the draft was when we took Aaron Curry 4th overall.

    If you think the price was to high for Harvin, your going to have a meltdown when/if they resign Crabtree. It is what it is. We as Seahawks fans are hoping this FO that put in a 4 year plan and is now considered one of the best teams in the league coming into the start of their 4th season, actually does have a plan that is being realized but more importantly isn't so short sighted to not think beyond 4 years. I would loved to have gotten harvin for a late 7th and a league minimum contract but it is what it is and assuming it will cost the team dearly in some way in the future ignores that this FO has proven beyond any doubt that they know how to plan and have factored in everything that bringing Harvin in costs.

    I'm gonna trust Pete/John on the Avril signing no matter what his previous scheme. Consider we traded Daryl Tapp to the Eagles for a 4th round pick and Ohh by the way, got them to throw in Chris Clemons who has been a consistent 10+ a year sack guy. I think these guys know how to identify the talent they are looking at and utilize it. Clemmons was an after thought in Philly only to become a complete stud in Seattle.

    Bennett has graded out better than Jason Jones in nearly every statistical category while remaining healthy. Jones was brought in on a prove it contract and proved he couldn't be relied upon to stay healthy but when he was he made us significantly better. Now take that healthy version and improve it in performance and what is not to like about the signing? Unless your a Niner fan of course. But the move makes perfect sense, like it or not.

    You like the Niner moves because you have justified them but from an outside perspective there are much bigger question marks than you or your faithful want to realize. Asomugha is a safe move in that it is cheap but come on now, there is nothing beyond hope that he is a strong addition. Likewise he is not a gamble so no big but really at this point the acquisition should be viewed exactly as the "no big". If he helps then great and if not no big deal.

    Dorsey will be asked to do something he has never done, Play NT. He may have been miscast in KC but that is yet to be proven and the Niners are currently pegging him to be your starter at NT. Truth is he might end up being a very important player but it won't be at NT it will be replacing the 34 year old Justin Smith. That is his natural position in your scheme. Will he be as good as the the #4 overall pick who has been to 4 probowls with all pro honors? I don't know, maybe but that is still to be determined.

    Now lets talk Boldin. I'm a Boldin fan but that is tempered. If the signings were reversed I would be excited about Boldon for his blocking, toughness and professionalism but I would be concerned that Wilson would know how to make Boldin productive. He is not like Harvin that is good at getting open. He is a big body receiver that will man handle DB's and put himself in favorable position to catch a pass. The problem is that most inexperienced QB's don't have the understanding of what that means. They look for receivers to either be open, breaking open or coming back for the ball. When they see a receiver who appears covered they move on to the next target. Keapernick (just like Wilson would) will have to prove he can recognize when Bolden is in position to catch a pass. He will also have to display great touch, finesse and timing to put the ball where Boldin has the best chance to come down with it. This negates Keapernicks arm strength and requires he have the ability to drop the ball into the best position for Boldin. This will actually be a very good test for Keapernick to show he has the cerebral ability to identify and process while also having the touch, finesse and timing to execute the pass. If he doesn't then Boldin is taking up 6 million of your cap space and a roster spot for a position that might have been better suited playing Lockette in.

    If the Niners would have signed Harvin I would be simply crapping my pants and saying I don't like the Harvin move, but it's not because i don't like Harvin...I just think the price was too high and it'll bite them later.
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  • Goldrush wrote:Priceless. Guy wants to have a serious discussion about spelling and who is the best team to have never played an actual game. Knock yourself out dude.


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