What Vikings fans are saying about the Percy Harvins trade..

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I think Minnesota won the trade more than we did. A #25 pick in a year where the 25th pick is almost as good as the 5th pick is, plus a 7th and a future mid rounder ("likely a 3rd"). Plus all the cap space saved. This is also a ridiculously loaded draft for WR. All of this for a player that had they kept him would have held out, played the minimum, and then left in 2014. This is a HUGE win for the Vikings, on par with the epic win the 49ers got when trading Smith.

From our end, I think the trade was worth it, but at an extremely heavy cost. So overall, I'd say that I'm supportive of the trade and I'm very excited to have Harvin in our offense, but I wouldn't have personally made it myself. Schefter hinted at Harvin getting close to $16 million per. If that's $13 or $14 million, factored with the draft pick cost, it's like trading 3 or 4 good players for Harvin. So he'd need to be King Shit for us just to break even. I think he will be, and Seattle is at a place on their roster where 1 elite player means way more than 1 good player since our roster is so incredibly good right now. Still, I think we did okay, I think they did outstanding. Win-win, but they won more than we did, IMO.

This is kind of where I'm at. Minnesota did well and their fans should be very happy. There are a lot of wide receivers in this draft and they might be able to come away with Tavon Austin and Justin Hunter or a similar pair that would really improve their receiving corp.

For me though, the 25th pick in itself isn't bad, except that we need DL so bad and if Jarvis Jones falls to 25 because of his stenosis, I'll be really upset. I love Corey Lemonier and I have a feeling he'll be long gone by the time we pick in the 2nd. Add to that, if Percy is given a huge contract and we start losing some key parts of the Legion of Boom because of it, I'll be really upset.

A lot of how this turns out is dependent upon luck. If Percy stays healthy throughout the season and doesn't take a big hit over the middle, that will be a plus. If Percy doesn't demand Calvin Johnson money (one rumor is that he used that as a bargaining ploy to get out of Minne) and we are able to sign our own over the next 1 to 3 years, that will be a good thing. If we get a great defensive lineman at 58, that will be yet another huge bonus.

The Viking fans have every reason to be happy, they got a first, a seventh and a 3/4 round pick for someone that may have held out and might be gone next year. They can turn those picks in to 3 players that they will have for the next 3 plus years.

Seahawks fans like me on the other hand are cautiously optimistic. A lot will depend on the contract. Listening to Hill and Schlereth today, Mark Schlereth said "10% of the players get 90% of the money and the other 10% has to be split up between the remaining 90% of the players." IMAHO, that's no way to run a team, and no way to win a Superbowl.

I hope Percy was just trying to force his way out of Minnesota and doesn't really want Larry Fitzgerald money, but instead just wants to play on a contender and for a coach that is fun to play for.
 

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Watching Vikings PLAYER reactions, tells me they feel they lost a great one, they are not happy.

To that locker room, I think it's as devastating as our Hutchinson loss.
 

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Lady Talon":47j15bn3 said:
Watching Vikings PLAYER reactions, tells me they feel they lost a great one, they are not happy.

To that locker room, I think it's as devastating as our Hutchinson loss.

To the veterans, yes. But the future just got brighter for the youngsters of Minnesota.
 

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BlueThunder":3ookowo8 said:
Thanks for the post Decimation. I knew we were getting someone special, and you helped confirm it. I was worried about the injury thing, but I'm not worried anymore. Hope you have good luck with your picks that you got... maybe we'll cross paths in the playoffs soon! c'ya soon! BT


He had those migraine issues his first 2 years in the league which I think hampered him, but he seems to have that under control as I didn't hear anything about it this past year. He seems to have found a way to transfer it into headaches for vikings brass instead haha. I'm not really sure what the problem was, I'm guessing it was a mixture of conservative playcalling and a qb that didn't allow him to be as productive down the field as he should be. You're definitely getting a special player with elite talent.
 

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I was hoping to be the first Vikes fan to come on here, but I guess I got beat to it. Wanted to check out what Seahags fans were saying about the trade, and I was pleasantly surprised to see a lot of you aren't ignorant to the incredible talents of Percy Harvin. It seems a lot of places you go, there are fans who simply look at the numbers and just don't get what he is.

So first off, as a Vikings fan, I would like to say congratulations on getting Percy, as chimpston said before me, it was a heavy price to pay, but Percy will live up to it. There are certainly concerns that come with Percy, but none of them are on the field. He is a special player, an extraordinary talent. I'm always amazed when I see his numbers aren't what you'd expect from a top 5 WR in the NFL, but when you watch the guy, you can't help but feel like he's the best player on the field. He is a clutch player to have in any offense.

