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 Post subject: Is the offense "complete"?
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I see 11 of those 14 on the field the majority of the game. Are we done? Are we still missing anything?

IMO that is a dream offense. When the Cardinals went to the Superbowl and lost in the final minute to the Steelers, they had Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin (both in their prime) and Kurt Warner (at the end of his career) and not much of a running game. With the offensive weapons we'll be trotting out next season we have playmakers at every position. We have a QB who can run or pass, we have a WR who can line up anywhere and is a homerun threat everytime he touches the ball. We have two WR who can throw beautiful TD passes...

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We STILL need Carpenter to remain healthy @ LG. And if that's the case, I would prefer an upgrade @ RT. And preferably RG as well, if neither Sweezy or Moffit can step it up. Sweezy has potential I think, but until he cleans things up, he's still a project. And just the fact that Moffit didn't start over him, leads me to believe that the team isn't necessarily too impressed- which is enough for me to downplay him, as much as I like his personality and believe he's great in the locker room. So in other words, I would gladly take some help on the O-line.

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The pieces are there for sure. Any additions, to me, are nitpicking at his point and depend on your overall offensive philosophy.

I still have high hopes for Carp there. Look what happened to Unger and Okung at the three year mark.

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 Post subject: Re: Is the offense "complete"?
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I'd say the core of the offense is on the roster, but with as much two tightend sets the hawks run, I'd like to see an upgrade over McCoy with a better receiver, YAC type.

I'd also like a speed RB added to replace Leon.

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nategreat wrote:
We STILL need Carpenter to remain healthy @ LG. And if that's the case, I would prefer an upgrade @ RT. And preferably RG as well, if neither Sweezy or Moffit can step it up. So in other words, I would gladly take some help on the O-line.


Breno graded out pretty highly at RT, and cut down on the flags a lot by the end of the season. I think the idea of upgrading ANY position sounds great on paper, but the likelyhood of doing that at RT will be harder than most people think.

I 100% agree with you though, LG/RG are really the only spots that are wild cards for me on offense.

To Jester's OP, this is as complete of an offense as we have fielded in a LONG time (maybe ever). And we aren't even half way through the offseason yet.

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Get us a pro bowler right guard and we are set on offense although id love to have Reggie Bush on our roster also.


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Move TE is about it in my opinion, don't really have space for a big Mike Williams type at this point. And a scat back behind Turbs and Marshawn.


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i would say another pass catching tight end to compliment Miller and push McCoy. I could live with Breno another season at RT if we couldn't find some where better as it was stated already that he did cut down on his penalties as the season wore on.


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i don't think we need to address TE at all, i'm happy with McCoy behind Miller... just needs to get a little more consistant.. but he's shown he can come up with big plays.. and Miller was off the Charts last part of the season..

i think they should focus on defense at this point.

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I don't know about complete, but probably adequate. As already mentioned, some retooling of the OL is likely in order. And another wideout. I really have grown to covet Va Tech WR Marcus Davis. 6'4, 230. 44" vert / 4.37 40. Could be a steal in the 4th/5th rd and surprise a lot of people.


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I'd also like a speed RB added to replace Leon.


Harvin and Tate can both be that speed guy being used with the occasional end around, or in the screen game to supplement the power run attack.

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Add either Sefarian Jenkins or Colt Lyerla in next year's 1st round, then its complete.

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Pass blocking. Whether it's new blood or upskilling the guys that are there,
Russell needs just a little more time.

I hope they re-sign Frank Omiyale who provided good play when he was needed.


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I'd say the core of the offense is on the roster, but with as much two tightend sets the hawks run, I'd like to see an upgrade over McCoy with a better receiver, YAC type.

I'd also like a speed RB added to replace Leon.


I think McCoy is just fine as depth for Miller. He was really solid as a second TE last year. What I'd like to see is that H-back/Joker type of tight end added to the group, but if we go into the season with just Miller and McCoy, I'll be comfortable with that.

