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Any chance Hawks give Tyrann Mathieu a sniff? He could fill a spot for a departing Tru and is an excellent return man. I would rather someone other than Percy return kickoffs and save his health?

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Percy wants to return kicks and was told by Pete he would be, so that's gonna happen. He didn't return punts with the Vikings and I suspect that job will go to Golden, but Tyrann would be a nice option for punt return duty


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Didn't we already try Golden as a punt returner, and he fumbled it away.

If we can get the honey badger in the 4, it would be a steal. It would also give us a guy who could potentially take over for Browner if we can resign him.


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I do think we may consider trading down in the 2nd to the 3rd and take him early 3rd.

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Didn't we already try Golden as a punt returner, and he fumbled it away.

If we can get the honey badger in the 4, it would be a steal. It would also give us a guy who could potentially take over for Browner if we can resign him.


He fumbled a couple years ago, but this past preseason Tate returned a punt for a TD. We'll see what happens.

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He is a playmaker who brings something special to the field, if his off field issues are truly in the past I think he'd be a special player to have. Mabye one of the few guys who could defend a guy like perc harvin. Small, qucik, and fast, but plays like bigger and hits like a saftey. I see some Earl Thomas in him and if he could be had in the 3rd or 4th that would be amazing, I don't want o spend our 2nd on him but if that's what it takes to address our nickel and turn it into a strenght then it is probably worth it.

Perfect draft for me

2. LB Aurther Brown/Kaseem Green
3. TE Jordan Reed/Escobar/McDonald/Kelce
4. CB Tyrann Mathaiu
5. WR Aaron Dobson/Hamilton/Harrison
5. DT Kwame Gathers/Montari Hughes

I wouldn't care what happens after that

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That's one of my favorite mock drafts I've seen so far.

Regarding Mathaiu, I'd be surprised if he falls past the 4th round. And if he's there for Seattle, he'll be the pick. It's just a guess, but I don't think nfl coaches look at weed smoking as bad of a thing as CFB coaches and schools do.

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4 reps at 225 at the combine. Watch his last 2 games against Alabama and you'll see him getting pushed around. He's not NFL level good. No thank you.


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4 reps at 225 at the combine. Watch his last 2 games against Alabama and you'll see him getting pushed around. He's not NFL level good. No thank you.


So what is the norm for bench at 220 for defensive back? I don't think it matters.

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He is a playmaker who brings something special to the field, if his off field issues are truly in the past I think he'd be a special player to have. Mabye one of the few guys who could defend a guy like perc harvin. Small, qucik, and fast, but plays like bigger and hits like a saftey. I see some Earl Thomas in him and if he could be had in the 3rd or 4th that would be amazing, I don't want o spend our 2nd on him but if that's what it takes to address our nickel and turn it into a strenght then it is probably worth it.

Perfect draft for me

2. LB Aurther Brown/Kaseem Green
3. TE Jordan Reed/Escobar/McDonald/Kelce
4. CB Tyrann Mathaiu
5. WR Aaron Dobson/Hamilton/Harrison
5. DT Kwame Gathers/Montari Hughes

I wouldn't care what happens after that


One of my favorite mocks as well.

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7 reps was the worst last year out of 30 some odd players. My opinion stems from him against Alabama, which is the most pro level physical team in college ball and he was pushed around. Bench is just another measure of upper body strength when tackling and press coverage. His value is more as a return specialist.


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4 reps at 225 at the combine. Watch his last 2 games against Alabama and you'll see him getting pushed around. He's not NFL level good. No thank you.

Alabama has a way of making good players look bad.

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Won't surprise me if he goes undrafted.


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Won't surprise me if he goes undrafted.



Because he doesn't have the talent or because of off field issues? He is not Vontaz Burfict. Mathiau was a heisman canidate andteam leader. He doesn't have attitude problmes he just had drug problems. Plenty of people have been there and made it out. I think his issues are way overblow. 2 inches and 2 clean drug tests and he's a top 10 pick.

Want to wager something that he gets drafted? I'm confident he will. It is very hard to tell where he will go I think 2nd to 4th is the most likely. He is probably not even on some teams boards so that could make him drop but eventually he will be too talented to pass up. If we are truely all in this year I expect to see a crazy move during the draft.

Trade up in the 2nd for a TE like Ertz, drafting Mathiau in the 2nd to start at nickel from day one, and drafting a WR in the 2nd would all make people say WTF but i could make a good argument for each.

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We should in the latter rounds. His talent isn't the question. He has a better chance to make the team than most later round picks would.