However, I've read a few people on this board who have the wrong idea of Percy. He is very versatile, he can be moved all around the offense. However if you're expecting a "#1" WR, he is not it. He is best suited in the slot, and he is most productive in run after the catch. He is not a polished route runner, and although he is fast as hell, he is rarely used as a deep threat. He works best in a short space, and with the ball in his hands. View him as a more dynamic Wes Welker-type.

As for the injuries, he's on the injury report pretty regularly, but rarely misses games because of it. Although the more involvement he gets, the more beating he takes. And his playing style results in a large beating, so I understand where the injury concerns arise from. His career may not be the longest one if he continues to take the beating he did last year.

Anyways, the big, and quite real concern, is going to be Percy's attitude. I've read people say he's just passionate and just wants to win, and that he's not a selfish type player. Unfortunately that's not the case. He certainly is passionate and certainly does want to win. But he an emotional and erratic person. There have been reports that he has very few friends on the Vikings, and even his most loyal fans around Winter Park will admit he's a handful to deal with. He seems to have a problem with authority. This dates back to his days in Florida, where he reportedly threw a weight at a coach. He also took a swing at Brad Childress shortly after Randy Moss was cut in 2010 (although most Viking fans enjoyed this). And if your thinking that Pete Carroll can get him in line, I'm not going to say he can't, but he's got his hands full. After all, for the Childress years Harvin was kept in line by Leslie Frazier who was the defensive coordinator. Harvin hated Childress, but Leslie, who is considered one of the nicest, most level headed coaches in the NFL, was a strong confidant of Harvin's, and was able to keep him in check for the most part. But with Frazier in command, the same issues have arisen and Percy's tirades have turned onto the same man who kept him in check for so long.

I do not agree with the fans who call him a "locker room cancer". His skills on the field far outweigh the headaches (no pun intended) he creates off of it. And ultimately, he is passionate about winning. I just wouldn't fool yourselves into believing it's the only motivation for his blow ups. After all, the Vikings did make the playoffs this season while Percy was AWOL. While his teammates were trying to win a Superbowl, he was in Florida and wouldn't even cheer his boys on.

So as much as I loved Percy as a player, and I wish he were still a Viking, I can see why he was moved. So I would like to congratulate you guys, because you are getting an incredibly exciting player to watch. He'll be your favorite player on the team on most Sundays. Unfortunately, I'm just warning you now not to be surprised when he isn't your favorite from Monday-Saturday. But in the end, I'd say he's well worth the headache. I'm going to miss the little guy
 

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Harvin is better than whatever 1st round pick plus the 7th we would have gotten this year. We had a 2nd 7th rounder this year anyways.

I think we went overboard with the mid round pick next year. We've found some really good talent in the mid rounds and especially since we are going to have to PAY Percy, we won't have the pick to cheaply fill out the roster. That pick will sting.

That said, I like what Percy can bring. I have images of a 3 WR set with Harvin, Rice, Tate and keeping the defense honest. Miller can do well and essentially, we always have at least 2 runners in the backfield, 3 with Robinson. Yeah, the offensive possibilities look pretty good. Now if we can just get Harvin up here catching balls from Wilson to get a jump start we'd be set.

On that note, is Harvin's ankle healed? What is the current status?
 

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I am trying to recall and could look this up... but while we have Vike fans in the house...did Harvin have the migraines when Favre was at the helm or did they come after Minnesota no longer had a QB? My reason for the question is that maybe the migraines were not quite legit. With Favre paving the way to Canton for him...did he play harder and more frequently? I have heard he has not been happy with Ponder. IF he was all in with Favre, I believe he will be all in with Wilson and that might help with the migraines. ;)
 

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saxmachine69":3v96wcst said:
I was hoping to be the first Vikes fan to come on here, but I guess I got beat to it. Wanted to check out what Seahags fans were saying about the trade, and I was pleasantly surprised to see a lot of you aren't ignorant to the incredible talents of Percy Harvin. It seems a lot of places you go, there are fans who simply look at the numbers and just don't get what he is.

So first off, as a Vikings fan, I would like to say congratulations on getting Percy, as chimpston said before me, it was a heavy price to pay, but Percy will live up to it. There are certainly concerns that come with Percy, but none of them are on the field. He is a special player, an extraordinary talent. I'm always amazed when I see his numbers aren't what you'd expect from a top 5 WR in the NFL, but when you watch the guy, you can't help but feel like he's the best player on the field. He is a clutch player to have in any offense.

However, I've read a few people on this board who have the wrong idea of Percy. He is very versatile, he can be moved all around the offense. However if you're expecting a "#1" WR, he is not it. He is best suited in the slot, and he is most productive in run after the catch. He is not a polished route runner, and although he is fast as hell, he is rarely used as a deep threat. He works best in a short space, and with the ball in his hands. View him as a more dynamic Wes Welker-type.

