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 Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence
 Post Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:26 am 
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As soon as someone comes up with a gun control plan that actually works, I am game. But the thing is, in all like 50 years of how many different countries trying to, and none of them have come up with anything that even close to remotely works? One country will ban guns and have a less violent country, but then you will have a country like brazil that bans guns yet has the highest murder rate involving firearms. There is no consistent proof that any plan works or has worked. It has to deal too much with the culture of the country and so many other limitless factors.


The pro gun-control crowd on here is going to jump on here and tell you that you aren't allowed to use Latin-American countries as examples of why gun-control doesn't work. You're supposed to ignore them...and ignore Russia, and then look toward the European countries as examples. Why? Some bullshit about GDP and economic status. It's quite funny, really.


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bbsplitter wrote:
As soon as someone comes up with a gun control plan that actually works, I am game. But the thing is, in all like 50 years of how many different countries trying to, and none of them have come up with anything that even close to remotely works? One country will ban guns and have a less violent country, but then you will have a country like brazil that bans guns yet has the highest murder rate involving firearms. There is no consistent proof that any plan works or has worked. It has to deal too much with the culture of the country and so many other limitless factors.


The pro gun-control crowd on here is going to jump on here and tell you that you aren't allowed to use Latin-American countries as examples of why gun-control doesn't work. You're supposed to ignore them...and ignore Russia, and then look toward the European countries as examples. Why? Some bullshit about GDP and economic status. It's quite funny, really.


Australia has a similar history to America with their guns and gun culture. Settlers used them for hunting, protection, killing aboriginals, and dueling. Gun violence started getting out of hand and gun control was put in place. More recently very stringent gun control has been put in place after a lunatic committed a senseless massacre on innocent victims. The results they are seeing from their legislation is very positive and is proving very effective.


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As soon as someone comes up with a gun control plan that actually works, I am game. But the thing is, in all like 50 years of how many different countries trying to, and none of them have come up with anything that even close to remotely works? One country will ban guns and have a less violent country, but then you will have a country like brazil that bans guns yet has the highest murder rate involving firearms. There is no consistent proof that any plan works or has worked. It has to deal too much with the culture of the country and so many other limitless factors.


The pro gun-control crowd on here is going to jump on here and tell you that you aren't allowed to use Latin-American countries as examples of why gun-control doesn't work. You're supposed to ignore them...and ignore Russia, and then look toward the European countries as examples. Why? Some bullshit about GDP and economic status. It's quite funny, really.


Australia has a similar history to America with their guns and gun culture. Settlers used them for hunting, protection, killing aboriginals, and dueling. Gun violence started getting out of hand and gun control was put in place. More recently very stringent gun control has been put in place after a lunatic committed a senseless massacre on innocent victims. The results they are seeing from their legislation is very positive and is proving very effective.


True, however American's gun violence has been dropping steadily for the past 20 years despite any major gun control laws.

And taking a look at Australia's timeline, I'm not showing much of a difference in the downward trend of homicides than what's going on here in the United States.

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/curr ... paper.html


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Here's an interesting article on this subject: http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/04/02/shooting-holes-in-mayor-bloombergs-anti-gun-propaganda-ten-bullet-points/

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4. Gun Laws are Racist

Liberal anti-gun politicos might be disquieted to learn that gun legislation dating back to the 19th century placed high taxes and bans on inexpensive guns in southern states specifically to prevent purchases by poor blacks and whites. Later, the Gun Control Act of 1968 was precipitated during 1965-1967, when an unprecedented number of race riots broke out in 125 American cities, including the Los Angeles Watts area, Detroit, and Newark. Violent revolution threats issued by Stokely Carmichael and other Black Panthers fueled public paranoia, as did national media coverage of angry crowd confrontations with police at the 1968 Democratic Convention in Chicago.

Gun control actions targeted on public housing projects established more legislative precedents. Chicago’s “Operation Clean Sweep” (1988) aimed at confiscation of firearms and illegal narcotics allowed police to conduct warrantless searches in predominately black Chicago Housing Authority buildings, and arrest anyone who resisted or interfered


Just because gun legislation has been racist, doesn't mean it has to be racist. Silly argument, IMO.

