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If healthy, he'd be a decent stopgap signing. Certainly has a better chance of going to a Super Bowl with us than Choke-lanta.

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Just sign Freeney, Abraham, Woodson and Desmond Bryant. Then trade for Revis and Dez Bryant. We are in.

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EDIT: Oh, almost forgot. Bring Randy Moss in. :stirthepot:

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I seem to remember that we were trying to trade for him last time. It was down to either us or ATlanta and we lost out.

Another good, solid veteran addition if the price is right that would help give flexibility in the draft.

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This would be a good move. He had a great year last year and if he could come in and play the Raheem Brock roll, I think that'd be huge for our pass rush off the edge

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Abraham will probably come cheaper and shorter than Osi or Freeney.

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Interesting. I would be okay with signing him if the price is right.

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Ten sacks last year.


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Seems to have gotten more durable with age. Still productive over the past three seasons. He might 35, but he hasn't played like it lately.


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It's a smart move with the Clemons injury. The Seahawks cannot afford to have unproven depth for that position and I find it hard to believe that Clemons will be able to go 100% from game 1. They need to come out of the FA period with a reasonable piece of this puzzle solved. We will see if the full-court wine and dine gets it done or will he be like Hutch and just decide to pass on a chance to join up.

Osi, Freeney or Abraham need to be signed to lower the risks to next season.

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Osi, Freeney, Abraham, or Seymore would all be lucky if we signed them. This is a perfect opportunity to make a few more millions and one of the best chancs at a super bowl they will get. They would all get plenty of playing time but would also be a part of a solid rotation in a stadium and fan base built for pass rushers. Golden op for these guys and I think some more Veteran leaderhsip on out D will help tremendously especially since it's likely Tru and Hill are on the way out.

Lets get this done with Abraham becaus even at 34 he has been productive.

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We are a team on the cusp, it's not a secret anymore.

There is a multitude of reasons we can get solid veterans at reasonable contracts, especially on defense.


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Picking up Abraham if its only for a year makes a lot of sense for this team with the uncertainty of when Clemons will be at full speed again. Would love to see it especially when it allows them the flexibility to get a receiver in the first round.


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I may have my facts slightly off, but I think we went after him hard when he was a free agent, but he chose Atlanta because he was an East coast guy, and pretty much came out and said so. I'm sure at this point in his career he is looking to make whatever money he can and get a decent shot at a ring, so it seems like a good fit.


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cheap contract with lots of opportunities to make more via incentives? sign him up !

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I don't think thats what anybody is saying here. I would like to see us sign Abraham (if its reasonable and short term)and resign Branch and would be happy right there. I don't think that would break the bank for the Seahawks. I am not interested in the least in Osi or Freeney to be honest.


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I don't think thats what anybody is saying here. I would like to see us sign Abraham (if its reasonable and short term)and resign Branch and would be happy right there. I don't think that would break the bank for the Seahawks. I am not interested in the least in Osi or Freeney to be honest.


Personally, I would prefer letting Branch walk, re-signing Jones, and signing Freeney, as Freeney seems to fit the LEO position most perfectly, but I agree that some combination of re-signs and short-term vet signings would be a prudent idea.

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Just for the sake of balance... he is 35 and was just released by another contender. It's not like Atlanta are a rebuilding team making room.


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he was scheduled to make 7m-9m this year . Any team would release him


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Just for the sake of balance... he is 35 and was just released by another contender. It's not like Atlanta are a rebuilding team making room.


He is by no means ideal. But then, who is? We gotta put something together, here, for a pass rush. I anticipate the pile approach.

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What a difference a year makes. Last year I was harping to get him, and all here were "he is too old". Now 10 sacks and a year later he isn't.

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What a difference a year makes. Last year I was harping to get him, and all here were "he is too old". Now 10 sacks and a year later he isn't.


I think that last loss at ATL where the DL could not generate any kind of pass rush is still fresh in our minds. The last thing that happened always seems to be the most important, I suppose.

Combine that with Chris Clemons almost certainly starting the season on PUP, and circumstances have changed enough that people identify the D-Line as a big enough need to go with an older vet on a one year contract.

It hurts to think about how with a guy like Raheem Brock coming off the bench, SEA probably wins that game in ATL.

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I would rather he signed here back a few years instead of going to Atlanta.

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He had 10 sacks and 6 forced fumbles last year?? That's exactly what this team needs.

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Abraham will probably come cheaper and shorter than Osi or Freeney.


