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QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:59 am
  • I think we should trade Matt Flynn to the Jets and get Tim Tebow because Pete Carroll wanted a mobile QB like Russell Wilson, then if we have Tebow and Wilson we could do wildcat which i think the Seahawks need to open up different options.
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:02 pm
  • No way you trade Flynn for Tebow bad deal for us. Now Tebow for a 6th rounder is more doable.
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:04 pm
  • We have no reason to do wildcat because we can run read option and everything they might want to do in wildcat as part of our base offense with our QB.

    As much as I hate myself for saying it though I wouldnt be totally opposed to Tebow. He would make a decent backup for what we like to do and Russell is loved enough by the fan base that Tebow fanatics would not be able to make a case for him starting. (i'd definatly prefer Tebow to be our #3 though, and find a different mobile #2.)
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:05 pm
  • No.

    Jets are going to cut him anyways.

    Still don't want him.

    Don't want wildcat package either...Russell thrives on getting as many snaps as possible. I don't want wildcat package to interrupt his rhythm (it destroyed Sanchez's development, IMO).
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:06 pm
  • I'm not exactly opposed to this idea, but I think bringing Tim Tebow to our team could be potentially distracting and bring a lot of unwanted attention from the media.

    By all accounts, Tebow seems like an upstanding guy with good character, that would probably mesh with our locker room pretty well. However, he's also publicly stated that he's not looking to be a backup or change positions. He wants to be a QB, and a starting one at that. Similar to Flynn, being stuck behind Wilson would get in the way of his aspirations, and he would want to leave Seattle when he gets the chance.

    And although Tim Tebow is more athletic than Flynn and fits more into Russell Wilson's mold, he's not nearly as polished of a passer. If Wilson went down to injury, Flynn could probably still keep our season alive. If Tim Tebow were the backup, I think our season would be screwed. He's more of a developmental project.
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:07 pm
  • Tebow?? Um, no
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:12 pm
  • Good God! With a QB like Russell Wilson in there, you don't want to pull a Jets trick. Here's what I saw when I watched a Jets game: Sanchez would be flailing around, but then would start to get hot. He'd hit a couple of good passes and start to find a rhythm... and then they'd take him to the sideline and bring Tebow in. Tebow would run around a lot and throw an incomplete pass. Then, Sanchez would come in and be cold again.

    That's the way the Jets handle a quarterback. Do we really want the Seahawks to handle Russell Wilson this way? I say ride the Russell Wilson train and hope he's healthy for the entire season.
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:13 pm
  • Seahawks Freak wrote:I think we should trade Matt Flynn to the Jets and get Tim Tebow because Pete Carroll wanted a mobile QB like Russell Wilson, then if we have Tebow and Wilson we could do wildcat which i think the Seahawks need to open up different options.


    Wilson alone gives us more options than we would need. Wilson is already a threat to run. We let Golden Tate throw. We let Sidney throw. Mike Rob was a QB in college. We have options to run wildcat like plays if we want to that don't involve Tebow.
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:14 pm
  • I wonder how many times we can have this debate in one off season? This has to be at least the 4th thread to include acquiring Tebow and being rid of Flynn.

    Anyone keeping track?
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:15 pm
  • Tebow might not even be in the league much longer. He's that bad. Schnieder intends to draft a develpmental qb every year - the third spot is for that. It changes things if we trade Flynn, but forget about Tebow. We keep Flynn, we're getting some raw rookie for the third spot.
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:24 pm
  • kidhawk wrote:I wonder how many times we can have this debate in one off season? This has to be at least the 4th thread to include acquiring Tebow and being rid of Flynn.

    Anyone keeping track?


    It's OP's second post. Give him a little slack.
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:28 pm
  • TeBlow?...Hell to the NO.
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:32 pm
  • BBHawks wrote:Here's what I saw when I watched a Jets game: Sanchez would be flailing around, but then would start to get hot. He'd hit a couple of good passes and start to find a rhythm... and then they'd take him to the sideline and bring Tebow in. Tebow would run around a lot and throw an incomplete pass. Then, Sanchez would come in and be cold again.

    That's the way the Jets handle a quarterback. Do we really want the Seahawks to handle Russell Wilson this way? I say ride the Russell Wilson train and hope he's healthy for the entire season.


    Sounds like a fishy story! Really? Tebow only missed on two passes all year, and thats what you seen and judge him on?

    How about being a playoff winning QB? Did you see that?
    How about the many come from behind wins? Did you see that?
    Nope, some people just see what they want, or repeat what they are told.

