ImTheScientist wrote:This guy is the closest thing to beast mode we will ever see. You got a glimpse of that yesterday. He was instantly my favorite player when they signed him. Give the dude a chance and don't overreact or overthink preseason. Go Hawks. Lacy will rush for 1,100 and 10TDs. Bend the knee.
Hasselbeck wrote:Still wouldn't surprise me to see JS get our 7th back for Leon.. basically making it a 1st and 4th for Harvin.
Teqneek wrote:I guess I'm not seeing why we cut our special teams record holder? Solid field position player, to have our potential 10 mil a year receiver return kicks, and not have a nice solid 3rd back as an option. When for the same money we can say good by to Ben Obomanu and a few others, that would make just more of a logical impact from a salary standard vs removing our spark in the Special teams department to remove the same cap.
Criticial Success Player vs 30 percent Snap guys (one highly overpaid)
bestfightstory wrote:Hasselbeck wrote:Still wouldn't surprise me to see JS get our 7th back for Leon.. basically making it a 1st and 4th for Harvin.
Crossed my mind, as well.
Then he will get a 4th or better from Jax/Jets/Browns for Flynn.
ImTheScientist wrote:This guy is the closest thing to beast mode we will ever see. You got a glimpse of that yesterday. He was instantly my favorite player when they signed him. Give the dude a chance and don't overreact or overthink preseason. Go Hawks. Lacy will rush for 1,100 and 10TDs. Bend the knee.
djb28 wrote: Stop paying the guy with the bird during home games or something!
Teqneek wrote:I guess I'm not seeing why we cut our special teams record holder? Solid field position player, to have our potential 10 mil a year receiver return kicks, and not have a nice solid 3rd back as an option. When for the same money we can say good by to Ben Obomanu and a few others, that would make just more of a logical impact from a salary standard vs removing our spark in the Special teams department to remove the same cap.
Criticial Success Player vs 30 percent Snap guys (one highly overpaid)
bestfightstory wrote:djb28 wrote: Stop paying the guy with the bird during home games or something!
Sacrilege.
TwistedHusky wrote:This is one of the biggest problems with this trade.
Yes, we got additional value.
But the difference between the value the player had vs the aggregate value this player brings to us vs the old roster is pretty wide.
We paid a premium for value we already had. The 49ers had a massive hole at WR, we didn't. We just had an average corps.
We already had a very very good kick returner, so getting that additional value from Harvin is not really that great. Even worse, it just puts our supposed star performer in a position to get injured. And it does not help that we are bringing in a guy to supplant a guy that was busting his tail for this team, and was improving every year (Tate)
One giant need was a WR to stretch the field, and we got that. But another giant need is still our DL which was not only not addressed but is going to be harder to address with the giant cap monkey on our back from this signing. Special teams return guys was not a glaring need. And I would even submit our defensive line needed more help than our WR group did.
We were really close, and maybe this puts us over the top. It also potentially brings a bad attitude into the team while irritating guys that busted their tails for us.
In the end, the trade will be measured by whether or not we get to the SuperBowl. If we do, then it is a clear benefit. If not, then it will probably be a situation where something a little more specific into areas of weakness might have been a better option.
I am on the fence with this one, we will see.
bestfightstory wrote:Teqneek wrote:I guess I'm not seeing why we cut our special teams record holder? Solid field position player, to have our potential 10 mil a year receiver return kicks, and not have a nice solid 3rd back as an option. When for the same money we can say good by to Ben Obomanu and a few others, that would make just more of a logical impact from a salary standard vs removing our spark in the Special teams department to remove the same cap.
Criticial Success Player vs 30 percent Snap guys (one highly overpaid)
The counterargument would be that Harvin/Tate replaces most of what Leon provides and the absence of Leon allows us to fill his roster spot with an additional D-Lineman, maybe?
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