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12evanf
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Post subject: Re: J.J. Abrams set to direct Star Wars Episode VII? Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:17 am |
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Why is Abrams getting love or hate on the plot of Star Trek? He didn't write it, he directed it. JJ Abrams comes off as a cool nerd and uses fanboy attention on his projects. He will treat Star Wars with more love than Lucas did with his monstrosities.
Super 8 wasn't a great movie, but it FELT like an old school Spielberg movie, well mostly. And that was its intended goal. It wasn't as good as ET or Close Encounters, but it was a hell of a lot better than AI. The same attention will be paid to Star Wars, it will feel a lot more like the original movies.
If the plot sucks, that's on the writer.
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Post subject: Re: J.J. Abrams set to direct Star Wars Episode VII? Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:19 am |
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Unfortunately, it's too late to cast the original trio but damn what I would give to see them adapt Timothy Zahn's Heir to the Empire trilogy.
Edit: Fixed a typo.
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Post subject: Re: J.J. Abrams set to direct Star Wars Episode VII? Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:23 am |
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Sarlacc83 wrote: Unfortunately, it's too late to cast the original trio but damn what I would give to see them adapt the Timothy Zahn;s Heir to the Empire trilogy. Seconded.
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Post subject: Re: J.J. Abrams set to direct Star Wars Episode VII? Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:32 am |
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I just hope they avoid the abortion that is the 20-books-too-long Yuuzhan Vong series. Most of those were utter crap and boring as hell. Pretty much anything by Zahn is a win, though.
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Post subject: Re: J.J. Abrams set to direct Star Wars Episode VII? Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:31 am |
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12evanf wrote: Why is Abrams getting love or hate on the plot of Star Trek? He didn't write it, he directed it. Because he works with too many hack writers and brings them onto his projects. Quote: He will treat Star Wars with more love than Lucas did with his monstrosities. Hilarious how much goodwill Abrams gets by NOT being the last guy.
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Post subject: Re: J.J. Abrams set to direct Star Wars Episode VII? Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:48 am |
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MontanaHawk05 wrote: Because he works with too many hack writers and brings them onto his projects.
The writer was chosen before the director for this project. MontanaHawk05 wrote: Hilarious how much goodwill Abrams gets by NOT being the last guy. I liked Abrams from the announcement of the Disney buy. You can go look it up (I know you're a big fan of that). Star Trek nerds have always been way more particular than Star Wars nerds. I don't think Abrams was a good fit for Star Trek, he's too raw and focuses more on emotions and action than the tech-aspect. Star Wars is perfect for him. George Lucas focused on CGI and effects and butchered his own masterpiece. Any director could raise that bar.
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Post subject: Re: J.J. Abrams set to direct Star Wars Episode VII? Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:54 am |
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MontanaHawk05 wrote: Hilarious how much goodwill Abrams gets by NOT being the last guy. This is normally a poor argument, but in this case, I'd say it's somewhat fair and justified. A tremendous number of random pieces of luck and happenstance came together to make the original Star Wars trilogy what it was, and George Lucas not having control over most of it was critically important. The best thing he ever did for his franchise was to sell it. I'll be very curious to see what all Disney does with it.
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Post subject: Re: J.J. Abrams set to direct Star Wars Episode VII? Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:22 pm |
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12evanf wrote: Star Trek nerds have always been way more particular than Star Wars nerds. I don't think Abrams was a good fit for Star Trek, he's too raw and focuses more on emotions and action than the tech-aspect. Star Wars is perfect for him. I could care less about tech. Everyone thinks the Abrams detractors are just upset about the tech stuff. The script for that movie was terrible, just plain poorly written and kept pulling me out of the movie with "why did that just happen?" questions that even ordinary people would ask. And Abrams made some choices that made little sense and distracted from things, turning it from a "this is how the future could really be" movie of ideas into just another slick, superficial "don't think too hard" popcorn movie. That's a loss that a lot of Trekkies were frustrated with. RolandDeschain wrote: MontanaHawk05 wrote: Hilarious how much goodwill Abrams gets by NOT being the last guy. This is normally a poor argument, but in this case, I'd say it's somewhat fair and justified. A tremendous number of random pieces of luck and happenstance came together to make the original Star Wars trilogy what it was, and George Lucas not having control over most of it was critically important. The best thing he ever did for his franchise was to sell it. I'll be very curious to see what all Disney does with it. I do believe Lucas originally had Han Solo looking more like Greedo and C3PO being an alien garbage salesman or some ridiculous stuff. I loved seeing Lawrence Kasdan hired to help with Episode VII. I think Abrams will be a good fit for Star Wars.