From what I've seen on him, I don't think it's all that much of a stretch to envision Harvin in the back field as the 3rd down back. In 2011 Harvin rushed 52 times for 350 with a 6.6 yard average. That's pretty consistent with anything Leon's ever done as a "change of pace", and I think we'd all agree that Harvin is a much bigger receiving threat than Leon. That would be a pretty dynamic look actually; 3 wide with Rice, Tate, Baldwin and Miller at TE with Harvin in the backfield. The possibilities out of a look like that are almost endless... Trips, trips bunch, read option... read option end around out of trips bunch... read option end around WR pass to a streaking Russell Wilson down the sideline... omg... it's crazier than Tecmo Bowl.

The O-line is pretty solid IMO, just need to get Carp healthy. Okung and Unger are all world talents as far as I'm concerned. Carp looked pretty good at LG, but needs to stay healthy (I still have lots of hope for him). Breno's really pulled up his socks with the bonehead stuff and was pretty good last year. Sure we could upgrade, but it's not a huge need right now. If there's a weak spot, it's RG. Either Sweezy or Moffitt really needs to step up and take over the position this year. Glad to have McQuistan though. Guy is a swill army knife. Omiyale and Lemuel seem to be pretty solid back ups.

So yeah, I'd say the offense is about as complete as you can ever hope to get anything complete in today's NFL.

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I'd also like a speed RB added to replace Leon.


Harvin and Tate can both be that speed guy being used with the occasional end around, or in the screen game to supplement the power run attack.


True, but we are going to need to have 3 RB on the depth chart, regardless, IMO. And with Beast Mode and Turbin having somewhat similar styles, I would prefer a speed-back type as a change of pace- someone like Kendall Hunter or LaMichael James. I'm sure this can be found in the draft.

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I'd also like a speed RB added to replace Leon.


Harvin and Tate can both be that speed guy being used with the occasional end around, or in the screen game to supplement the power run attack.


True, but we are going to need to have 3 RB on the depth chart, regardless, IMO. And with Beast Mode and Turbin having somewhat similar styles, I would prefer a speed-back type as a change of pace- someone like Kendall Hunter or LaMichael James. I'm sure this can be found in the draft.


If the have 3 RBs, it will most likely be for the sake of special teams, and obviously not on returns. Turbin as big as he is, really is more of a COP than Lynch. They loved using Turbin on third down last year, and I think that continues into next. Harvin/Tate both have the ability to be scatbacks, with Turbin providing the more traditional change of pace. If they do keep a 3rd I don't see a situation, outside of injury or simply blowing a team out of the water, where we see him on the field much on offense.

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I'd also like a speed RB added to replace Leon.


Harvin and Tate can both be that speed guy being used with the occasional end around, or in the screen game to supplement the power run attack.


True, but we are going to need to have 3 RB on the depth chart, regardless, IMO. And with Beast Mode and Turbin having somewhat similar styles, I would prefer a speed-back type as a change of pace- someone like Kendall Hunter or LaMichael James. I'm sure this can be found in the draft.


Honestly I don't see a specific need for a 3rd RB on the roster. I can see us drafting one later in the draft and maybe putting them on the practice squad, but Leon was pretty much just there for special teams and really only played RB very rarely.

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We need one of our three young guards to become what we hope they can be . . . and we need long term upgrades to Giacomini and McQuistan.

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I would rather see Michael Robinson's eventual replacement as a 3rd RB. Love MRob but he is 30 this year, we gotta get the FBOTF on the roster NOW!

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Honestly I don't see a specific need for a 3rd RB on the roster. I can see us drafting one later in the draft and maybe putting them on the practice squad, but Leon was pretty much just there for special teams and really only played RB very rarely.


It'd be different but I guess it could be possible. 2 QB's, 2 RB's free's up a lot of space. Keep some on PS ready to go with Robinson, Harvin, and Golden able to fill extreme injury needs, spot carries. Doubt they actually would do it, like near 0% in my opinion, too much injury risk at RB and we like to run the ball a lot. But it'd allow serious roster flexibility.


