Not going to get into your idiocy, but it would be interesting to see where these numbers come from. Are these numbers something like total guns owned divided by population? Because that doesn't make much sense now does it...?

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The United States also has roughly three times the population of the United Kingdom. So accounting for that oversight, those numbers seem fairly close for a place that outlawed guns. But I'm not very talented with numbers so what do I know.

Edit: Forgot about the per 100,000. Makes my comment worthless now.

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Brass knuckles and a 2x4.

So you have agreed that people will still find a way to kill people, so basically you just want guns gone, you don't care if people will still die, as long as it's not by gun. Good to know

These numbers come from my ass as well as much more reliable sources (google it real quick). It's # of guns / population. It's anywhere from 66.66-116 per 100.

Not going to get into my idiocy? What about responding with something intelligent or at least based in some kind of fact.

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@kidhawk.

NO. You know damn well that is not my train of thought.

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What? You do realize those numbers are adjusted per capita? I mean you can't really be that stupid?

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My fact stands, that is a horrible way to look at gun ownership, don't you think? When we have gun collectors that have large collections, you can't just use a simple x/y=z type argument here. People that throw out these type of "facts" aren't looking at the reality of the situation, and truth be told, it totally debases any argument they have. I will let you get back to your idiocy now, thanks for listening.

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But you do realize those numbers aren't adjusted for individual gun owners? I mean you can't really be that stupid?

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no?

There are far more comparisons to be drawn, though this is not the thread in which to do it. Perhaps I'll start another.

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To have an immediate effect in gun death rates in the US the first thing I would do as President would be: End the War on Drugs.

This would alleviate our prison system of drug addicts and place them in hospitals where they could receive help they need and increase prison capacity for violent criminals. It would also remove the monetary incentive for gangs and organized crime in the drug trade. They would no longer need to have drug related turf/gang wars in bloody king-of-the-hill fashion.

The reason gun control is so vexing is because the issue is so multi-faceted. We are a unique nation, guns our embedded in our history, our Constitution, and our culture (for both good and bad).

The point is amount of guns. And even if you did by individual gun owner do you think the numbers would go in your favor?

@smokin. Do it. That one should be fun.

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http://www.fox19.com/category/240225/vi ... Id=8153082

I doubt you'll watch the video Sonic because... Fox; but the numbers they cite there are interesting. It also deals with violent crime in general as opposed to the gun violence we are discussing here. Still, it is intriguing even if the numbers might not be accurate.

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Brass knuckles and a 2x4.

Don't be daft. If the point was the amount of guns, you would have just stated the total numbers. You wanted to show how many people owned guns essentially, because you specifically stated:



So don't try to back track now because it will make you look even worse. The point you are trying to make isn't about how many guns are out there, its about how many people own guns, which is much different than simple totals. If you don't see the difference, you are worse off than your posts make you seem.

Do I think the numbers would be better, or more in my favor if we compare how many people own guns per capita versus total guns per capita? Yes, I do, and it is hilarious that you would think it would be even close. Gun ownership is very common around the world, the difference is in the united states it is common for gun owners to own a large number of guns.

Anyway, I am out of this thread. You are a fool, and there is no use arguing with you.

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Also Sonic, it will definitely be harder for someone to smuggle shit like guns into the UK. It's a goddamn island which means it is a smaller geographic area, thus easier to patrol and prevent smuggling. I doubt the US will be able to replicate the UK's example in reduced gun violence through outlawing guns. Primarily because we have to prevent the smuggling of guns over a much larger area.

Better late then never right?

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Brass knuckles and a 2x4.

I don't think this is true, Kid. they have public trash recepticles. Maybe not out on just streets, but in shopping centers and stuff, there's public bins everywhere. I was in N Ireland just a few months ago, and distinctly remeber using a public bin in castle court shopping center in belfast.

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The rate of private ownership is still considerably higher. My point works either way.

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Maybe I should have been more specific....They didn't have them in most of the public areas of London which I visited. I did see a few. Trains had very small ones and there were some clear plastic bags in places, but this was few and far between. I wasn't in all of the UK, so I didn't mean to speak to the whole of the country, and I doubt it's a law, more a policy. It is true though that they have removed most of the bins in the city. I even heard (although I never saw any as I didn't go to that area) that they had installed bomb proof bins in the Olympic area for the Summer Olympics last year.

Edit: I google searched for the bomb proof bins and found this article. It's from before the olympics but says they had a plan to put in 100 of these at 25,000 each.

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/02/bomb-proof-lcd-equipped-trash-bins-to-hit-londons-streets/253135/

Also very true.

Here's an idea, let's have every kid get shot, just once in a non vital place so they know what guns are all about. :sarcasm_off

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I think all guns (all types) should be legal for private citizens to own, but it should be like owning and operating a car. You should have to take a safety class and pass a operation test to legally own guns, just like cars.

I also think a third party should screen for mental illness, but my fear over that is what if the people screening for mental illness have an anti-gun agenda and screen almost everyone out over trivial matters? Abuse of the screening process is something that would have to be figured out.

Mentally ill, legally blind, violent criminals, etc, should not be allowed to own or operate guns.

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