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 Post subject: Is this the end of Tate or Baldwin?
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Will they both be back next season? What do you think? Which one is more likely to leave?

Harvin is the best slot guy in the NFL. That would suggest Baldin is gone.

Tate has the skillset of a poor man's Harvin that suggests Tate is gone.


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Both will be on the roster IMO.

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 Post subject: Re: Is this the end of Tate or Baldwin?
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It suggests to me that it's the end of Ben Obomanu and his 2.3 million contract next year.

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I like what Tate does after catching the ball. Never seems to quit


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Tate's an outside receiver, Harvin is mainly a slot guy. Baldwin is still a very very very good possession guy though, I don't think anyone is gone, Baldwin & Tate are still on rookie contracts as well, its nothing to keep 'em.

Obomanu though? he's gone.

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I'd say it's not the end of either of them...


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 Post subject: Re: Is this the end of Tate or Baldwin?
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Obomanu was gone regardless of the Harvin deal, imo. I don't think either Tate or Baldwin are gone. I do think Baldwin's playing time will be greatly effected though. Which I'm totally fine with

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Neither. They're both on their rookie contracts. There's absolutely no reason to get rid of either.

Its probably the end of Obamanu though.

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Baldwin can get a RFA tag next year, so why is he part of this question? And Tate is going to want paid. But by the end of this year he just could warrant a good payday too. Tag him if need be.

Way too soon to start worrying about crap like this.

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It suggests to me that it's the end of Ben Obomanu and his 2.3 million contract next year.


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Seriously, why does everyone assume the next best guy is gone? If anything I could see questioning Rice as his contract combined with Harvin's would be huge, but I think we can absorb them both for the time being. The only guy with a contract not worthy of what we are getting from him on the field is Obamanu. I expect he's the casualty here. He could restructure to a minimal contract, but would find himself fighting for the last spot on the bench at best

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 Post subject: Re: Is this the end of Tate or Baldwin?
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I see Harvin replacing Obo. Harvin to slot alternating with Baldwin and Harvin alternating with Tate as a Wide.

Look at the 49ers. If we have Tate Harvin and Rice in the play who will JH have to cover them?

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 Post subject: Re: Is this the end of Tate or Baldwin?
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Yeah neither. Sucks more for Baldwin, but we know he's working hard. We gonna be explosiveeee.

And Harvin's hurt a lot. Not like we need to shed a receiver.


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 Post subject: Re: Is this the end of Tate or Baldwin?
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I wouldn't be surprised to see them one of them gone after this season. I think they are both here in 2013.

I really like how much Golden Tate has improved, but he does seem to be a poor man's Percy Harvin. If Rice is determined to be too expensive by the F.O. next season (and has injury issues himself).. maybe we keep Tate and Harvin as starters???

Tate and Wilson have developed an AMAZING chemistry late in the season. I still think Sidney Rice is too talented to just cut.. maybe trade bait?

Baldwin underwelms me... I'd keep Tate/Harvin/Rice and let Baldwin go out of all of them.

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Tate and Harvin on the field at the same time is what makes this addition work. Two guys who are playmakers after they catch the ball.

the chemistry between wilson and tate is too good to mess with.


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 Post subject: Re: Is this the end of Tate or Baldwin?
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get somethin for tate while we can... he is now redundant as a poor mans harvin... plus we wont be able to pay him when his contract comes due...


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I wouldn't be surprised to see them one of them gone after this season. I think they are both here in 2013.

I really like how much Golden Tate has improved, but he does seem to be a poor man's Percy Harvin. If Rice is determined to be too expensive by the F.O. next season (and has injury issues himself).. maybe we keep Tate and Harvin as starters???

Tate and Wilson have developed an AMAZING chemistry late in the season. I still think Sidney Rice is too talented to just cut.. maybe trade bait?

Baldwin underwelms me... I'd keep Tate/Harvin/Rice and let Baldwin go out of all of them.

Just my opinion though.


baldwin is an amazing slot receiver.. but beyond that.. you have to look at contracts.. tate is on fire right now.. really showed out last season.. he is going to want a fairly good pay day when his contract comes up... with the future contracts we have i dont think we will be able to afford him...


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 Post subject: Re: Is this the end of Tate or Baldwin?
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I'm a little worried about what this means for Tate considering this is the last year of his contract, maybe they're planning on getting someone to replace Rice next year then move part of his money to Tate. HOpefully :p


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 Post subject: Re: Is this the end of Tate or Baldwin?
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Ono for sure and possibly Leon are gone, I would think.

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 Post subject: Re: Is this the end of Tate or Baldwin?
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Don't teams usually get rid of their LEAST valuable players when cut time comes around?

Y'all sound like they cut from the top. Tate and Baldwin ain't goin' nowhere. Review the depth charts.

