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 Post subject: Re: Immigration
 Post Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:17 pm 
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This whole amnesty talk is bullshit. I don't support it and never will. I met my wife in college and she happened to be Canadian. After marriage I decided to sponsor her to come to the United States legally and it took 11 months. I wasn't allowed to cross into Canada and she was refused entry into the US due to the pending case. We tried meeting each other in Vancouver, Toronto and her flying into the US. Each time we were sent back. For an illegal to cross the border and get permission to stay here without any repercussions while my wife and I had to suffer for 11 months due to the broken system is complete bullshit. We had to travel to Europe to meet each other during the entire process. Thus this whole talk of letting them stay here and only leave to their home country for an interview is unfair for people following the rules.

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 Post subject: Re: Immigration
 Post Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:24 pm 
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This whole amnesty talk is bullshit. I don't support it and never will. I met my wife in college and she happened to be Canadian. After marriage I decided to sponsor her to come to the United States legally and it took 11 months. I wasn't allowed to cross into Canada and she was refused entry into the US due to the pending case. We tried meeting each other in Vancouver, Toronto and her flying into the US. Each time we were sent back. For an illegal to cross the border and get permission to stay here without any repercussions while my wife and I had to suffer for 11 months due to the broken system is complete bullshit. We had to travel to Europe to meet each other during the entire process. Thus this whole talk of letting them stay here and only leave to their home country for an interview is unfair for people following the rules.


Well that's just dickish. Wouldn't you rather have international lovers have an easy way to be together instead of trying to shit on everyone because your situation sucked?

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 Post subject: Re: Immigration
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ludakrishna wrote:
This whole amnesty talk is bullshit. I don't support it and never will. I met my wife in college and she happened to be Canadian. After marriage I decided to sponsor her to come to the United States legally and it took 11 months. I wasn't allowed to cross into Canada and she was refused entry into the US due to the pending case. We tried meeting each other in Vancouver, Toronto and her flying into the US. Each time we were sent back. For an illegal to cross the border and get permission to stay here without any repercussions while my wife and I had to suffer for 11 months due to the broken system is complete bullshit. We had to travel to Europe to meet each other during the entire process. Thus this whole talk of letting them stay here and only leave to their home country for an interview is unfair for people following the rules.


Well that's just dickish. Wouldn't you rather have international lovers have an easy way to be together instead of trying to shit on everyone because your situation sucked?


A more streamlined process for LEGAL immigration is needed. But we need to toughen the penalties on employers that hire illegals and make e-verify mandatory. The illegals will easily go back when there are no jobs. But no side is going to agree to it. The Republican businesses lose a cheap source of labor. The democrats lose votes. I believe in eye for an eye, if I waited my turn, you wait yours.

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 Post subject: Re: Immigration
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Well that's just dickish. Wouldn't you rather have international lovers have an easy way to be together instead of trying to shit on everyone because your situation sucked?


How about a compromise that fixes our own system while not rewarding illegals that have been abusing our shit for years, and decades?

It blows my mind that anyone can think just turning all illegals into citizens overnight is a good idea.


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 Post subject: Re: Immigration
 Post Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:42 am 
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RolandDeschain wrote:
SonicHawk wrote:
Well that's just dickish. Wouldn't you rather have international lovers have an easy way to be together instead of trying to shit on everyone because your situation sucked?


How about a compromise that fixes our own system while not rewarding illegals that have been abusing our shit for years, and decades?

It blows my mind that anyone can think just turning all illegals into citizens overnight is a good idea.


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There are five steps to doing it:

• First, we need to secure the borders. Although progress has been made, the border with Mexico where most illegal immigrants cross is still not secure. It is inexcusable that the resources and technology needed to stop the flow are not in place. All it takes is funding and commitment.

• Second, there needs to be an effective and friendly guest-worker program. This allows people who need work to come here where there are jobs not being done by Americans.

• Third, once we have an effective guest-worker program, there needs to be a dramatic increase in surveillance and prosecution of businesses that employ people who are not here legally. There should be a significant price to pay for an employer that exploits people and encourages people to enter the country illegally.