I've thrown this out there before ... but something to keep in mind in terms of Osi Umenyiora -- he makes his offseason home in Atlanta. That's home for him. So, if the Falcons want him, it's highly likely that's where he ends up. It's an important factor to consider when trying to figure out where all these DE Free Agent dominoes will fall.


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He had 10 sacks and 6 forced fumbles last year?? That's exactly what this team needs.


What teams doesn't need that?


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Exactly my point. He's still very solid, and can be had for a heck of a lot less than some other guys like Dumervil. I get the impression that some people think he's past his prime or just some old dude band-aid type of guy. Not the case at all when you put up 10 sacks and 6 Forced Fumbles. Shoot, we could get Him AND Osi or him and Woodson for likely less than it would cost to get a guy like Dumervil.

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As to the "he was just let go by a contender", he was getting paid at least 4.5 million this next year (or that was his cap hit or bonus. hell, I read 4.5 mil somewhere) but Atlanta is barely under the cap. They want to resign Brent Grimes and their safety that is pretty decent (don't remember his name) so they need cap space to work with.

Pretty sure it was money and not as much production, although he was fighting an ankle issue late in the year. Still, 10 sacks and 6 FF's while having 2-3 down games with an injury isn't anything to sneeze at.


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Hey, nothing is signed yet. Worth a look for sure. Bring him in and check him out. If he's a fit, negotiate.

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A guy on softies show today said he liked Abraham because he was better against the run than Freeney or Osi. If we can get a LEO that is adequate against the run and can provide the potential for 10+ sacks I am all for bringing him in for a year or two on an incentive laden contract. Can we let Branch and Jones walk and pick up Seymour and Abraham?


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Link. If cheap enough, sure, why not?

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How fast is Abraham? Is he an edge rusher or does he use technique? Is he better hand on the ground or does he fit the LEO mold of standing up, lined up a little wide?

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I wouldn't mind this singing. He gives relief and could see geting cut prior to season with no repercussion if it isn't meant to be.


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Just something to keep in mind for some who might be a bit uncomfortable with the idea of bringing in a 35 year old DE ...

Bruce Smith (6'4" 262 Pounds) ...
1998 (Age 35) -- 10.0 Sacks
1999 (Age 36) -- 7.0 Sacks
2000 (Age 37) -- 10.0 Sacks

Reggie White (6'5" 291 Pounds) ...
1995 (Age 34) -- 12.0 Sacks
1996 (Age 36) -- 8.5 Sacks
1997 (Age 37) -- 11.0 Sacks
1998 (Age 38) -- 16.0 Sacks

Chris Doleman (6'5" 289 Pounds) ...
1996 (Age 35) -- 11.0 Sacks
1997 (Age 36) -- 12.0 Sacks
1998 (Age 37) -- 15.0 Sacks
1999 (Age 38) -- 8.0 Sacks

John Abraham (6'4" 256 Pounds) ... had 10.0 Sacks last season at Age 34. Outside of that ankle injury last season, he's been relatively healthy throughout his career. He's never struggled with injuries, keeps himself in great shape, and hasn't really shown any signs of slowing down. If we're talking about a 1 year deal for $4-5 Million ... and the medical report looks good ... why the heck not?


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Atlanta had him in a heavier rotation then the Hawks used with Clemons, so it would be wise for the Hawks to keep him in a rotation. He isn't the answer to missing the 3 down player in Clemons. Still have to draft some DE depth. He also had a 3 tech DT rotation that got satisfactory penetration at Atlanta. So, resigning Branch will probably not work in his favor. Signing Bryant along with Abraham, as well as drafting a worthy first round DT and hunting DEs in the later rounds would be quite an upgrade for the Hawks.

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Atlanta had him in a heavier rotation then the Hawks used with Clemons, so it would be wise for the Hawks to keep him in a rotation. He isn't the answer to missing the 3 down player in Clemons. Still have to draft some DE depth. He also had a 3 tech DT rotation that got satisfactory penetration at Atlanta. So, resigning Branch will probably not work in his favor. Signing Bryant along with Abraham, as well as drafting a worthy first round DT and hunting DEs in the later rounds would be quite an upgrade for the Hawks.


I agree with that for the most part. Though I believe that Abraham/Umenyiora/Freeney could be part of the answer ... I don't know that I would say that any one of those guys is the full answer. So, absolutely I agree that a rotation would be best. Carroll and the coaching staff believe in that, so I certainly think that's exactly what we would see.