    **What is going to be interesting to find out is if PC and JS are in on the anti Tebow agenda as well. As PC has stated he wants a Wilson JR as the number 2. Everyone and their dog knows Tebow fits the bill better then 99% of the other QBs. When the time comes the media will ask "hey, how about Tebow for that 2nd spot at the right price"

    PC will say one of two things, COMPETE or NO. PC has stated he wants a Tebow type, now we will see if he buckles like a tool.
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:40 pm
  • Basis4day wrote:
    kidhawk wrote:I wonder how many times we can have this debate in one off season? This has to be at least the 4th thread to include acquiring Tebow and being rid of Flynn.

    Anyone keeping track?


    It's OP's second post. Give him a little slack.


    I didn't ask for a ban or a thread lock or anything else, so exactly what "slack" am I supposed to give? All I'm doing is stating the uber obvious
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:42 pm
  • Yes to Tebow as a Seahawk! He is what we need! Or do you know more then PC about the team? If so blab on why we don't need him.
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:47 pm
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:47 pm
  • Seahawks Freak wrote:I think we should trade Matt Flynn to the Jets and get Tim Tebow because Pete Carroll wanted a mobile QB like Russell Wilson, then if we have Tebow and Wilson we could do wildcat which i think the Seahawks need to open up different options.


    If we get Tebow I suspect it is so that he can learn from Michael Robinson how to humble himself and play fullback.

    And I wouldn't be opposed to that.
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:50 pm
  • kidhawk wrote:
    Basis4day wrote:
    kidhawk wrote:I wonder how many times we can have this debate in one off season? This has to be at least the 4th thread to include acquiring Tebow and being rid of Flynn.

    Anyone keeping track?


    It's OP's second post. Give him a little slack.


    I didn't ask for a ban or a thread lock or anything else, so exactly what "slack" am I supposed to give? All I'm doing is stating the uber obvious


    Your complaining is cool if you are consistent and not a hater. So are you on the ball about complaining about the muti-uni threads? How about the FAs that have no shot at being a seahawk threads? Or how about the "this guy said this about that guy tweets"?
    If so great!
    But if you are consistently attacking one guy, you should know the hater tag, or the calm down tag will be handed out.
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:51 pm
  • Just say no to drugs. And Tebow.
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:54 pm
  • Spokane wrote:Yes to Tebow as a Seahawk! He is what we need! Or do you know more then PC about the team? If so blab on why we don't need him.


    We need him for what? I do not see one thing, not ONE.
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:58 pm
  • Largent80 wrote:
    Spokane wrote:Yes to Tebow as a Seahawk! He is what we need! Or do you know more then PC about the team? If so blab on why we don't need him.


    We need him for what? I do not see one thing, not ONE.


    Because the one who matters (PC) said so.

    When the team leader says we need this type of guy, and Tebow is that exact guy, then we need him.

    Like I said above...Yes to Tebow as a Seahawk! He is what we need! Or do you know more then PC about the team? If so blab on why we don't need him.
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Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:01 pm
  • Hahaha...ok we need him, just like we have needed him since 1976.
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:04 pm
  • Spokane wrote:
    Largent80 wrote:
    Spokane wrote:Yes to Tebow as a Seahawk! He is what we need! Or do you know more then PC about the team? If so blab on why we don't need him.


    We need him for what? I do not see one thing, not ONE.


    Because the one who matters (PC) said so.

    When the team leader says we need this type of guy, and Tebow is that exact guy, then we need him.

    Like I said above...Yes to Tebow as a Seahawk! He is what we need! Or do you know more then PC about the team? If so blab on why we don't need him.


    Are you serious? Sure, Tebow has the intangibles, but that doesn't change the fact that he can't pass. At all.

    I don't know if you know this but PC also likes his QBs to be able to throw the ball and read defenses.

    Can Tebow do that? Obviously not.
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:06 pm
  • kidhawk wrote:
    Basis4day wrote:
    kidhawk wrote:I wonder how many times we can have this debate in one off season? This has to be at least the 4th thread to include acquiring Tebow and being rid of Flynn.

    Anyone keeping track?


    It's OP's second post. Give him a little slack.


    I didn't ask for a ban or a thread lock or anything else, so exactly what "slack" am I supposed to give? All I'm doing is stating the uber obvious

    Spokane wrote:
    Your complaining is cool if you are consistent and not a hater. So are you on the ball about complaining about the muti-uni threads? How about the FAs that have no shot at being a seahawk threads? Or how about the "this guy said this about that guy tweets"?
    If so great!
    But if you are consistently attacking one guy, you should know the hater tag, or the calm down tag will be handed out.