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Honestly I don't see a specific need for a 3rd RB on the roster. I can see us drafting one later in the draft and maybe putting them on the practice squad, but Leon was pretty much just there for special teams and really only played RB very rarely.


True. And I agree, I don't think we necessarily SHOULD have a 3rd RB on the roster. But at the RB position, injuries happen all of the time, and you never know when the next man needs to be able to step up. So it's not to see the field much, as it is more a safety net. I don't know how Pete and John see it though, obviously. They only carried two QBs on the roster, so maybe their mindset is the same for RBs. But RBs are more at risk for injury IMO, and they don't take all the snaps like a QB does.

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I'd also like a speed RB added to replace Leon.


Harvin and Tate can both be that speed guy being used with the occasional end around, or in the screen game to supplement the power run attack.

I'm envisioning a speedy 3rd RB as a backup returner and depth at RB more than anything else. Lynch and Turbin should still get 95% of the snaps, but depth is still vital considering the physical nature of Lynch.

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O-line and TE depth are the only areas that need to be upgraded IMO. We get some depth there, watch out.

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We still need Sidney Rice insurance and an upgrade at TE would be nice. But for the most part, yes.


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I'd say the core of the offense is on the roster, but with as much two tightend sets the hawks run, I'd like to see an upgrade over McCoy with a better receiver, YAC type.

I'd also like a speed RB added to replace Leon.


I think McCoy is just fine as depth for Miller. He was really solid as a second TE last year. What I'd like to see is that H-back/Joker type of tight end added to the group, but if we go into the season with just Miller and McCoy, I'll be comfortable with that.


I'd be fine with that too, but I think McCoys big plays were more a result of the position he plays as the #2 tightend in a bootleg offense than him creating matchup problems and making big time individual plays. An athletic, receiver type like Reed or Escobar (or Eifert had we had our first round pick) would be that ideal #2, IMO. I'm also a fan of Kelce who would be an upgrade over McCoy as well as the all-around backup to Miller but can block and catch better than AM.

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I would rather see Michael Robinson's eventual replacement as a 3rd RB. Love MRob but he is 30 this year, we gotta get the FBOTF on the roster NOW!


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I'd like better depth on the O-line .


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I'd like better depth on the O-line .


I'd like better starters on the oline.

Giacomini and McQuistan are both slightly older players who could be upgraded long term.

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We need one of our three young guards to become what we hope they can be . . . and we need long term upgrades to Giacomini and McQuistan.


I know the guy is the new .NET whipping boy, but Breno is only 27 and he doesn't have that many miles on him. And he's cheap. I'm not sure why everyone is falling over themselves to 'upgrade'. It was in a different thread, by a smarter poster than me, but the challenge was posed: Name 3 starting right tackles in the NFL not including the Seahawks. I consider myself fairly NFL savvy, and I can't do it.

Also, McQuistan was really quite good for us last year. I swear, unless we have the 49ers o-line, some people are never going to be happy.

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I'd say the core of the offense is on the roster, but with as much two tightend sets the hawks run, I'd like to see an upgrade over McCoy with a better receiver, YAC type.

I'd also like a speed RB added to replace Leon.


I think McCoy is just fine as depth for Miller. He was really solid as a second TE last year. What I'd like to see is that H-back/Joker type of tight end added to the group, but if we go into the season with just Miller and McCoy, I'll be comfortable with that.


I'd be fine with that too, but I think McCoys big plays were more a result of the position he plays as the #2 tightend in a bootleg offense than him creating matchup problems and making big time individual plays. An athletic, receiver type like Reed or Escobar (or Eifert had we had our first round pick) would be that ideal #2, IMO. I'm also a fan of Kelce who would be an upgrade over McCoy as well as the all-around backup to Miller but can block and catch better than AM.


Well, you could say that about most #2 TE's. It's a bit of a mismatch game. As long as you can get a guy in there who's good enough to not totally shit the bed when the ball comes his way, they'll produce. McCoy does not shit the bed. Yes we could improve on him, but i wouldn't call it a priority at this point.