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 Post subject: Re: Is this the end of Tate or Baldwin?
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With his improve production last year, Golden Tate is going to want to get paid. How much, who knows for sure. But I can tell you for certain, he's going to want more than most of us think he's worth. I remember having the conversation with some friends during the season as to whether or not you re-sign Tate when his deal is up. Most agreed that they wouldn't mind having him back. But that his improved stats playing with Wilson would probably make him want too much for what he's truly worth. With Harvin on board, no way I see the Hawks re-signing Tate. We just got a better version of him.

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 Post subject: Re: Is this the end of Tate or Baldwin?
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Neither. They're both on their rookie contracts. There's absolutely no reason to get rid of either.

Its probably the end of Obamanu though.


Yep.

And if Tate and Baldwin want to earn big paydays when their deals are up, they will have to prove it on the field.

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Harvin, Rice and Baldwin come with injury concerns. It would be foolish to get rid of any of the top-level depth at receiver. Keeping the four best WRs ensures that Seattle isn't put in a rough spot if anyone goes down. All four are on the roster next year, and I guarantee that depth is going to be crucial for Seattle at some point in the season.


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I don't see either leaving. I think Obama-nu is outta here though. Not sure about Leon though. 50/50 in my mind.

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Harvin, Rice and Baldwin come with injury concerns. It would be foolish to get rid of any of the top-level depth at receiver. Keeping the four best WRs ensures that Seattle isn't put in a rough spot if anyone goes down. All four are on the roster next year, and I guarantee that depth is going to be crucial for Seattle at some point in the season.

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I think we all agree that Obo is gone. However keep in mind that Obo was one of our best special teams players and will have to be replaced. You aren't going to put your starting WR's out there on Special teams to get hurt making tackles so that means the WR's you keep as backups need to be assets on Special teams. That doesn't bode well for Baldwin.

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You have to have more than 3 WR's and you need depth. Baldwin was hurt last year and didn't really get going to late and he costs us next to nothing. I don't see Baldwin or Tate being in trouble.


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After this season, I expect one of Baldwin or Tate to be gone. Tate seems more valuable and plays outside while Harvin plays more inside possibly leaving Baldwin as the odd man out


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Davis Hsu made a good point on Twitter. The team still doesn't have that BIG tall wr threat that they like. Maybe they could add one in the draft. But who knows. Adding Harvin to a group that includes guys like Tate and Baldwin makes for a rather small wr corps. Who knows what they do this year. But I really can't see Harvin, Tate, and Baldwin as 3 of your top 4 wr's for too long. Be it this year or the next, I think we should expect to see the team add a wr that is a bit different than they guys they currently have.

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Baldwin can get a RFA tag next year, so why is he part of this question? And Tate is going to want paid. But by the end of this year he just could warrant a good payday too. Tag him if need be.

Way too soon to start worrying about crap like this.


I imagine Seattle will place a 2nd round RFA tag on Baldwin next year and hope a team steps up to help them recoup that mid rounder from the Harvin trade.


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With his improve production last year, Golden Tate is going to want to get paid. How much, who knows for sure. But I can tell you for certain, he's going to want more than most of us think he's worth. I remember having the conversation with some friends during the season as to whether or not you re-sign Tate when his deal is up. Most agreed that they wouldn't mind having him back. But that his improved stats playing with Wilson would probably make him want too much for what he's truly worth. With Harvin on board, no way I see the Hawks re-signing Tate. We just got a better version of him.


If Seattle made this trade to upgrade over Tate, I'd hate it with a passion. You can have both Tate and Harvin on the field at the same time very easily. I also don't expect Tate to cost much money to retain.


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Baldwin can get a RFA tag next year, so why is he part of this question? And Tate is going to want paid. But by the end of this year he just could warrant a good payday too. Tag him if need be.

Way too soon to start worrying about crap like this.


I imagine Seattle will place a 2nd round RFA tag on Baldwin next year and hope a team steps up to help them recoup that mid rounder from the Harvin trade.


Tate is going to be a restricted free agent as well I believe? Or will he be unrestricted? He'll be 4 years into his career, dont you need 5 to be unrestricted?

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Baldwin can get a RFA tag next year, so why is he part of this question? And Tate is going to want paid. But by the end of this year he just could warrant a good payday too. Tag him if need be.

Way too soon to start worrying about crap like this.


I imagine Seattle will place a 2nd round RFA tag on Baldwin next year and hope a team steps up to help them recoup that mid rounder from the Harvin trade.


Tate is going to be a restricted free agent as well I believe? Or will he be unrestricted? He'll be 4 years into his career, dont you need 5 to be unrestricted?

4. Tate will be unrestricted if not tagged. UDFA (Baldwin) are on 3 year deals, so end up restricted for that 4th year.

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I don't think Ben Obomanu or Charly Martin will be on the roster next year.