As for the injuries, he's on the injury report pretty regularly, but rarely misses games because of it. Although the more involvement he gets, the more beating he takes. And his playing style results in a large beating, so I understand where the injury concerns arise from. His career may not be the longest one if he continues to take the beating he did last year.

Anyways, the big, and quite real concern, is going to be Percy's attitude. I've read people say he's just passionate and just wants to win, and that he's not a selfish type player. Unfortunately that's not the case. He certainly is passionate and certainly does want to win. But he an emotional and erratic person. There have been reports that he has very few friends on the Vikings, and even his most loyal fans around Winter Park will admit he's a handful to deal with. He seems to have a problem with authority. This dates back to his days in Florida, where he reportedly threw a weight at a coach. He also took a swing at Brad Childress shortly after Randy Moss was cut in 2010 (although most Viking fans enjoyed this). And if your thinking that Pete Carroll can get him in line, I'm not going to say he can't, but he's got his hands full. After all, for the Childress years Harvin was kept in line by Leslie Frazier who was the defensive coordinator. Harvin hated Childress, but Leslie, who is considered one of the nicest, most level headed coaches in the NFL, was a strong confidant of Harvin's, and was able to keep him in check for the most part. But with Frazier in command, the same issues have arisen and Percy's tirades have turned onto the same man who kept him in check for so long.

I do not agree with the fans who call him a "locker room cancer". His skills on the field far outweigh the headaches (no pun intended) he creates off of it. And ultimately, he is passionate about winning. I just wouldn't fool yourselves into believing it's the only motivation for his blow ups. After all, the Vikings did make the playoffs this season while Percy was AWOL. While his teammates were trying to win a Superbowl, he was in Florida and wouldn't even cheer his boys on.

So as much as I loved Percy as a player, and I wish he were still a Viking, I can see why he was moved. So I would like to congratulate you guys, because you are getting an incredibly exciting player to watch. He'll be your favorite player on the team on most Sundays. Unfortunately, I'm just warning you now not to be surprised when he isn't your favorite from Monday-Saturday. But in the end, I'd say he's well worth the headache. I'm going to miss the little guy

Sorry, I stopped reading when I got to "Seahags". This rendered the rest of your novel useless.

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HawkWow":35vu7eh2 said:
I am trying to recall and could look this up... but while we have Vike fans in the house...did Harvin have the migraines when Favre was at the helm or did they come after Minnesota no longer had a QB? My reason for the question is that maybe the migraines were not quite legit. With Favre paving the way to Canton for him...did he play harder and more frequently? I have heard he has not been happy with Ponder. IF he was all in with Favre, I believe he will be all in with Wilson and that might help with the migraines. ;)

The Migraines were very legitimate, they came mostly in his rookie season and to a lesser extent in his second season. Both years were with Favre. He had sleep apnea, and some other issues that I'm blanking on right now. But after seeing many specialists, getting hooked up with a sleep apnea mask and meds, etc. the migraines disappeared. There hasn't been even a mention of them since 2010.
 

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FlyingGreg":3fcsju2w said:
saxmachine69":3fcsju2w said:
I was hoping to be the first Vikes fan to come on here, but I guess I got beat to it. Wanted to check out what Seahags fans were saying about the trade, and I was pleasantly surprised to see a lot of you aren't ignorant to the incredible talents of Percy Harvin. It seems a lot of places you go, there are fans who simply look at the numbers and just don't get what he is.

So first off, as a Vikings fan, I would like to say congratulations on getting Percy, as chimpston said before me, it was a heavy price to pay, but Percy will live up to it. There are certainly concerns that come with Percy, but none of them are on the field. He is a special player, an extraordinary talent. I'm always amazed when I see his numbers aren't what you'd expect from a top 5 WR in the NFL, but when you watch the guy, you can't help but feel like he's the best player on the field. He is a clutch player to have in any offense.

However, I've read a few people on this board who have the wrong idea of Percy. He is very versatile, he can be moved all around the offense. However if you're expecting a "#1" WR, he is not it. He is best suited in the slot, and he is most productive in run after the catch. He is not a polished route runner, and although he is fast as hell, he is rarely used as a deep threat. He works best in a short space, and with the ball in his hands. View him as a more dynamic Wes Welker-type.

As for the injuries, he's on the injury report pretty regularly, but rarely misses games because of it. Although the more involvement he gets, the more beating he takes. And his playing style results in a large beating, so I understand where the injury concerns arise from. His career may not be the longest one if he continues to take the beating he did last year.