As far as the whole Branch debate is concerned, I 100% agree that signing Bryant changes the entire complexion of that Defensive Line. In fact, I'd rank getting a dominant 3 Tech as a greater priority than a DE actually.

If they are able to land Bryant, I'm not sure I would be looking to expend a 1st Rounder on another DT ... but I guess I'd be in favor with it if a DT is the BPA at #25. Drafting more DE's later on in the draft? Yes please. I've posted this before that I believe getting experience at the DT is a necessity. If you'll recall, Cortez Kennedy actually didn't do a whole ton in his rookie season. Neither do a lot of rookie DT's. Along with WR, that seems to be a position that requires some seasoning. Honestly, I think Pete believes the same thing. So, as I scan the entire FA Landscape ... I personally view Desmond Bryant as THE primary target in Free Agency. Just my .02.


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I think Greg Scruggs is getting over looked a little bit here.


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I think Greg Scruggs is getting over looked a little bit here.


Not neccessarily, if the Hawks are after Datone Jones as a first round DT, he can play multiple Dline positions. Challenge Red Bryant, be part of a rotation for both ends as well as specialized tackle work. I'm not giving up on Scruggs.

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Sign Abraham to a 1 year deal and let Irvin bulk up some more and learn from proven sack master, then sign a vet DT Seymore for 1 year and by the next season Scruggs and Howard will be ready to start. dRaft a few mid to late DE's and DT and let them compete for roster spots or stash on the practice squad until the old guys are gone then let them step up. Would a 1st round DT be more productive than Seymore or Bryant? I'd say not likely, would a 1st round LB be more productive than Malcome Smith, I'd bet $100 on it.

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How fast is Abraham? Is he an edge rusher or does he use technique? Is he better hand on the ground or does he fit the LEO mold of standing up, lined up a little wide?


Just stop it. LEO does not stand up. Or does so rarely.

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Sign Abraham to a 1 year deal and let Irvin bulk up some more and learn from proven sack master, then sign a vet DT Seymore for 1 year and by the next season Scruggs and Howard will be ready to start. dRaft a few mid to late DE's and DT and let them compete for roster spots or stash on the practice squad until the old guys are gone then let them step up. Would a 1st round DT be more productive than Seymore or Bryant? I'd say not likely, would a 1st round LB be more productive than Malcome Smith, I'd bet $100 on it.


Something along these lines is exactly what I was going to write but then I read it :)

Point being with a veteran like this you sign them to a 1 or 2 year deal and then you can draft in the middle of the pack hoping to find the gem and you also have Clemons coming back.

Do you MAYBE hope to get a star by the time playoff comes around - of course. BUT at least you start the season with a very good player and hope to improve vs starting with a rookie hoping to find out he isn't a bust.......


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How fast is Abraham? Is he an edge rusher or does he use technique? Is he better hand on the ground or does he fit the LEO mold of standing up, lined up a little wide?


Just stop it. LEO does not stand up. Or does so rarely.

Bull. LEO doesn't have to stand up, but it's a hallmark of the position since Carroll coined the term LEO.

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 Post subject: Re: John Abraham on his way to visit Seahawks
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i'd say sign abraham n pair him with or both seymour n jenkins and seattle will have no problem pushing the pocket n coming off the edge. all for a low 2 year want a ring deal


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How fast is Abraham? Is he an edge rusher or does he use technique? Is he better hand on the ground or does he fit the LEO mold of standing up, lined up a little wide?


Just stop it. LEO does not stand up. Or does so rarely.

Bull. LEO doesn't have to stand up, but it's a hallmark of the position since Carroll coined the term LEO.


A review of Clemons' snaps over the last three years proves otherwise. Clemons is in the up position maybe 10-20% of the time.

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 Post subject: Re: John Abraham on his way to visit Seahawks
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I think Greg Scruggs is getting over looked a little bit here.


Not neccessarily, if the Hawks are after Datone Jones as a first round DT, he can play multiple Dline positions. Challenge Red Bryant, be part of a rotation for both ends as well as specialized tackle work. I'm not giving up on Scruggs.

I'm more talking to those that are saying to bring in 3 or 4 D-lineman. I think 2 is the magic number. 1 DT for 3-tech and 1 DE for depth and filling in while Clems out. If you can get a guy or two like Datone Jones that can play multiple positions all the better. I like Greg Scruggs to get more playing time this coming year, he looked pretty good at times last year.


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