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Post subject: Re: Gun Controls Coming Boys And Girls  Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:22 pm |
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12evanf wrote: Seahawk Sailor wrote: So, guns are more closely related to atlatls and bolos? I'm confused. If you want to splice hairs, sure atlatls are primitive ranged weapons and are similar to guns and are rarely used for murders in the US. I am wondering why the "keep yer hands off my guns" crowd loves to cite the 2nd Amendment, but doesn't care to expand their right to own heavy artillery. The terminology from 1781 is a well regulated militia that is allowed and uninfringeble right to bear arms. The context back then meant infantry, cavalry, and artillery of the day. Do you think the gun violence/murder rate would go up if people were allowed to own howitzers? _________________ I blog, I tweet. When I'm not writing or goofing around on Seahawks.NET.
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Post subject: Re: Gun Controls Coming Boys And Girls Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:33 pm |
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Seahawk Sailor wrote: 12evanf wrote:
I am wondering why the "keep yer hands off my guns" crowd loves to cite the 2nd Amendment, but doesn't care to expand their right to own heavy artillery. The terminology from 1781 is a well regulated militia that is allowed and uninfringeble right to bear arms. The context back then meant infantry, cavalry, and artillery of the day.
Do you think the gun violence/murder rate would go up if people were allowed to own howitzers? Yes.
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Post subject: Re: Gun Controls Coming Boys And Girls Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:57 pm |
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SonicHawk wrote: Once again, whether guns share all or some of the blame it's ridiculous to think that they don't share any of it. No matter guns/bombs/fireshits comparisons.
Can't believe Montana can honestly post that firearms share no responsibility in a firearm related death. Guns don't pull their own triggers. Take away guns and you're still failing to address the underlying sociological issue, which is violence, the root cause of which primarily being poverty, not gun availability. This is like blaming Miracle Gro for the Oklahoma City Bombing.
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Post subject: Re: Gun Controls Coming Boys And Girls Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:14 pm |
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SmokinHawk wrote: SonicHawk wrote: Once again, whether guns share all or some of the blame it's ridiculous to think that they don't share any of it. No matter guns/bombs/fireshits comparisons.
Can't believe Montana can honestly post that firearms share no responsibility in a firearm related death. Guns don't pull their own triggers. Take away guns and you're still failing to address the underlying sociological issue, which is violence, the root cause of which primarily being poverty, not gun availability. This is like blaming Miracle Gro for the Oklahoma City Bombing. No fucking way? It takes more than just a gun to kill someone? It also takes more than a mental issue to shoot someone. It also takes more than poverty to shoot someone. Both things are the problem. Let's look at it in all honesty. If those are you 3 main reasons for violence (Need/Mental Health/Availability). Which seems the easiest to correct? I'll give you a hint. It has a chamber, trigger and discharges bullets. You want to spend trillions of dollars providing for our citizens? No, you don't. You don't want anyone in the world benefiting from your hardly earned paycheck. You bitch about the minimal amount of taxes you pay now, imagine trying to provide for all citizens in a way that removes the majority of poverty.
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Post subject: Re: Gun Controls Coming Boys And Girls Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:41 pm |
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SonicHawk wrote: You bitch about the minimal amount of taxes you pay now, imagine trying to provide for all citizens in a way that removes the majority of poverty. Utopia, I can't wait
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Post subject: Re: Gun Controls Coming Boys And Girls Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:46 pm |
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kidhawk wrote: SonicHawk wrote: You bitch about the minimal amount of taxes you pay now, imagine trying to provide for all citizens in a way that removes the majority of poverty. Utopia, I can't wait It's not Utopia, it's providing the basics for survival to your fellow man.
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Post subject: Re: Gun Controls Coming Boys And Girls Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:57 pm |
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SonicHawk wrote: kidhawk wrote: SonicHawk wrote: You bitch about the minimal amount of taxes you pay now, imagine trying to provide for all citizens in a way that removes the majority of poverty. Utopia, I can't wait It's not Utopia, it's providing the basics for survival to your fellow man. So, does "fellow man" just mean United States citizens, or do you include Canadians and Mexicans? What about those on other continents?
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Post subject: Re: Gun Controls Coming Boys And Girls Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:07 pm |
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DTexHawk wrote:
So, does "fellow man" just mean United States citizens, or do you include Canadians and Mexicans? What about those on other continents?
I would prefer it done globally but it starts here. Yeah, and way and try to make it look like I'm a dick. Ass.
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Post subject: Re: Gun Controls Coming Boys And Girls Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:10 pm |
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SonicHawk wrote: kidhawk wrote: SonicHawk wrote: You bitch about the minimal amount of taxes you pay now, imagine trying to provide for all citizens in a way that removes the majority of poverty. Utopia, I can't wait It's not Utopia, it's providing the basics for survival to your fellow man. Quote: Definition of UTOPIA
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Post subject: Re: Gun Controls Coming Boys And Girls Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:21 pm |
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Fuck it, I'm pissed, going to go buy a gun.
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Post subject: Re: Gun Controls Coming Boys And Girls Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:27 pm |
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kidhawk wrote: Quote: Definition of UTOPIA
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: an impractical scheme for social improvement Sounds like you're talking about Utopia to me It's not impractical, it's difficult. But kid, I think you already live in a utopia.