Anyways, the big, and quite real concern, is going to be Percy's attitude. I've read people say he's just passionate and just wants to win, and that he's not a selfish type player. Unfortunately that's not the case. He certainly is passionate and certainly does want to win. But he an emotional and erratic person. There have been reports that he has very few friends on the Vikings, and even his most loyal fans around Winter Park will admit he's a handful to deal with. He seems to have a problem with authority. This dates back to his days in Florida, where he reportedly threw a weight at a coach. He also took a swing at Brad Childress shortly after Randy Moss was cut in 2010 (although most Viking fans enjoyed this). And if your thinking that Pete Carroll can get him in line, I'm not going to say he can't, but he's got his hands full. After all, for the Childress years Harvin was kept in line by Leslie Frazier who was the defensive coordinator. Harvin hated Childress, but Leslie, who is considered one of the nicest, most level headed coaches in the NFL, was a strong confidant of Harvin's, and was able to keep him in check for the most part. But with Frazier in command, the same issues have arisen and Percy's tirades have turned onto the same man who kept him in check for so long.

I do not agree with the fans who call him a "locker room cancer". His skills on the field far outweigh the headaches (no pun intended) he creates off of it. And ultimately, he is passionate about winning. I just wouldn't fool yourselves into believing it's the only motivation for his blow ups. After all, the Vikings did make the playoffs this season while Percy was AWOL. While his teammates were trying to win a Superbowl, he was in Florida and wouldn't even cheer his boys on.

So as much as I loved Percy as a player, and I wish he were still a Viking, I can see why he was moved. So I would like to congratulate you guys, because you are getting an incredibly exciting player to watch. He'll be your favorite player on the team on most Sundays. Unfortunately, I'm just warning you now not to be surprised when he isn't your favorite from Monday-Saturday. But in the end, I'd say he's well worth the headache. I'm going to miss the little guy

Sorry, I stopped reading when I got to "Seahags". This rendered the rest of your novel useless.

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sorry, comes from habit. Have two brothers. One is a Puker fan and the other is a Seahag fan. Sibling rivalry, you know. I'm used to the Viqueens retort myself
 

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saxmachine69":3v3lq4vy said:
I was hoping to be the first Vikes fan to come on here, but I guess I got beat to it. Wanted to check out what Seahags fans were saying about the trade, and I was pleasantly surprised to see a lot of you aren't ignorant to the incredible talents of Percy Harvin. It seems a lot of places you go, there are fans who simply look at the numbers and just don't get what he is.

So first off, as a Vikings fan, I would like to say congratulations on getting Percy, as chimpston said before me, it was a heavy price to pay, but Percy will live up to it. There are certainly concerns that come with Percy, but none of them are on the field. He is a special player, an extraordinary talent. I'm always amazed when I see his numbers aren't what you'd expect from a top 5 WR in the NFL, but when you watch the guy, you can't help but feel like he's the best player on the field. He is a clutch player to have in any offense.

However, I've read a few people on this board who have the wrong idea of Percy. He is very versatile, he can be moved all around the offense. However if you're expecting a "#1" WR, he is not it. He is best suited in the slot, and he is most productive in run after the catch. He is not a polished route runner, and although he is fast as hell, he is rarely used as a deep threat. He works best in a short space, and with the ball in his hands. View him as a more dynamic Wes Welker-type.

As for the injuries, he's on the injury report pretty regularly, but rarely misses games because of it. Although the more involvement he gets, the more beating he takes. And his playing style results in a large beating, so I understand where the injury concerns arise from. His career may not be the longest one if he continues to take the beating he did last year.

Anyways, the big, and quite real concern, is going to be Percy's attitude. I've read people say he's just passionate and just wants to win, and that he's not a selfish type player. Unfortunately that's not the case. He certainly is passionate and certainly does want to win. But he an emotional and erratic person. There have been reports that he has very few friends on the Vikings, and even his most loyal fans around Winter Park will admit he's a handful to deal with. He seems to have a problem with authority. This dates back to his days in Florida, where he reportedly threw a weight at a coach. He also took a swing at Brad Childress shortly after Randy Moss was cut in 2010 (although most Viking fans enjoyed this). And if your thinking that Pete Carroll can get him in line, I'm not going to say he can't, but he's got his hands full. After all, for the Childress years Harvin was kept in line by Leslie Frazier who was the defensive coordinator. Harvin hated Childress, but Leslie, who is considered one of the nicest, most level headed coaches in the NFL, was a strong confidant of Harvin's, and was able to keep him in check for the most part. But with Frazier in command, the same issues have arisen and Percy's tirades have turned onto the same man who kept him in check for so long.