Other than that, nothing really new in that article. A few examples of situations where if somebody else had been (allowed to be) armed then things may or may not have turned out differently. Really, the list could have just been:

1. Some people feel safer carrying guns. Those people are right. Here's some examples to support that stance and none that go against it.

Admittedly I read through that article pretty quickly. If anybody else noticed anything mind-changing feel free to point it out.

Oh, and here's the liberal response:

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/0433b3 ... jim-carrey

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Man, makes you think, doesn't it? I mean, war, yeah? What is it good for?


Is it sad that I got that?


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Sac, your avatar goes perfectly with the above post.

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Fenderbender, gun violence has been dropping because of Roe v Wade. True bill (thanks peaches)

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Fenderbender, gun violence has been dropping because of Roe v Wade. True bill (thanks peaches)


That is true. As distasteful as abortion is to some, it attacks the root of the gun violence problem in the United States far more effectively than gun control could under best case scenarios.

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Fenderbender, gun violence has been dropping because of Roe v Wade. True bill (thanks peaches)


That is true. As distasteful as abortion is to some, it attacks the root of the gun violence problem in the United States far more effectively than gun control could under best case scenarios.


So, in theory, there actually ARE politicians for gun control. The Dems are too limp-wristed to back any gun-control with teeth. But, by default, by supporting abortion, they support gun control.

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Fenderbender, gun violence has been dropping because of Roe v Wade. True bill (thanks peaches)


Aye, you're welcome, aye.

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Man, makes you think, doesn't it? I mean, war, yeah? What is it good for?


Is it sad that I got that?



This comment makes me think of a quote in the first Karate Kid.

"Was doesn't decide who is best, war decides who is left".

A very sad but telling commentary on war.

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http://www.secretsofthefed.com/video-fifteen-year-old-young-lady-leaves-maryland-anti-gun-politicians-speechless-video/

Oh, and Les: the Karate Kid is now older than Mister Miyagi was at the time that movie was made.

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fenderbender123 wrote:
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As soon as someone comes up with a gun control plan that actually works, I am game. But the thing is, in all like 50 years of how many different countries trying to, and none of them have come up with anything that even close to remotely works? One country will ban guns and have a less violent country, but then you will have a country like brazil that bans guns yet has the highest murder rate involving firearms. There is no consistent proof that any plan works or has worked. It has to deal too much with the culture of the country and so many other limitless factors.


The pro gun-control crowd on here is going to jump on here and tell you that you aren't allowed to use Latin-American countries as examples of why gun-control doesn't work. You're supposed to ignore them...and ignore Russia, and then look toward the European countries as examples. Why? Some bullshit about GDP and economic status. It's quite funny, really.


Australia has a similar history to America with their guns and gun culture. Settlers used them for hunting, protection, killing aboriginals, and dueling. Gun violence started getting out of hand and gun control was put in place. More recently very stringent gun control has been put in place after a lunatic committed a senseless massacre on innocent victims. The results they are seeing from their legislation is very positive and is proving very effective.


Australia hardly had an issue with gun violence being "out of hand". The ban came as a knee jerk, feel good reaction to a single, isolated tragedy. It's believed that many rural Aussies did not relinquish their arms but instead buried them. Over the years, some 3 million SKS rifles were imported to Australia, yet only a few hundred thousand showed up during the buybacks. It's pretty well known, in gun enthusiast circles anyway, that many Australians buried their firearms.

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Maybe the government should just issue everyone a gun and let us figure it out on our own.


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You realize that Obama knows more than all you people. He personally can attest that the shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School were done with a FULLY AUTOMATIC weapon.


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Now, over the next couple of months, we’ve got a couple of issues: gun control. (Applause.) I just came from Denver, where the issue of gun violence is something that has haunted families for way too long, and it is possible for us to create common-sense gun safety measures that respect the traditions of gun ownership in this country and hunters and sportsmen, but also make sure that we don’t have another 20 children in a classroom gunned down by a semiautomatic weapon -- by a fully automatic weapon in that case, sadly.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/04/04/remarks-president-dccc-event-san-francisco-ca


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