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Best TE?
Zach Miller 52%  52%  [ 67 ]
John Carlson 5%  5%  [ 7 ]
Jeremy Stevens 5%  5%  [ 6 ]
Itula Mili 12%  12%  [ 16 ]
Christian Fauria 15%  15%  [ 19 ]
Mike Tice 12%  12%  [ 15 ]
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Its killing me, not remembering who it was.

Had to be 1998, so I went back and looked at the roster, and there's no one with that name (what a LOADED roster...Erickson could put together a squad...for sure). I remember the chick, approaching for the kill and feeling insecure because I'm Irish and she was used to non-Irish.

Maybe it was Trey or even Carlester? My mind keeps saying the chick was from Carolina, but that entire era's a haze. Or, maybe it was a temporary player brought in, because I do remember they lived in a hotel.

On topic, it's Mili in my book.


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Just looked it up. Wow. Carlson had 8 catches for 43 yards last season (5.4 average). I figured he must have been IR'd in week one, but nope, he played in 14 games and started six. Gotta love a #3 TE on a $25 million contract.

Carlson had good numbers on the 2008/2009/2010 teams that had a terrible WR corps and a QB who loved big targets. Since then he's fallen off the planet. Even at his most productive, he was a pretty terrible blocker too.

This is not a great list, but I think it's an easy vote for Miller. Jerramy Stevens is the only other tight end that could take over a game the way Miller did in Atlanta. The difference is, Stevens was so wildly inconsistent- but Miller has been a rock. The only reason he hasn't had 800 yards every season with us is because of usage.


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pehawk wrote:
Its killing me, not remembering who it was.

Had to be 1998, so I went back and looked at the roster, and there's no one with that name (what a LOADED roster...Erickson could put together a squad...for sure). I remember the chick, approaching for the kill and feeling insecure because I'm Irish and she was used to non-Irish.

Maybe it was Trey or even Carlester? My mind keeps saying the chick was from Carolina, but that entire era's a haze. Or, maybe it was a temporary player brought in, because I do remember they lived in a hotel.

On topic, it's Mili in my book.


Deems May?


Dunno. I reached out to one of my friends, and he didn't remember either.

Hell, I didn't remember until I started think of Crumpler and Ferrell Edmunds. Then it came back, like a flashback. I remember the insecurity that is being an Irish guy with a girl used to pro athletes, the most. That insecurity is vivid and feels like yesterday.


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pehawk wrote:
Its killing me, not remembering who it was.

Had to be 1998, so I went back and looked at the roster, and there's no one with that name (what a LOADED roster...Erickson could put together a squad...for sure). I remember the chick, approaching for the kill and feeling insecure because I'm Irish and she was used to non-Irish.

Maybe it was Trey or even Carlester? My mind keeps saying the chick was from Carolina, but that entire era's a haze. Or, maybe it was a temporary player brought in, because I do remember they lived in a hotel.

On topic, it's Mili in my book.


Deems May?


Dunno. I reached out to one of my friends, and he didn't remember either.

Hell, I didn't remember until I started think of Crumpler and Ferrell Edmunds. Then it came back, like a flashback. I remember the insecurity that is being an Irish guy with a girl used to pro athletes, the most. That insecurity is vivid and feels like yesterday.


Deems May went to North Carolina. I'm going to assume it's him.

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Pehawk, are you thinking of Travis McNeal? He HAD some good physical tools, but never really put it together. He was with the Hawks from 1989-1991.

The fact that people are obviously scratching their heads over the question of "greatest TE in Seahawks history" tells you something. It's not exactly been a standout position for the Hawks over the years. Mike Tice was a heck of a talent back in the day ... but again, he was mostly used as a blocker.

If you're asking about the most complete and most talented TE in Seahawks History (and like a lot of you I've seen them all), I'd actually have to argue that he's on the roster right now -- Zack Miller. Hands down.


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Mili's cousin (Daveed) used to work for me in Hawaii. He was lazy but it was cool having him around to talk football. IMO, Stevens was the best athlete we ever had at the position. Which apparently means zilch. Too bad...what a talent (wasted). Tice was consistant and a great blocker....grew to hate him when he started coaching. He was a pud.

Miller, IMO, is without question the best TE this team has ever seen. Once we are able to free him up a bit more, he will be back in the Pro-bowl...if there is a Pro-bowl. I look forward to Seferian-Jenkins being our #1 pick in 14.


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I look forward to Seferian-Jenkins being our #1 pick in 14.

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I look forward to Seferian-Jenkins being our #1 pick in 14.

This x1000


We are both on that wishful thinking bandwagon, bro. IF Price plays like he did as a soph, or even close, ASJ will be gone top 10 and certainly before we pick at 32. ;)


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Surprised with all the Zach Miller love. I almost thought this was the flash in the pan thread and had to scroll up to double check. He had one amazing receiving game playing on a busted stick, other than that he's been a 2nd right tackle. Does that one performance make him the best ever? I'm going Mike Tice on this one. I wonder if Miller will be on the team this year. Both him and Rice have some huge contract to production ratio problems.