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We need one of our three young guards to become what we hope they can be . . . and we need long term upgrades to Giacomini and McQuistan.


I know the guy is the new .NET whipping boy, but Breno is only 27 and he doesn't have that many miles on him. And he's cheap. I'm not sure why everyone is falling over themselves to 'upgrade'. It was in a different thread, by a smarter poster than me, but the challenge was posed: Name 3 starting right tackles in the NFL not including the Seahawks. I consider myself fairly NFL savvy, and I can't do it.

Also, McQuistan was really quite good for us last year. I swear, unless we have the 49ers o-line, some people are never going to be happy.


That last sentence is true.

Breno is making $3.5 million this year. He's not cheap. He's an average tackle, which makes him one of our worst starters.

If we can upgrade, we should.

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We still need a Rook FB to develop the skills for when MR decides to hang it up, and another developmental WR should one of our starters get banged up AGAIN.
Obo has had pleanty of time to strut his stuff, i think it's time to move on from that experiment, next up, Ryan Swope.


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In the short term, I'd say yes.

We do however need to begin the process of adding players to compete and succeed some of our starters that may not get resigned.

Tate
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Miller
Carpenter

Those are guys that will command large salaries. This is still a good year for WR, and I would not be surprised to see us still take one. Getting a solid outside target can be difficult and take more than one attempt to resolve.

Even if you expect Rice and Miller to sign for less -- they will still command hefty salary numbers. They won't fit salary wise when it comes to locking up players on the defense. Okung and Thomas are going to get big numbers and that won't allow for us to keep most, if not all of these guys. Sherman and Wilson will follow suit shortly thereafter.

I don't see us needing to fill holes offensively. But I do see us needing to preemptively fill needs in the near future. Our salary outlay on that side of the ball is very large and our very best offensive players are still on their rookie deals. If we don't address DT early, I could still see us taking guys to replicate Tate and Rice on day 2.

It remains unclear what the Harvin deal means in terms of how Pete/John see this DT pool. About the only thing I can take from it, is that there isn't one guy we are really solid on that would have necessitated us using #25 to get him.

Last year was supposed to be a good year for big WRs. And it was a perceived position of need. But it turned out we didn't like that pocket of talent at all. It's entirely possible we don't like this DT class much either.


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Miller and Rice will not be re-signed if/when their contracts expire.

Tate probably doesn't have a future here.

Carpenter hasn't done a thing to warrant a big second contract from anyone.

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For me, the TE position needs one more guy, and I would like a good 3rd running back. Running back is one of those spots where you can be three deep one week, and 0 deep the next. And need I remind everyone about the 2010 Bears playoff game where a lack of depth on the TE spot killed our offense?

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we need a quick change-of-pace back who can run for average; and another big, te/wr target. also, o-line depth...


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I think for the most part everything is in place, however I think an upgrade at TE would be really beneficial. Miller shows flashes of being a big play maker but he is not someone I would heavily rely on such as Gonzales or Gronk. Obviously a player of those magnitudes would be very costly but I think an upgrade over McCoy is needed non the less.

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Also Giacomini needs upgrading after his contract is up. Im reminded of the hawks first game of the season against the cardinals and all his false starts. He looked awful that game. He did get a lot better but I just don't like him for this team.

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Tate probably doesn't have a future here.


Why not??

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The offensive line, as others have said, a healthy Carpenter, solid replacement for right tackle, but as well I think depth on an offensive line is important and I like guys with a bit of versatility between guard and tackle. I'd like to see us draft at least two solid offensive linemen of the pass protecting kind.

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Tate probably doesn't have a future here.


Why not??


Things could change, but when you've got 30 million+ per season tied up in Rice, Harvin and Miller, it kind of puts you in your place.

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I could see them resigning Rice and grabbing another wideout in the draft. Tate, while talented is expendable due to the amount of receivers we have and will have if we get another in the draft plus he will likely demand a pretty penny.

