Here's why DUIs and guns are two very different arguments.

Driving drunk is illegal AKA the using of a vehicle as a weapon even when you don't do anything but simply use it is illegal. Fuck, even sitting in a car in the drivers seat, keys out of the ignition and passed out will get you thrown in jail.

Using a gun isn't illegal.

70% of those killed in drunk driving "accidents" <---'see that term, it's often used to describe these incidents' are the drunk drivers themselves. That means drunk driving "accidents" only account for ~3,000 "murders". Which is ridiculous in itself and like I said I'm 100% for a blow-n-go in cars.

Cars are used to transport humans and goods 2.5 TRILLION miles each year in the US. I'm 100% for for spending as much as possible to continue to make cars safer. Automate vehicles and travel, absolutely. We shouldn't be happy until there are 0 deaths from accidents.

Guns? You want them because the government is going to ... I don't know, turn into Stalin? Sorry, guns don't prevent that from happening (remember, they have drones...). People speaking up does. People not being complacent. You want something for personal safety? Ok, I can see a valid argument there. But I would argue that intelligently removing firearms from our society would significantly increase our safety.

Slippery slope arguments: Because everything progresses exponentially instantly.

Awesome a slippery slope argument! Been awhile.

Or is it only ok if it's something you agree with?

So what happens when you aren't allowed to speak up? I would say to your second point that arming every person would increase our safety. If you were a robber and you knew every person on the block had a firearm whose house would you break into? Now take all the guns away.

Does this mean you agree with me, in that things do have a tendency to progress over time in many cases; or are you still the SonicHawk the PWR knows and...well, something?


@Zeb: I'm not on a roll. I'm on a troll.

You win a cookie.

So what happens when you aren't allowed to speak up? I would say to your second point that arming every person would increase our safety. If you were a robber and you knew every person on the block had a firearm whose house would you break into? Now take all the guns away.

If everybody had guns there'd be more shootouts. If nobody had guns there'd be more sword fights.

Can we admit sword fights are far more manly than guns?

Explain Switzerland. Every single male is required to join the military by age 19, and when their service is done, they're required to take their weapon home and keep it. That's right, virtually 100% of households in the whole country are armed. Your argument pretty much has to be either that everyone should have to go through the military in the U.S., or that every household should be armed.


There's nothing to admit. This is automatically a universal truism, except if you're Neo in The Matrix.

Explain Switzerland. Every single male is required to join the military by age 19, and when their service is done, they're required to take their weapon home and keep it. That's right, virtually 100% of households in the whole country are armed. Your argument pretty much has to be either that everyone should have to go through the military in the U.S., or that every household should be armed.

Switzerland's gun ownership rate is still 50% of the US.

It also has an incredible standard of living.

@Zeb: Uh, not really; read what I just said/linked.

Considering their population and culture, I think that their place on the list of gun related homicides per capita does not really support your argument.

.52 homicides per 100,000? Is that really what you consider a horrible stat?

Switzerland's gun ownership rate is still 50% of the US.

Wilson is the worst QB I have seen as a Hawks fan. And I have been around long enough to see them all.

Who said it was horrible? It's better than us, that's for sure. But look how many countries are below them. It's not like they're some shining example. They had 53 homicides in 2010, a relatively low number, but 40 of them were by firearm. So the percentage is still high there. And they're top 5 in the world at suicide by firearm, so that's kind of a red flag IMO.