I do not agree with the fans who call him a "locker room cancer". His skills on the field far outweigh the headaches (no pun intended) he creates off of it. And ultimately, he is passionate about winning. I just wouldn't fool yourselves into believing it's the only motivation for his blow ups. After all, the Vikings did make the playoffs this season while Percy was AWOL. While his teammates were trying to win a Superbowl, he was in Florida and wouldn't even cheer his boys on.

So as much as I loved Percy as a player, and I wish he were still a Viking, I can see why he was moved. So I would like to congratulate you guys, because you are getting an incredibly exciting player to watch. He'll be your favorite player on the team on most Sundays. Unfortunately, I'm just warning you now not to be surprised when he isn't your favorite from Monday-Saturday. But in the end, I'd say he's well worth the headache. I'm going to miss the little guy

You sure your not talking about Ponders lack of talent sounds like alot of that short passing game was due to Ponders inability at QB not Harvins ability to stretch ther field. Furthermore wasn't Harvin having an MVP type season before the injury even with that poser Ponder.
 

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HawkWow":21es6vvl said:
I am trying to recall and could look this up... but while we have Vike fans in the house...did Harvin have the migraines when Favre was at the helm or did they come after Minnesota no longer had a QB? My reason for the question is that maybe the migraines were not quite legit. With Favre paving the way to Canton for him...did he play harder and more frequently? I have heard he has not been happy with Ponder. IF he was all in with Favre, I believe he will be all in with Wilson and that might help with the migraines. ;)


No he had migraine issues in his rookie year while Favre came in and was having his fantastic year. For the most part the migraines didn't cause him to miss games, he would tough it out, but it just caused him to miss a lot of practices. And no I don't think he was using it as an excuse to miss practice lol, the migraine issues were legit for him but he seems to have it under control now.
 

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General Manager":qe8v7rqu said:
saxmachine69":qe8v7rqu said:
I was hoping to be the first Vikes fan to come on here, but I guess I got beat to it. Wanted to check out what Seahags fans were saying about the trade, and I was pleasantly surprised to see a lot of you aren't ignorant to the incredible talents of Percy Harvin. It seems a lot of places you go, there are fans who simply look at the numbers and just don't get what he is.

So first off, as a Vikings fan, I would like to say congratulations on getting Percy, as chimpston said before me, it was a heavy price to pay, but Percy will live up to it. There are certainly concerns that come with Percy, but none of them are on the field. He is a special player, an extraordinary talent. I'm always amazed when I see his numbers aren't what you'd expect from a top 5 WR in the NFL, but when you watch the guy, you can't help but feel like he's the best player on the field. He is a clutch player to have in any offense.

However, I've read a few people on this board who have the wrong idea of Percy. He is very versatile, he can be moved all around the offense. However if you're expecting a "#1" WR, he is not it. He is best suited in the slot, and he is most productive in run after the catch. He is not a polished route runner, and although he is fast as hell, he is rarely used as a deep threat. He works best in a short space, and with the ball in his hands. View him as a more dynamic Wes Welker-type.

As for the injuries, he's on the injury report pretty regularly, but rarely misses games because of it. Although the more involvement he gets, the more beating he takes. And his playing style results in a large beating, so I understand where the injury concerns arise from. His career may not be the longest one if he continues to take the beating he did last year.

Anyways, the big, and quite real concern, is going to be Percy's attitude. I've read people say he's just passionate and just wants to win, and that he's not a selfish type player. Unfortunately that's not the case. He certainly is passionate and certainly does want to win. But he an emotional and erratic person. There have been reports that he has very few friends on the Vikings, and even his most loyal fans around Winter Park will admit he's a handful to deal with. He seems to have a problem with authority. This dates back to his days in Florida, where he reportedly threw a weight at a coach. He also took a swing at Brad Childress shortly after Randy Moss was cut in 2010 (although most Viking fans enjoyed this). And if your thinking that Pete Carroll can get him in line, I'm not going to say he can't, but he's got his hands full. After all, for the Childress years Harvin was kept in line by Leslie Frazier who was the defensive coordinator. Harvin hated Childress, but Leslie, who is considered one of the nicest, most level headed coaches in the NFL, was a strong confidant of Harvin's, and was able to keep him in check for the most part. But with Frazier in command, the same issues have arisen and Percy's tirades have turned onto the same man who kept him in check for so long.

I do not agree with the fans who call him a "locker room cancer". His skills on the field far outweigh the headaches (no pun intended) he creates off of it. And ultimately, he is passionate about winning. I just wouldn't fool yourselves into believing it's the only motivation for his blow ups. After all, the Vikings did make the playoffs this season while Percy was AWOL. While his teammates were trying to win a Superbowl, he was in Florida and wouldn't even cheer his boys on.