    Seriously? Coming from the guy who swore he was done talking about Tebow in the thread he posted on this EXACT subject, who is now touting Tebow again...
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:07 pm
  • Pete doesn't want Tebow. I guarantee it. Did you see how easy we shut him down last year? Tebow made defense easy for the Hawks.
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:08 pm
  • I am being real, not some crazy random 1976 bring ups.

    If anyone has an issue with what PC said, take it up with him.

    I would take a high winning, playoff QB winning as a backup, and it sounds like PC is in the same boat.

    This is not crazy talk, unless your agenda pushes you the other way.
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:08 pm
  • Spokane wrote:Yes to Tebow as a Seahawk! He is what we need! Or do you know more then PC about the team? If so blab on why we don't need him.


    Do you have a link where PC says he wants Tebow? Or do you have a special 'source'?
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:11 pm
  • kidhawk wrote:
    Seriously? Coming from the guy who swore he was done talking about Tebow in the thread he posted on this EXACT subject, who is now touting Tebow again...


    First, stop stalking me and my post.
    2nd I was told Dilfer did not suck, We don't get everything we are told.
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:13 pm
  • Spokane wrote:
    kidhawk wrote:
    Seriously? Coming from the guy who swore he was done talking about Tebow in the thread he posted on this EXACT subject, who is now touting Tebow again...


    First, stop stalking me and my post.
    2nd I was told Dilfer did not suck, We don't get everything we are told.


    No need to stalk you, I just happen to remember you saying it and thinking to myself at the time that it wouldn't last.

    Hey, it's a message board, I have never told you what to think or that you couldn't post anything, that's for the mods to decide. I can state my opinion even if it includes a topic being "tired".

    Also, if you don't mean something, perhaps you shouldn't put it in writing...

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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:14 pm
  • LymonHawk wrote:
    Spokane wrote:Yes to Tebow as a Seahawk! He is what we need! Or do you know more then PC about the team? If so blab on why we don't need him.


    Do you have a link where PC says he wants Tebow? Or do you have a special 'source'?


    No where did I say "Pete said yes to Tebow" It is stated everywhere that Pete has said " I want a guy like Wilson"
    No other QB is as close to Wilson as Tebow. You should know that and not nit pick.
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:16 pm
  • Spokane wrote:
    LymonHawk wrote:
    Spokane wrote:Yes to Tebow as a Seahawk! He is what we need! Or do you know more then PC about the team? If so blab on why we don't need him.


    Do you have a link where PC says he wants Tebow? Or do you have a special 'source'?


    No where did I say "Pete said yes to Tebow" It is stated everywhere that Pete has said " I want a guy like Wilson"
    No other QB is as close to Wilson as Tebow. You should know that and not nit pick.

    Tebow close to Wilson?
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:16 pm
  • Scottemojo wrote:Pete doesn't want Tebow. I guarantee it. Did you see how easy we shut him down last year? Tebow made defense easy for the Hawks.

    Do you have a link where PC says he DOES NOT wants Tebow? Or do you have a special 'source'?
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Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:17 pm
  • You still have yet to tell me why you think PC wants a QB that can't read defenses or pass the ball effectively
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Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:20 pm
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    Scottemojo wrote:Pete doesn't want Tebow. I guarantee it. Did you see how easy we shut him down last year? Tebow made defense easy for the Hawks.

    Do you have a link where PC says he DOES NOT wants Tebow? Or do you have a special 'source'?

    I have a special source. My common sense. If Pete wanted Tebow, he could have drafted him. Or gotten him from the Broncos last year.
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:24 pm
  • SacHawk2.0 wrote:You still have yet to tell me why you think PC wants a QB that can't read defenses or pass the ball effectively

    Two words for you....T JACK
    Yeah, PC works outside of the box.
    Not to get into my stat slinger ways but again he was 75% this year. So at least call him out for the right reasons.
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Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:27 pm
  • Spokane wrote:
    SacHawk2.0 wrote:You still have yet to tell me why you think PC wants a QB that can't read defenses or pass the ball effectively

    Two words for you....T JACK
    Yeah, PC works outside of the box.
    Not to get into my stat slinger ways but again he was 75% this year. So at least call him out for the right reasons.



    haha yea he sure was! 6 of 8 for 39 yards, or a 4.8 yard average. He killed it on those RB dump offs. Sorry dude, I know a lot of people really like Tebow for reasons other than his QB skills but he is not a viable NFL level QB.
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Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:33 pm
  • TJACK>>>>>>Tebow
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Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:33 pm
  • Scottemojo wrote:
    Spokane wrote:
    Scottemojo wrote:Pete doesn't want Tebow. I guarantee it. Did you see how easy we shut him down last year? Tebow made defense easy for the Hawks.

