And millions more people are trying to do so than into America, since Norway's standard of living is so utopian that it puts even Star Trek's universe to shame.

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Wash, rinse, repeat every 25 years or so?

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That's weak sauce!

If need be. As long as there are US citizens unwilling to do dirty work for cheap, we need immigrants that are willing to do it. If they are working, they need to be paying taxes.

Not open borders in the sense of the EU.

Just allow people to be documented coming into our country. Indefinite work visas basically.

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RIP ROAD WOES 12/2/2012

To be fair, it's easier to sneak into America when you can walk across a border or use a tunnel than it is to cross an ocean to sneak into Norway. Consider the standard of living of nations around Norway. Think a Swede is out there going, "Man, it's so rough here in Stockholm. If I could just get to Oslo!"

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Okay, so maybe that pass rush is still an issue. Lather, rinse, repeat.

This thread sounds just like out political leaders out there, just give them amnesty and that will fix the problem.

This doesn't fix anything. It just rewards those who skipped the system and came here anyway, and doesn't do anything to actually reform the immigration system so those who would like to come here legally can do so.

They need to simplify the process of bringing in foreign workers to do the jobs like those mentioned throughout this thread. Why reward companies who hire illegal immigrants time and time again? Why not make the system easier for them to be able to hire immigrant workers and bring them here legally? Then you can actually punish those employers who don't use a legal workforce.

Along with simplifying the import of immigrant workers, they should overhaul the entire system to allow for people who want to come here legally to be able to do so without extremely lengthy waiting periods. It wouldn't be that hard to do a preliminary security check on applications, then grant temporary visas to allow them to come here and create a life for themselves while the rest of the process continues. If they should be arrested or do anything to breach their temporary visa, they get denied and sent home immediately.

They wouldn't be breaking the law if they were granted amnesty. We are a supply and demand country. We have a supply of jobs that no citizens want to perform, immigrants have come to do these jobs to fulfill the demand. A lot of them happen to be illegal. You are suggesting the government should pay to identify all of them and pay to send them back to their homelands. Many will try to return to where they built their lives: the US. You can stand on your stump all day, kid, and preach the words of Lady Liberty and Justice, that those that broke the law do not deserve citizenship in our country and fluff your feathers in doing so. However, it is more cost effective to legalize these American workers, get them in the system, and get them to pay their share of taxes. Its more quid pro quo than them milking the system.

The supply of jobs for immigrants is finite. We cannot be flooded with illegal workers forever, there will be a time when our economy hiccups and jobs are not readily available. In that time, illegal workers will have a harder time finding work and will probably return to their homelands anyway. For instance, see right now.

Even better, do away with all laws and we'd have a completely crime-free country! That way all citizens could be in the system as productive members of our society. Why hasn't anyone thought of that?

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How is that different than what I suggested?

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Your suggestion, as with those in Washington, doesn't do anything to fix immigration, it just makes illegals legal. It's like if I ask you the question "how can a person keep from accidentally cutting themselves?" and your answer is "put a bandaid on it to stop the bleeding"

I'm trying to point out that JUST giving amnesty doesn't fix the problem, it just rewards those who have skirted the law. What about those who don't skirt the law and can't get in, or can't work because they aren't using illegal ID or working under the table? What about those people? What about the actual immigration system as a whole?

I want to see them make it tougher on Employers who hire illegal aliens. Do what is needed to allow them to fill empty positions by bringing in immigrants legally to work. Right now, it is a complex and expensive process to come here legally.

I'm saying the system is broke, let's find solutions that fix the problem instead of saying let's just make them all legal every 20 years and pretend there is no problem. Unless of course you are instead saying that we should just have completely open borders and everyone who enters is legal. I don't think that we can do that in today's climate.

As a person who legal status in this country is....tenable, at best, I feel I should give my opinion here.

It's too hard to legally enter this country with the intent to live and work here. The MUST streamline the process. The funding wouldn't be as much of an issue if they would just make it easier for people to enter legally. Also, there MUST be an annual limit, but it needs to be widened. You can't just leave the gate open for anyone and everyone. Our government/law enforcement needs to coordinate better with foreign governments and law enforcement to keep track of criminals crossing borders. Not saying they should be denied entry, but let's keep a bit of a closer eye on them.

In the end, Kidhawk has the right of it here. The system is broken, and has been for decades. We need to fix the system, AND get the current illegals legalized and paying taxes. We can't just keep doing amnesty and hoping the problem goes away.

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just line em up and shoot em. or gather em all in one area and drop a nuke on em.

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You obviously only read my first sentence. It's not just making illegal immigrants legal, it allows people to enter this country legally, and obtain an indefinite work visa that forces them to pay taxes and be as much apart of being a citizen except the right to vote or own a gun.




You're absolutely right, just amnesty doesn't fix the problem. But we have to stop worrying about who it "rewards". My solution rewards all those who want to join this country, benefit from this country and live in this country. If you want to stay here, you have to pay here.



Any company who knowingly employs illegal aliens (after my suggestion would be put in place) would receive enormous fines and a beat down from me.



Once again, not open borders. You are completely confusing my suggestion with what the EU does. Still closed borders, but complete documentation of everyone who enters.

Want to stay in America? Work in America? Guess what, we're glad... but you have to buy into our system. You screw up, you don't get another chance.

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You mean the politicians right?

Silly, no! They're the ones looking out for our best interests. Without them, we'd be nothing more than sad proletarians with no hope for the future.

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From what I have been able to find, approximately 1 million people a year become "Legal Permanent Residents". How much of an increase do you propose? And how does this growth affect current infrastructure, employment rates, and resources?

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That's weak sauce!

You make it seem that immigrants are just doing manual, low paying jobs. I would venture that applies more so on the illegal instead of legal immigrants.

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That's weak sauce!

As a person who works in big data I can tell you as long as you have the data you are able to do something about it.

The problem in this country isn't that we have too many people(well, maybe a little bit), it's that we don't know where these people are or have any control over them. My proposition removes the need for at least 'large scale' illegal immigration.

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RIP ROAD WOES 12/2/2012

No, we know about the 1 million legal ones, not the illegal.

So, how many more legals do we need to accept to eliminate the overflow of the illegals?

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That's weak sauce!

It's not a number. A number doesn't fix the system. You have to do something about the illegals that are here now. It's either kick them out or let them in. What we're doing now is basically ignoring it which is wrong.

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