So as much as I loved Percy as a player, and I wish he were still a Viking, I can see why he was moved. So I would like to congratulate you guys, because you are getting an incredibly exciting player to watch. He'll be your favorite player on the team on most Sundays. Unfortunately, I'm just warning you now not to be surprised when he isn't your favorite from Monday-Saturday. But in the end, I'd say he's well worth the headache. I'm going to miss the little guy

You sure your not talking about Ponders lack of talent sounds like alot of that short passing game was due to Ponders inability at QB not Harvins ability to stretch ther field. Furthermore wasn't Harvin having an MVP type season before the injury even with that poser Ponder.


Ponder has not been his only QB. Percy has ALWAYS been better in the shorter passing game. Ponder's "lack of arm strength" is a silly myth that is simply not true.

As for the MVP comment, yes he was. I have no idea what that has to do with what I'm talking about. Percy was finally used to his fullest potential this season, for the years leading up Viking fans would complain we didn't get the ball into Percy's hands enough because we were using him as an outside receiver running down field routes. Well this year we did use him correctly, got the ball in his hands early and often and he was on pace for an MVP season. But it was largely due to his abilities after the catch. As I said, he's not a natural WR, he's not Larry Fitz or Calvin Johnson, or even Steve Smith. His talents are unique and incredible, but he's just not a consistent down field threat
 

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saxmachine69":1tpiikh7 said:
HawkWow":1tpiikh7 said:
I am trying to recall and could look this up... but while we have Vike fans in the house...did Harvin have the migraines when Favre was at the helm or did they come after Minnesota no longer had a QB? My reason for the question is that maybe the migraines were not quite legit. With Favre paving the way to Canton for him...did he play harder and more frequently? I have heard he has not been happy with Ponder. IF he was all in with Favre, I believe he will be all in with Wilson and that might help with the migraines. ;)

The Migraines were very legitimate, they came mostly in his rookie season and to a lesser extent in his second season. Both years were with Favre. He had sleep apnea, and some other issues that I'm blanking on right now. But after seeing many specialists, getting hooked up with a sleep apnea mask and meds, etc. the migraines disappeared. There hasn't been even a mention of them since 2010.

With migraines not something an observer would be able to detect, I was concerned (paranoid) he was using them as an excuse. Now I know better. Thanks!
 

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I was hoping to be the first Vikes fan to come on here, but I guess I got beat to it. Wanted to check out what Seahags fans were saying about the trade, and I was pleasantly surprised to see a lot of you aren't ignorant to the incredible talents of Percy Harvin. It seems a lot of places you go, there are fans who simply look at the numbers and just don't get what he is.

So first off, as a Vikings fan, I would like to say congratulations on getting Percy, as chimpston said before me, it was a heavy price to pay, but Percy will live up to it. There are certainly concerns that come with Percy, but none of them are on the field. He is a special player, an extraordinary talent. I'm always amazed when I see his numbers aren't what you'd expect from a top 5 WR in the NFL, but when you watch the guy, you can't help but feel like he's the best player on the field. He is a clutch player to have in any offense.

However, I've read a few people on this board who have the wrong idea of Percy. He is very versatile, he can be moved all around the offense. However if you're expecting a "#1" WR, he is not it. He is best suited in the slot, and he is most productive in run after the catch. He is not a polished route runner, and although he is fast as hell, he is rarely used as a deep threat. He works best in a short space, and with the ball in his hands. View him as a more dynamic Wes Welker-type.

As for the injuries, he's on the injury report pretty regularly, but rarely misses games because of it. Although the more involvement he gets, the more beating he takes. And his playing style results in a large beating, so I understand where the injury concerns arise from. His career may not be the longest one if he continues to take the beating he did last year.

Anyways, the big, and quite real concern, is going to be Percy's attitude. I've read people say he's just passionate and just wants to win, and that he's not a selfish type player. Unfortunately that's not the case. He certainly is passionate and certainly does want to win. But he an emotional and erratic person. There have been reports that he has very few friends on the Vikings, and even his most loyal fans around Winter Park will admit he's a handful to deal with. He seems to have a problem with authority. This dates back to his days in Florida, where he reportedly threw a weight at a coach. He also took a swing at Brad Childress shortly after Randy Moss was cut in 2010 (although most Viking fans enjoyed this). And if your thinking that Pete Carroll can get him in line, I'm not going to say he can't, but he's got his hands full. After all, for the Childress years Harvin was kept in line by Leslie Frazier who was the defensive coordinator. Harvin hated Childress, but Leslie, who is considered one of the nicest, most level headed coaches in the NFL, was a strong confidant of Harvin's, and was able to keep him in check for the most part. But with Frazier in command, the same issues have arisen and Percy's tirades have turned onto the same man who kept him in check for so long.