    Do you have a link where PC says he DOES NOT wants Tebow? Or do you have a special 'source'?

    I have a special source. My common sense. If Pete wanted Tebow, he could have drafted him. Or gotten him from the Broncos last year.


    So you know whats going on in Petes head? :240039: :240039:

    How many players would Pete have taken or not drafted if he knew the outcome 3 years later? Please with the dumb comments!
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:35 pm
  • Spokane wrote:
    Scottemojo wrote:
    Spokane wrote:[quote="Scottemojo"]Pete doesn't want Tebow. I guarantee it. Did you see how easy we shut him down last year? Tebow made defense easy for the Hawks.

    Do you have a link where PC says he DOES NOT wants Tebow? Or do you have a special 'source'?

    I have a special source. My common sense. If Pete wanted Tebow, he could have drafted him. Or gotten him from the Broncos last year.


    Please with the dumb comments![/quote]

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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:37 pm
  • Missing_Clink wrote:he is not a viable NFL level QB.


    He won a playoff game right?
    He found a way to get hired as a NFL QB, twice and paid fat
    He was able to bring his team back from a losing score

    So hate aside, he is a viable NFL QB.
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Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:41 pm
  • SacHawk2.0 wrote:Says the guy that thinks he knows what PC wants/Tebow


    I am only saying what Pete said. And he said he wants a Wilson JR.
    Tebow is not as good as Wilson, but they are as close as you will find.
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:45 pm
  • Spokane wrote:
    SacHawk2.0 wrote:Says the guy that thinks he knows what PC wants/Tebow


    I am only saying what Pete said. And he said he wants a Wison JR.
    Tebow is not as good as Wison, but they are as close as you will find.


    Pete also said that Tebow as a backup quarterback is a distraction and felt it was detrimental to Sanchez in NY.....but don't read anything into that, it doesn't fit your philosophy of what "pete" wants
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Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:46 pm
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    Missing_Clink wrote:he is not a viable NFL level QB.


    He won a playoff game right?
    He found a way to get hired as a NFL QB, twice and paid fat
    He was able to bring his team back from a losing score

    So hate aside, he is a viable NFL QB.


    Quote my entire post and respond.
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:48 pm
  • No, they aren't as close as you'll find.

    PC wants a point guard QB, which is what Wilson is. Aside from being able to run, good leadership skills and Jesus, they have nothing in common. RW tied the rookie record for TD passes and had a 100 QB rating on the year.

    Tebow couldn't do that. Ever. He is unsound in a fundamental way in his mechanics and clearly doesn't read defenses well.

    They aren't close. At all. And they never will be.
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:52 pm
  • kidhawk wrote:
    Spokane wrote:
    SacHawk2.0 wrote:Says the guy that thinks he knows what PC wants/Tebow


    I am only saying what Pete said. And he said he wants a Wison JR.
    Tebow is not as good as Wison, but they are as close as you will find.


    Pete also said that Tebow as a backup quarterback is a distraction and felt it was detrimental to Sanchez in NY.....but don't read anything into that, it doesn't fit your philosophy of what "pete" wants


    What do you think Pete would have said about TO ten years ago? "A distration"
    Still hired him. Its about need, not the media.
    And if Sanchez would let the media change him in any way, then the wind would be detrimental to him, who cares.
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Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:53 pm
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:54 pm
  • Tebow is not close to RW, but if he is cut by the jets and we get a steal on a Flynn trade I have no qualms about bringing him in as a vet min backup.

    No wildcat, just a backup.

    I would never trade Flynn for Tebow and his current contract.
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Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:59 pm
  • I don't see why being an effective passer isn't a key aspect of being a 'Wilson JR'.
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Re: QB Problem
Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:02 pm
  • SacHawk2.0 wrote:
    PC wants a point guard QB, which is what Wilson is. Aside from being able to run, good leadership skills and Jesus, they have nothing in common.Do you have a link where PC says he wants guard QB? Or do you have a special 'source'?

    RW tied the rookie record for TD passes and had a 100 QB rating on the year. Flynn, Tjack and who ever else PC has hired as a QB did not break the TD rookie record, So that means nothing

    Tebow couldn't do that. Ever. He is unsound in a fundamental way in his mechanics and clearly doesn't read defenses well.

    How many years have you been a QB coach? Many different styles get the job done in the NFL
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