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Tice had the longest tenure and was a great blocker.

Many that took the poll didn't/don't know that. ;)


As with any of these polls, the current guy usually wins big, 'cause we have a lot of kids here that pay no heed to our history... I voted for Tice. He was a great one. Hell of a blocker, which was very important at the time with Chuck Knox's run oriented offense.

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I have seen them all and voted Miller. For everyone who has talked up Tice's blocking, I believe Miller is better. He routinely blocks defensive ends one on one. That is impressive. He is also a better receiver than Tice was.

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Surprised with all the Zach Miller love. ... He had one amazing receiving game playing on a busted stick, other than that he's been a 2nd right tackle. Does that one performance make him the best ever? I'm going Mike Tice on this one. I wonder if Miller will be on the team this year. Both him and Rice have some huge contract to production ratio problems.


Clearly a troll, but what the hell, I'll bite. Dude, you have been taking advantage of the WA MJ law changes a little too much. (especially since you're not even in WA, so be careful out there)

Miller does what he's asked to do, and does it with excellence. Other posters laid it out pretty well. With TJack the team asked him to be another offensive lineman. With Wilson and his better mobility and decision-making, they let him release out a little more.

Miller has been excellent and timely all year with his play. The one play against Washington in the Wildcard game, Hawks down 14-0, about to go 3-and-out again, was, in my mind his signature play for this season. He caught a crappy throw that 99% of TE's would have gone to the ground catching, turned, broke a had-him-dead-to-rights tackle, ran 5 or 6 yards, and stretched to get the first down by about a foot. Without that play, Seattle might be down 21-0 and lose that game.
Miller and Rice have each made difference-making plays in several games this season, that we don't win without them making their plays. There is not a significant contract-to-production issue with either of them. The production issue was really about Pete and Darrell keeping the training wheels on for Russell Wilson a few games too long. When we're playing crappy pass D teams like Detroit, why did we try to gash them with the run instead of putting the ball in Russell the gunslinger's hands and telling him, "Russell, score early and often".

Miller, hands down, in 3 years we are looking at him as the all-time Seahawks TE.

Yes, Jerramy Stevens had the physical talent, but no brain. Itula Mili had the physical talent and the brain, but uncooperative knees. Tice wasn't a bad Offensive Tackle for Ground Chuck and even caught a ball or two. Christian Fauria and John Carlson were average-to-below NFL talents. I do miss the Great Carlester Crumpler, and while we're on that subject, the Great Cameron Morrah could still become the phenom if he can make the team next year. Anthony McCoy had an unbelievable year for someone who looks like a lumbering stiff, the dude just kept making plays you wouldn't expect him to make. (but a few key drops too)

Zack Miller hands-down.


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Just for comparison's sake, the results of the "Best Seahawks Tight End" from four years ago when we voted on our all-time team are below.

1: Mike Tice, 22.1% of the vote
2: Itula Mili, 20.0%
3: Christian Fauria, 16.8%

John Carlson finished 4th in the voting after his rookie year with many people expecting him to own all the team records for tight ends by this time. Here are the top 5 tight ends in receptions, yards & TDs.

Receptions: Fauria (166), Mili (164), Carlson (137), Stevens (130), Young (97)
Yards: Mili (1743), Fauria (1683), Carlson (1521), Stevens (1458), Young (1217)
TDs: Stevens (15), Mili (13), Carlson (13), Tice (9), Fauria (8)

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It amazes me that the Hawks have never had a great TE, the NW is used to a lot of great ones as the U of W is known is TE University and ASJ is the next great one coming out next year.

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It is Z Miller.

Tice?

You gotta be kidding.

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Young was the best, we got him at the tail end of his career though. You can't base this question on stats though. Depending on era a great TE could have been a run blocker that could engage and go down field first as well as catch a ball when asked. If you asked in a NE offense now it would be a pass catcher, same with Falcons. We ask for both run and catch so because we run about 50 percent of the time thats less passes thrown and opportunitys because we also spread the ball around.

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Miller in my opinion. Especially if he picks up where he left off.

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Miller is Mr. consistent, no matter the tasking. When asked to run block and pass pro, he did it lights-out...I'd say even better than Tice. As an all-round pass catcher, he's noticably better than any TE we've had. Carlson might come closer when it comes to pass catching, but I still can't see him getting open as consistently or making some of the insane catches Miller has made when called upon. I don't see how anyone could vote differently, and I've been a fan since the franchise started.


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Mili played really well for the Seahawks, I was really bummed when he got hurt. I don't mean to offend, but Joe Jurevicius is my favorite WR for the Seahawks.....Least favorite was Jerry Rice.


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