I do not agree with the fans who call him a "locker room cancer". His skills on the field far outweigh the headaches (no pun intended) he creates off of it. And ultimately, he is passionate about winning. I just wouldn't fool yourselves into believing it's the only motivation for his blow ups. After all, the Vikings did make the playoffs this season while Percy was AWOL. While his teammates were trying to win a Superbowl, he was in Florida and wouldn't even cheer his boys on.

So as much as I loved Percy as a player, and I wish he were still a Viking, I can see why he was moved. So I would like to congratulate you guys, because you are getting an incredibly exciting player to watch. He'll be your favorite player on the team on most Sundays. Unfortunately, I'm just warning you now not to be surprised when he isn't your favorite from Monday-Saturday. But in the end, I'd say he's well worth the headache. I'm going to miss the little guy

You sure your not talking about Ponders lack of talent sounds like alot of that short passing game was due to Ponders inability at QB not Harvins ability to stretch ther field. Furthermore wasn't Harvin having an MVP type season before the injury even with that poser Ponder.


Ponder has not been his only QB. Percy has ALWAYS been better in the shorter passing game. Ponder's "lack of arm strength" is a silly myth that is simply not true.

As for the MVP comment, yes he was. I have no idea what that has to do with what I'm talking about. Percy was finally used to his fullest potential this season, for the years leading up Viking fans would complain we didn't get the ball into Percy's hands enough because we were using him as an outside receiver running down field routes. Well this year we did use him correctly, got the ball in his hands early and often and he was on pace for an MVP season. But it was largely due to his abilities after the catch. As I said, he's not a natural WR, he's not Larry Fitz or Calvin Johnson, or even Steve Smith. His talents are unique and incredible, but he's just not a consistent down field threat

I was taliking mostly about last year and Ponder sucks that's just a fact. Harvin will be on the recieving end of many deep balls because Wilson is great at it throwing them, in fact Harvin will easily have his best season next year so put that in your pipe and smoke it. You can't be talked about as an MVP if your not an elite WR .
 

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Kearly wrote: "I think Minnesota won the trade more than we did."

I almost always agree with Kearly, usually because I get most of my Hawks'knowledge and consequently my opinions from him in the first place. However, on this one, I totally disagree that Minnesota got the better end of this deal. I agree this is a deep draft at #25 and later, a draft without obvious top ten players, making the 25th pick perhaps as good as a top ten pick this year.

That is not the test here. If Percy Harvin were available in ANY draft, knowing his true NFL skill set, he would be a top 5 pick. If he got thrown onto the pile in this year's draft, he might well be selected 1st overall. He is exactly the kind of game-change player that this draft is lacking.

Many (not Kearly, mind you) have come to this board quite prepared to give away a 2nd rounder to move up to even 10 or 12. That is certainly conventional value.

What PC/JS have done is the equivalent of move into the top 5 in a strong draft by trading the 25th and a 3rd next year (that should be very close to a 4th, hopefully). Assuming the Vikings' picks are competent, we have effectively traded an above average starter and an average one for a huge talent. We are not trading away our draft either this year or next.

I am pumped about this trade. We cannot lose sight of the fact Harvin is only 24 years old. He has a whole NFL career ahead of him. Both this year and next, he will be an advertisement for free agents who want to join a top tier team that we are serious contenders. Hands up all the top level free agents keen to sign on with the Vikings based on this trade?

On the Vikings boards, the preponderance of opinion is that Harvin is easily their 2nd best player after AP and that Harvin probably inflated Ponder's QB stats. Ponder's most quaint nickname is "Popgun". That might not impress Wallace, Jennings, etc. The best post, in reply to one that said "Harvin wants $$ and a good QB" said "Got 'em".

We just got a team's 2nd best player who is only 24. Who is our 2nd best who is that young? Sherman? Thomas? Okung? Wilson? Are any of these guys NOT worth a late 1st and later 3rd? Would you trade any of them for this year's 25th and a next-year's-96th?

So, Kearly, I probably owe you a beer or two anyways for the entertainment value of your contributions alone. But if the Vikings' 25th this year and 96th next year have a greater collective impact on wins for them than Harvin's impact on wins for the Hawks, I will buy you one beer more.

And even if I'm wrong, the entertainment value alone of watching Harvin at the CLink 12 games a year (pre-season and playoffs included) makes this a great trade. But I'm not wrong.
 

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General Manager":126qd99e said:
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You sure your not talking about Ponders lack of talent sounds like alot of that short passing game was due to Ponders inability at QB not Harvins ability to stretch ther field. Furthermore wasn't Harvin having an MVP type season before the injury even with that poser Ponder.


Ponder has not been his only QB. Percy has ALWAYS been better in the shorter passing game. Ponder's "lack of arm strength" is a silly myth that is simply not true.