• Fourth, there needs to be a new regime for attracting talented people to come here and stay here. We should say to the best and the brightest around the world that if they wish to come to America, we are interested in having them come. If they are already studying here, we are interested in having them stay. Instead, we say the opposite.

As Bill Gates says, every time he hires a talented individual from another country to work here it benefits America two ways. First, the individual usually ends up being a center around whom jobs are created, and second, it keeps him or her from being an overseas competitor.

• Fifth, we need to deal in a humane and reasonable way with the millions of people who are already here illegally. If they have acted inappropriately while here, then we should send them back to their native lands, but obviously that would be a small number of people.

We cannot deport millions of people, most of whom are hardworking and living quiet, orderly lives. We also cannot allow them, as a result of their illegal entry, to become citizens. This would violate the basic premise of following the rule of law that is a key standard of citizenship.

But there is a logical, fair and reasonable resolution to this conundrum. It is to allow these people, after they have agreed to some reasonable action, either through community service or fines, to compensate for their violation of the law when they entered the country to obtain a “blue card.” This blue card would give them legal status but not citizenship.


http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/j ... z2KEwtbp4h


Great starting point. Especially like the idea of legalizing immigrants that got here illegally but not granting them citizenship and instead offering them a Blue Card. Maybe create an option for citizenship down the road.


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 Post subject: Re: Immigration
 Post Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:13 pm 
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For those against amnesty. What is your proposal for the ?? million illegal aliens currently in the US?

My view is that realistically we are not going to deport them all. We need to come up with at system to bring them on board. It seems the best way is to put them in line for legal immigration and allow them to continue their stay in the US.

This is a relatively low level offense they have committed - the equivalent of a traffic offense or misdemeanor. Grouping them with "criminals" is not accurate.


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 Post subject: Re: Immigration
 Post Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:43 pm 
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ludakrishna wrote:
This whole amnesty talk is bullshit. I don't support it and never will. I met my wife in college and she happened to be Canadian. After marriage I decided to sponsor her to come to the United States legally and it took 11 months. I wasn't allowed to cross into Canada and she was refused entry into the US due to the pending case. We tried meeting each other in Vancouver, Toronto and her flying into the US. Each time we were sent back. For an illegal to cross the border and get permission to stay here without any repercussions while my wife and I had to suffer for 11 months due to the broken system is complete bullshit. We had to travel to Europe to meet each other during the entire process. Thus this whole talk of letting them stay here and only leave to their home country for an interview is unfair for people following the rules.


You weren't allowed to go into Canada because your wife was in the process of becoming an American citizen? What kind of fuckery is that? Is that really how that works?

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 Post subject: Re: Immigration
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RolandDeschain wrote:
SonicHawk wrote:
Well that's just dickish. Wouldn't you rather have international lovers have an easy way to be together instead of trying to shit on everyone because your situation sucked?


How about a compromise that fixes our own system while not rewarding illegals that have been abusing our shit for years, and decades?

It blows my mind that anyone can think just turning all illegals into citizens overnight is a good idea.


I never ever said make them citizens overnight.

There has to be a process, but there is no reason we should be missing out on tax dollars and ignoring that these are people too.

They are costing us money, they are not enjoying the freedom as humans and our system is far beyond broken. These are people that work everyday in our country, the only reason they aren't citizens is because they didn't have the money or time to deal with the puzzling immigration process we have.

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 Post subject: Re: Immigration
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Dude, there are tons of illegals getting free health care on our dime that don't work at all. You seem to think they're all just poor working stiffs, trying to better their lives. Give me a break. Sure, there are plenty of those, but there are also tons of worthless pieces of shit that should be deported, just like there are tons of worthless pieces of shit that are natural citizens here, born in this country.


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RolandDeschain wrote:
Dude, there are tons of illegals getting free health care on our dime that don't work at all. You seem to think they're all just poor working stiffs, trying to better their lives. Give me a break. Sure, there are plenty of those, but there are also tons of worthless pieces of shit that should be deported, just like there are tons of worthless pieces of shit that are natural citizens here, born in this country.


I'm fine with deporting the worthless pieces of shit. Like I said, I'm not suggesting giving all of them citizenship.

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