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I guess if I graded the offense - it would go this way - I'd be happy to start any season with these blessings - so in response to the OP, I think we're basically done with the upgrades.

QB: Starter A, Backup B - Russell Wilson - amazing first year, no reason to suspect a drop off, Flynn is a capable backup and I feel very good about it. QB3 - not relevant for this dialogue
RB: Starter A, Backup B- Lynch has had minor injuries the past two years, but has played through it. Without Washington, you lose a lot of football IQ and experience. Turbin is a capable backup. RB3 might be a nice add
WR: Starters B, Depth B - Like that Rice stayed healthy last year, but still plays in a way that gives me fear about his durability. Harvin, again not much in the way of full seasons - but so versatile and love that testimonial from AP's Twitter post. Tate, Baldwin - nice pieces. Might need a WR5 in the draft or is Kearse the guy?
TE: Starter A-, Depth B - I really like what we have here. Perhaps one more for depth - interested to see what Fells has. I really love McCoy - great swagger and explosive.
OL: Starters B, Depth B- - Would love to say everything is locked up - but like the overall depth due to the ZBS - some players are exceeding expectations while stars are shining (Okung, Unger). A lot of guys played meaningful downs last year - love that.

The amazing part about the offense is its interchangeable parts and flexibility of formations. The read-option gave even more life to the running game last season - so with the addition of Harvin, I expect that trend to continue. This is a team that scored among the leaders in the 2nd half. I don't expect that to change. As a matter of fact, I think this team might score more than any other Seahawk team.

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I don't think the term "complete" means much of anything in the NFL. There's always something to be improved, some new weapon to be added. So if you're asking whether I'd be comfortable going into the season with our offense looking like this, I'd say absolutely. But if you're asking whether there isn't any place left to upgrade, I'd say no.

But specifically, I think there are one or two spots they're probably still looking to upgrade. The main one is the big-bodied receiver/TE. Look at some of the moves they've made in the past three years and I think it's clear that they are looking to fill a particular role: BMW, Winslow, Durham, Edwards, Even Moore... probably some others I'm not thinking about. Oh, right, that new basketball player, Darren Fells. It seems like they really envision a player like that as part of their ideal offense. McCoy could be that guy, but I think if he was going to do that full time it would have happened last year.

And then, yeah, the line. Everyone pretty much covered that though. If you don't have probowlers at every spot there I think you're always looking to improve.


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I'd say the core of the offense is on the roster, but with as much two tightend sets the hawks run, I'd like to see an upgrade over McCoy with a better receiver, YAC type.

I'd also like a speed RB added to replace Leon.

Ditto. I'd like us to trade with Oakland to get Taiwan Jones, because they never really gave him a fair shake at RB (they're switching him to CB). Look up his college tape, the dude is low 4.3 fast and shifty as hell, great balance. Just needs to hold onto the ball better.

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I think there is a little too much belief that golden tate is a failed percy harvin.
If anything golden tate is a guy who can do a good percy harvin imitation, but is secretly a good over the top guy.
Go back and look at all the big first scores we had. Aside from the two big ones in chicago and of course the pats, tate was always our deep guy.

I feel with Percy Harvin doing REAL Percy Harvin stuff, golden Tate is free to streak until he just gets tired of touchdowns. Tate might actually look better.

im sitting here watching the seahawks/vikings game on dvr, we just got to the point where adrian bitch slapped us to first and goal. God ponder is horrible.

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With a lot of people bringing up TE, I wonder how Morrah's recovery is going. He seemed to be pretty decent with some solid upside.

I have been very critical of Giacomini, but watching tape he seemed to be trying to cheat over a little to help whoever was playing right guard except when McQuistan was in, so I have given him a little more benefit of the doubt. He is solid.

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An offensive line is never complete. #AlwaysBeDraftingOline


It seems as inevitable as the tides, that Seattle will take a CB, S and OL in day 3 of every draft. Looks like this is where we like to infuse new development prospects at those positions.

I also don't expect we'll ever take an OL on day 1 until we're looking for a LT. I believe those days are officially over.


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