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Wenhawk wrote:
He is a playmaker who brings something special to the field, if his off field issues are truly in the past I think he'd be a special player to have. Mabye one of the few guys who could defend a guy like perc harvin. Small, qucik, and fast, but plays like bigger and hits like a saftey. I see some Earl Thomas in him and if he could be had in the 3rd or 4th that would be amazing, I don't want o spend our 2nd on him but if that's what it takes to address our nickel and turn it into a strenght then it is probably worth it.

Perfect draft for me

2. LB Aurther Brown/Kaseem Green
3. TE Jordan Reed/Escobar/McDonald/Kelce
4. CB Tyrann Mathaiu
5. WR Aaron Dobson/Hamilton/Harrison
5. DT Kwame Gathers/Montari Hughes

I wouldn't care what happens after that


One of my favorite mocks as well.


This should be everyone's favorite mock. But do you really think we could pick 12 players just 5 draft picks?


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He scares me. Both ways. He's a scary talent as a punt returner and, for us,
nickel corner. Really good football player who seems stuck at about age 12
mentally. Willful and a little devious.


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Being a smurf is one thing, but a smerf with multiple off field concerns? No thanks, there are several other players that could fill the slot corner position that don't have a cancer that they bring into the clubhouse. It's not just the multiple weed problems, this guy has maturity and most of all judgement issues that will probably drop him to the later rounds, if he gets drafted at all. Too much of a headache.
He needs to go to the whiners where he can slowly disrupt their clubhouse and bring them all down-IMO.

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If they were to sniff, I think they would find he smells like crap, not honey.


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Wenhawk wrote:
theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
Won't surprise me if he goes undrafted.


Because he doesn't have the talent or because of off field issues?


Both.

Don't get me wrong, he had a knack of making impact plays at LSU. He built a solid reputation on that. But it also masked the sheer extent that he got pushed around, fluffed coverage, showed rank average recovery speed and an inability to wrap up a tackle or challenge in the air. He's basically a short, physically inferior corner without great straight line speed. He makes up for it by just playing with a huge edge. And he should be admired for that. Yet I'm not sure it'll translate to the next level and I think either way he's going to make one great play for every five where he's just dominated.

Off the field I found his interview on NFL AM scary as hell. He's clearly really battling to stay away from drugs. He admitted he couldn't be trusted to be drafted by New Orleans because of the 'wrong crowd' he associates himself with in Louisiana. I think it's going to be permanently a constant battle to stay away from weed and he's going to need a lot of babysitting as a consequence. It'll always be a distraction and the best case scenario is merely that it's a distraction. The worst case is he goes back to it and it ends up dominating his life. I'm not a saint and I don't expect people to live their lives like they are, but Mathieu clearly has grown up with this and it's become second nature to him. It seems like kicking this habit is like a heavy smoker trying to give up the cigs. And personally, I think teams will all look at each other and say - "you deal with this."

Whoever drafts him will want the ability to cut him at a moments notice. So I think R5-7 or UDFA.


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I'd be very happy to get him in the 4th, it's not like we haven't cut a 4th round pick before. I'm sure some of his flaws are coachable, he can't do too much worse than Trufant did but I'd expect more big plays coming from our nickle.

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4 reps at 225 at the combine. Watch his last 2 games against Alabama and you'll see him getting pushed around. He's not NFL level good. No thank you.



Wow. I'm actually stronger than a (potential) NFL DB.

I'm 40

I'll pass


I agree a lot of people make it through drug addiction. Unfortunately, a lot don't. Too risky with an early pick. We don't have picks to burn like SF this year. UDFA or 6-7, I say yes. Anything else is too risky.

But in PC/JS I trust.


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Just like a Game 7 in playoff basketball, BIG GAME football is all about matchups and game changing plays. No second chances. Winner take all. Tyrann Mathieu is my selection at #56, & without a doubt in the 3rd round. He is a dynamic playmaker, game changer, difference maker, and turnover creator. And here are my reasons...

We need quality over quantity these days in Superbowl favorite land people. We have 10 picks and there aren't 10 open roster slots in the final 53. We all love the fact that we are closer than we have ever been to winning it all... so, lets get real. Its football. One year ago, this guy is a top quality, ultra talented, 'Ball So Hard' top ten pick!!! Mark my words, a month from now... it would be a Russell Wilson style draft coup to get this guy at 56, let alone 87.

Forget 2nd round DTs & LBs, we can get those in the later rounds. What we need desperately is a better nickel CB to help us get off the field on 3rd downs, thus, I bring Mathieu into the fold as the missing "Fifth element" of the Legion of Boom.