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Post subject: Re: Gun Controls Coming Boys And Girls Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:30 pm |
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SonicHawk wrote: kidhawk wrote: Quote: Definition of UTOPIA
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: an impractical scheme for social improvement Sounds like you're talking about Utopia to me It's not impractical, it's difficult. But kid, I think you already live in a utopia.This from the guy who talks about paying to end the worlds poverty...priceless
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Post subject: Re: Gun Controls Coming Boys And Girls Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:34 pm |
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There was a time when the average Joe didn't think Humans could fly, or reach the stars, visit the moon, replace the horse, talk to someone from around the world instantly.
Tell me what we can't do again. Dipshit.
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Post subject: Re: Gun Controls Coming Boys And Girls Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:36 pm |
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Largent80 wrote: Fuck it, I'm pissed, going to go buy a gun. See what I did there?
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Post subject: Re: Gun Controls Coming Boys And Girls Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:37 pm |
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SonicHawk wrote: SmokinHawk wrote: SonicHawk wrote: Once again, whether guns share all or some of the blame it's ridiculous to think that they don't share any of it. No matter guns/bombs/fireshits comparisons.
Can't believe Montana can honestly post that firearms share no responsibility in a firearm related death. Guns don't pull their own triggers. Take away guns and you're still failing to address the underlying sociological issue, which is violence, the root cause of which primarily being poverty, not gun availability. This is like blaming Miracle Gro for the Oklahoma City Bombing. No fucking way? It takes more than just a gun to kill someone? It also takes more than a mental issue to shoot someone. It also takes more than poverty to shoot someone. Both things are the problem. Let's look at it in all honesty. If those are you 3 main reasons for violence (Need/Mental Health/Availability). Which seems the easiest to correct? I'll give you a hint. It has a chamber, trigger and discharges bullets. You want to spend trillions of dollars providing for our citizens? No, you don't. You don't want anyone in the world benefiting from your hardly earned paycheck. You bitch about the minimal amount of taxes you pay now, imagine trying to provide for all citizens in a way that removes the majority of poverty. Yes, it requires more than just a gun to kill someone. It takes a PERSON, wielding the gun, pulling its trigger, to kill someone. If a man bashes another man's head with a hammer, killing him in the process, is it the hammer's fault?
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Post subject: Re: Gun Controls Coming Boys And Girls Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:40 pm |
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SonicHawk wrote: There was a time when the average Joe didn't think Humans could fly, or reach the stars, visit the moon, replace the horse, talk to someone from around the world instantly.
Tell me what we can't do again. Dipshit. Didn't say you could or couldn't do anything. Just said your idea of using tax dollars to spread the wealth so we rid the world of poverty is a very utopian idea. I'm sure you think it's a wonderful goal to strive for, just like the one where we'd abolish the 2nd amendment and get rid of guns in this country. I believe they are not, and that anyone who believes either of these are coming to fruition is living in a fantasy land, but hey, don't get me wrong here, it's just MY opinion, you just keep on shooting for the moon
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Post subject: Re: Gun Controls Coming Boys And Girls Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:44 pm |
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SonicHawk wrote: DTexHawk wrote:
So, does "fellow man" just mean United States citizens, or do you include Canadians and Mexicans? What about those on other continents?
I would prefer it done globally but it starts here. Yeah, and way and try to make it look like I'm a dick. Ass. Just curious where you drew the line, because everybody does at some point. And you really don't need any help to look the way you do. 
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Post subject: Re: Gun Controls Coming Boys And Girls Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:17 pm |
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SmokinHawk wrote: Yes, it requires more than just a gun to kill someone. It takes a PERSON, wielding the gun, pulling its trigger, to kill someone. If a man bashes another man's head with a hammer, killing him in the process, is it the hammer's fault? Who's fault was Hiroshima? The bomb (the tool), the man that dropped the bomb, or the man that made the bomb? Or are all three culpable?
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Post subject: Re: Gun Controls Coming Boys And Girls Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:57 pm |
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12evanf wrote: SmokinHawk wrote: Yes, it requires more than just a gun to kill someone. It takes a PERSON, wielding the gun, pulling its trigger, to kill someone. If a man bashes another man's head with a hammer, killing him in the process, is it the hammer's fault? Who's fault was Hiroshima? The bomb (the tool), the man that dropped the bomb, or the man that made the bomb? Or are all three culpable? The Japanese for attacking Pearl Harbor. War is hell.
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Post subject: Re: Gun Controls Coming Boys And Girls Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:44 pm |
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OkieHawk wrote: 12evanf wrote: SmokinHawk wrote: Yes, it requires more than just a gun to kill someone. It takes a PERSON, wielding the gun, pulling its trigger, to kill someone. If a man bashes another man's head with a hammer, killing him in the process, is it the hammer's fault? Who's fault was Hiroshima? The bomb (the tool), the man that dropped the bomb, or the man that made the bomb? Or are all three culpable? The Japanese for attacking Pearl Harbor. War is hell. Blame is by definition assigned. People choose to or not to assign blame to guns. I certainly think the tool is partly responsible for the damage it causes. Its easy to be silly and ask if a hammer is to blame or a rock is to blame, but those items aren't designed to kill. The A-bomb killed 100,000 people in Hiroshima. Was that responsibility solely on the person dropping the bomb? Blaming only that man takes childlike reasoning.
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