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Put me down for neither. I don't know why everyone's saying stuff like this. Why get rid of your best talent. I think the FO figures this out without dropping any starters. It would reduce Harvins overall value to dump talent just because he signed.


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Rice is more likely to be a casualty than Tate, who IMO ended the year as our number 1 receiver
but I don't think either would be cut. We needed to add receivers. After Tate, Baldwin and Rice who do we have? Jermaine Kearse, Charlie Martin and Ben Obomanu. Washington is more likely to be a casualty than the receivers, with Harvin either taking over return duty or splitting it with Tate. That affords us an extra receiver or running back (or, what i reckon is most likely, another tight end).

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Both will be on the team.

Why would we want to go and weaken a position that we just shored up? Crazy talk.

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Tate and Baldwin are in jeopardy. Either or both could be gone. The WR class is very thick this year so this move doesn't preclude them from still getting a Swope, etc in the draft. Plenty of decent receivers.

IMO, Obomanu was gone even before this trade occurred. He wouldn't have made it past training camp. Now he'll be gone before it (possibly by mini-camp).


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Both will be on the team.

Why would we want to go and weaken a position that we just shored up? Crazy talk.


You weaken the position by keeping too many of the same type of player. There are 3 different WR spots. With 3 different responsibilities and ideal attributes. You can't just keep all slot guys...

It's crazy talk to think that you can just throw a slot WR out as a flanker and be fine.

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I think both stay, but Tate has more playing time. Tate has made great strives and never quits. So long as he continues to develop, I hope he stays here a long time.

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get somethin for tate while we can... he is now redundant as a poor mans harvin... plus we wont be able to pay him when his contract comes due...


A 4th round pick at best. No thanks, keep him and let's make a Super Bowl run this year. Our WR depth was not all that great this year after our top 3, Charly Martin, Braylon Edwards, Jermaine Kearse none of those guys was particularly impressive.

Keep all 4, if Tate walks after this season that's fine. I bet we'd get a nice compensatory pick for him.


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I think we all agree that Obo is gone. However keep in mind that Obo was one of our best special teams players and will have to be replaced. You aren't going to put your starting WR's out there on Special teams to get hurt making tackles so that means the WR's you keep as backups need to be assets on Special teams. That doesn't bode well for Baldwin.

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Are you kidding, Baldwin is a stud receiver. Kearse hasn't shown any ability to consistently get open and catch the ball. Your #4 WR is primarily a receiver, the #5 guy is the special teamer.

Rice, Harvin, Tate, Baldwin. Kearse/Martin battle it out as the ST guy.


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After this season, I expect one of Baldwin or Tate to be gone. Tate seems more valuable and plays outside while Harvin plays more inside possibly leaving Baldwin as the odd man out


Baldwin is a RFA meaning they can give him a 1.5 million dollar second-round tender. Why would you get rid of him?


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I think we all agree that Obo is gone. However keep in mind that Obo was one of our best special teams players and will have to be replaced. You aren't going to put your starting WR's out there on Special teams to get hurt making tackles so that means the WR's you keep as backups need to be assets on Special teams. That doesn't bode well for Baldwin.

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Are you kidding, Baldwin is a stud receiver. Kearse hasn't shown any ability to consistently get open and catch the ball. Your #4 WR is primarily a receiver, the #5 guy is the special teamer.

Rice, Harvin, Tate, Baldwin. Kearse/Martin battle it out as the ST guy.


who's Martin? We still got Ruvell?

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Davis Hsu made a good point on Twitter. The team still doesn't have that BIG tall wr threat that they like. Maybe they could add one in the draft. But who knows. Adding Harvin to a group that includes guys like Tate and Baldwin makes for a rather small wr corps. Who knows what they do this year. But I really can't see Harvin, Tate, and Baldwin as 3 of your top 4 wr's for too long. Be it this year or the next, I think we should expect to see the team add a wr that is a bit different than they guys they currently have.


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DJrmb wrote:
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Both will be on the team.

Why would we want to go and weaken a position that we just shored up? Crazy talk.


You weaken the position by keeping too many of the same type of player. There are 3 different WR spots. With 3 different responsibilities and ideal attributes. You can't just keep all slot guys...

It's crazy talk to think that you can just throw a slot WR out as a flanker and be fine.

People realize there is a difference between a SS and a FS. You wouldn't play Kam Chancellor in Earls role. Well same with WR...


Tate is an outside receiver, Rice is an outside receiver.

Harvin and Baldwin are slot guys, how is that too many of the same player?


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 Post subject: Re: Is this the end of Tate or Baldwin?
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DJrmb wrote:

who's Martin? We still got Ruvell?


http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12813/charly-martin Don't forget the white guy


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 Post subject: Re: Is this the end of Tate or Baldwin?
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^ ah shoot i forgot bout Charly lol

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