Get him out of friggin' LSUisiana, let bygones be bygones, and let him feel a whole "new family" feeling of the Team, the 12th Man, and a sold out Century Link rockin' a high like no other! Besides, all it would take for Tyrann is creating a bigtime turnover vs. the Whiners, or returning a punt for a TD at the C-Link, and he'd be 'hooked' on a whole new healthy lifestyle.

Did Bruce Irvin have ATL regional history, major baggage, and was he a "risky pick"? YES.
Did he get into trouble and revert to his old ways? A RESOUNDING NO.

Before we went JS/PC crazy in freeagency, and got real playmaker/game changer in Percy Harvin for the slot, and 2 of the best 3 available passrushing DEs, I would have considered DE in Rd. 1, and Zach Ertz and/or Ryan Swope at #56 as similar 12th man fan favorites who would make a difference as offensive 3rd down specialists. The goal being in my mind to try and gain more first downs and keep opposing high powered offenses off the field. After all, it wasn't so long ago we were scoring approximately 20 points a game y'know... and we can't always play from 2 or 3 TDs behind and expect road playoff miracles. Sure, if we score 50 every week? No problem...

BUT... our biggest obstacles to Superbowl Immmortality are the Falcons, the 49ers, and Peyton Manning and the Denver Broncos. To win those BIGTIME games we need to win the turnover battle, get off the field on third downs, and get the ball back into the potent hands of Russell Wilson and Company. Sure, now, we can score... but to win the Lombardi Trophy we need to prevent the 49ers, Falcons, and Broncos from scoring more.

In summation, the pick is the 'HoneyBadger', Tyrann Mathieu, CB, LSU.
"The Look" on the field is like so...
On "basic" third downs, we take runstuffers Red, KJ, and Morgan off... Bring in Irvin, Mathieu, & Bennett... drop Chancellor to the coverageLB... & go with 5 pass rushers, Bobby Wagner and "OUR 5" vs. "THEIR 5". (D-line/defensive backs vs. o-line/offensive backs) like so...

{M.Ryan}
{Clabo, Konz, McClure, Blalock, S. Baker}
{R. White, J. Rogers, H. Douglas, Gonzalez, J. Jones}

[Kaepernick]
[A. Davis, Iupati, Goodwin, Boone, Staley]
[Crabtree, L. James, Boldin, V. Davis, Moss]

(P. Manning)
(Franklin, Ramirez, Koppen, Beadles, Clady)
(Decker, Moreno, Stokley, Tamme, D. Thomas)

vs.
Irvin, Avril, Mebane, Bennett, Clemens
B. Wagner
Sherman, Mathieu, Thomas, Chancellor, Browner


I believe with our newfound passrush specialists, and a "playmaking nickel corner with Legion of Boom attitude" at #56, (let alone #87) we can legitimately lineup with, and defeat, ANYBODY.

And to me, that smells like Superbowl victory. :D
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http://www.fieldgulls.com/nfl-draft/201 ... u-seahawks

"Tyrann Mathieu is not as fast as your typical slot DB. He ran a 4.5 at the combine. He's short, standing only 5'9" tall (for reference though, Antoine Winfield is 5'9, 180). He spazzed while doing his bench press workout and only notched a pathetic four reps. But as Seahawk fans, and followers of Pete Carroll's and John Schneider's philosophies, we have to look at what a player can do, instead of what he can't do. We all know by now that Pete and John never write off a player simply due to his measurables (especially height!). What Tyrann possesses is a once in a generation playmaking ability. The simple fact that a player that small could, in two seasons (one where he was only a backup), force 11 fumbles, record 133 tackles, 16 for loss, 6 sacks, and 4 picks speaks volumes to this kid's playmaking ability. Watch his highlight film."

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Slot corner is without doubt one of the hardest positions to play in the NFL. Look how Richard Sherman got on against Stevie Johnson. Probably Sherm's worst game of the season and he was forced inside to track Buffalo's only legit target. There are hardly any 'great' slot corners in the league because by it's hard to be great playing the position. And you're not just watching the Welker's and Johnson's off this world, you're also looking after the Gronk's and Gonzalez's out there.

Mathieu's best fit in the league IMO is free safety. Centre field. It'll emphasize what he's good at.


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Mathieu's best fit in the league IMO is free safety. Centre field. It'll emphasize what he's good at.


Agree 100%. I think that knack or "it" factor he has screams free safety.

I would love for him to fall to the 4th, and have the Hawks add him to compete at slot and back up Earl. But, some other team will take him before that.


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