As for the MVP comment, yes he was. I have no idea what that has to do with what I'm talking about. Percy was finally used to his fullest potential this season, for the years leading up Viking fans would complain we didn't get the ball into Percy's hands enough because we were using him as an outside receiver running down field routes. Well this year we did use him correctly, got the ball in his hands early and often and he was on pace for an MVP season. But it was largely due to his abilities after the catch. As I said, he's not a natural WR, he's not Larry Fitz or Calvin Johnson, or even Steve Smith. His talents are unique and incredible, but he's just not a consistent down field threat

I was taliking mostly about last year and Ponder sucks that's just a fact. Harvin will be on the recieving end of many deep balls because Wilson is great at it throwing them, in fact Harvin will easily have his best season next year so put that in your pipe and smoke it. You can't be talked about as an MVP if your not an elite WR .

Ok well believe what you will. I'm telling you from a Vikings fan perspective, I've watched him play for 4 years, I've seen him with Ponder/Favre/Webb/McNabb/TJack. He has always been best in short areas, never really a deep threat down field. He can go down field, don't get me wrong, it's just not where his ideal strength is.

I don't even know why you are being defensive, I've said he's a top 5 WR. He's just a different breed of WR then many of you seem to view him as. There is no reason for him to run deep routes, it's not what he's good at, and he can get just as much yardage out of a bubble screen or drag route over the middle. That's what he does, he makes huge plays out of nothing. He's YAC guy.

As for Ponder, I never said he didn't "suck". But he wasn't holding Percy back, he threw the ball to him every chance he could. Percy was Ponders only target other than Rudolph.
 

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You sure your not talking about Ponders lack of talent sounds like alot of that short passing game was due to Ponders inability at QB not Harvins ability to stretch ther field. Furthermore wasn't Harvin having an MVP type season before the injury even with that poser Ponder.


Ponder has not been his only QB. Percy has ALWAYS been better in the shorter passing game. Ponder's "lack of arm strength" is a silly myth that is simply not true.

As for the MVP comment, yes he was. I have no idea what that has to do with what I'm talking about. Percy was finally used to his fullest potential this season, for the years leading up Viking fans would complain we didn't get the ball into Percy's hands enough because we were using him as an outside receiver running down field routes. Well this year we did use him correctly, got the ball in his hands early and often and he was on pace for an MVP season. But it was largely due to his abilities after the catch. As I said, he's not a natural WR, he's not Larry Fitz or Calvin Johnson, or even Steve Smith. His talents are unique and incredible, but he's just not a consistent down field threat

I was taliking mostly about last year and Ponder sucks that's just a fact. Harvin will be on the recieving end of many deep balls because Wilson is great at it throwing them, in fact Harvin will easily have his best season next year so put that in your pipe and smoke it. You can't be talked about as an MVP if your not an elite WR .

Ok well believe what you will. I'm telling you from a Vikings fan perspective, I've watched him play for 4 years, I've seen him with Ponder/Favre/Webb/McNabb/TJack. He has always been best in short areas, never really a deep threat down field. He can go down field, don't get me wrong, it's just not where his ideal strength is.

I don't even know why you are being defensive, I've said he's a top 5 WR. He's just a different breed of WR then many of you seem to view him as. There is no reason for him to run deep routes, it's not what he's good at, and he can get just as much yardage out of a bubble screen or drag route over the middle. That's what he does, he makes huge plays out of nothing. He's YAC guy.

As for Ponder, I never said he didn't "suck". But he wasn't holding Percy back, he threw the ball to him every chance he could. Percy was Ponders only target other than Rudolph.

Well now he's a consistent down-field threat cause Russell Wilson's deep ball has MOOOOOOJOOOOO! :mrgreen:
 

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I think my issue was you said he's not a number1 WR well yes he is. He's only 24 he has his whole career in front of him the book on Harvin is only in chapter 3 of 12 chapters , and i know he's going to stretch the field here in Seattle because Wilson was one of the most accurate QB's in the game last year in his first season and he's only going to get better.
 

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What I meant by that, and believe me it's an argument you'll see on a lot of Vikings message boards, is Harvin is not your "typical" #1 WR. Vikings fans have been really hoping for an outside the numbers WR, even with Harvin. He doesn't stretch the field the same way a real outside the numbers WR does. I understand you guys are loving your QB right now, the kid looks to be something special, but that doesn't really change who Percy is.

Again, you guys will soon see what I'm talking about, because what Percy does is unbelievable. He's just a whole different beast than what you typically see in the NFL. I think with Wilson's ability to extend plays with his feet, Percy's game is going to be that much scarier though. Because when defenses have to stop Wilson running, that's going to free up Percy, and if you give Percy the ball with space in an over pursued defense, LOOK OUT!
 
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