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Post subject: Re: J.J. Abrams set to direct Star Wars Episode VII? Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:38 pm |
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RolandDeschain wrote: I just hope they avoid the abortion that is the 20-books-too-long Yuuzhan Vong series. Most of those were utter crap and boring as hell. Pretty much anything by Zahn is a win, though. They've already said the movies will be an original story and won't be based on any of the existing EU works.
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Post subject: Re: J.J. Abrams set to direct Star Wars Episode VII? Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:09 pm |
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I know, Jay; I was just referring to future stuff down the line.
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Post subject: Re: J.J. Abrams set to direct Star Wars Episode VII? Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:04 pm |
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My deepest fear about this choice is that "JJ" secretly stands for Jar Jar...
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Post subject: Re: J.J. Abrams set to direct Star Wars Episode VII? Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:20 pm |
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Vetamur wrote: My deepest fear about this choice is that "JJ" secretly stands for Jar Jar... Lol! Abrams would get poisoned in his sleep.
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Post subject: Re: J.J. Abrams set to direct Star Wars Episode VII? Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:08 am |
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Vetamur wrote: My deepest fear about this choice is that "JJ" secretly stands for Jar Jar... I dunno, I'd pay good money to go and just watch the audience's reaction to that. Could be the greatest con job in the history of movies.
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Post subject: Re: J.J. Abrams set to direct Star Wars Episode VII? Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:18 am |
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Sarlacc83 wrote: Unfortunately, it's too late to cast the original trio but damn what I would give to see them adapt Timothy Zahn's Heir to the Empire trilogy.
Edit: Fixed a typo. The Heir to the Empire trilogy IS Episode 7 8 and 9 to me. I get that it's impossible now, and that really sucks, but to me that was the next inevitable part of the story presented in Lucas' original three.
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Post subject: Re: J.J. Abrams set to direct Star Wars Episode VII? Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:42 am |
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Read a lil blurb where Terance Stamp (peaches body and appearence double) ripped Lucas for his direction in Star Wars. No one worked opposite Natalie - instead she was a spot on a greenscreen.
Lucas sucks.
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Post subject: Re: J.J. Abrams set to direct Star Wars Episode VII? Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:46 am |
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pehawk wrote: Read a lil blurb where Terance Stamp (peaches body and appearence double) ripped Lucas for his direction in Star Wars. No one worked opposite Natalie - instead she was a spot on a greenscreen.
Lucas sucks. It's true! i look a lot like Zod!!
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Post subject: Re: J.J. Abrams set to direct Star Wars Episode VII? Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:07 am |
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pehawk wrote: instead she was a spot on a greenscreen.
Lucas sucks. Who WASN'T a spot on a green screen? Pretty much the entire newer trilogy was filmed that way, and the fact that it made even actors we KNOW are good actors, like Liam Neeson, act poorly...Tells you a lot about depending on your entire cast sitting inside in front of a green screen.
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Post subject: Re: J.J. Abrams set to direct Star Wars Episode VII? Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:09 am |
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pehawk wrote: Read a lil blurb where Terance Stamp (peaches body and appearence double) ripped Lucas for his direction in Star Wars. No one worked opposite Natalie - instead she was a spot on a greenscreen.
Lucas sucks. Watch the Red Letter Media reviews of the prequels. They pretty thoroughly torch George Lucas for sitting behind monitors for pretty much the entire shoot while sometimes standing up to hand out basic directions before returning to his seat.
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Post subject: Re: J.J. Abrams set to direct Star Wars Episode VII? Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:16 pm |
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He's never been an "actor's director". Gave minimal guidance in Ep 4. Ep 5 was directed by a guy with a much better relationship with performers. Watching Portman in later movies left me stunned how little Lucas got out of her in the prequels.
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Post subject: Re: J.J. Abrams set to direct Star Wars Episode VII? Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:49 pm |
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I am a huge fan of Abrams even if I am not always a fan of his movies (Star Trek was awesome though- Montana you are on crack).
I don't know if he fits Star Wars per se. I think he'd be perfect for Indiana Jones but that series can't survive without Harrison Ford. The original Star Wars films always had a campy charm to it, and all 3 of the originals contained "alien horror" elements that helped give the universe a much more savage feel. In that sense, I think Star Wars would probably be more suited to someone like Peter Jackson or Sam Raimi who have experience with top end special effects and horror/monster genre stuff- and both even have a bit of the same horror-cheesiness that Lucas had before he started to suck. Like Jackson and Raimi, Abrams has some horror/monster film background which will go well with re-introducing the series to the weird but awesome bestiary of the original trilogy.
Bottom line, I don't think Disney could have done much better than Abrams. And if Abrams says no, and options 2,3,4, and 5 all say no, you might be down to guys like Michael Bay, or an unproven director that could prove an even bigger disaster. We all thought that Star Wars would become a joke. Maybe it still will. But at least Abrams gives us a solar flare of hope.
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