Let me preface the following by saying that anytime an American is detained, kidnapped, or killed overseas there needs to be an investigation. With that being said why aren't the "conservatives" that are trying to turn this into Watergate II investigate the folks that cut the security funding for Benghazi? .....that would be the same "outraged' politicians on the far right who are turning this into a partisan witch hunt.

Where was the outrage from these same politicians and the "conservative" folks here on when these events happened under a different president (see, their guy).

2002 - US Consulate in Karachi, Pakistan Attacked 10 killed.
2004 - US Embassy bombed in Uzbekistan 2 killed, 9 injured.
2004 - Gunmen stormed US Consulate in Saudi Arabia, 8 killed.
2006 - Armed men attacked US Embassy in Syria, 1 killed.
2007 - Grenade launched into US Embassy in Athens.
2008 - Rioters set fire to US Embassy in Serbia.
2008 - Bombings at US Embassy in Yemen, 10 killed.

NOW all of the sudden their is concern???????????????
2012 - US Embassy in Benghazi, Libya attacked, 4 killed.

But, but, but, but..........

I just wish the partisan hacks from both parties would hold there own party to the same standards they hold their political enemies to, instead of always giving their side a "free pass".

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Sports, the outrage was there. The need for the investigation was there. What was missing was the fact that the then-current administration blamed it all on a YouTube video, arrested and jailed its "producer," and tried to call it good. And on top of that, the response was, "oh, we didn't even get what's up from intelligence until three weeks later." If the first part of that is bullshit, the latter is holy bleepity bleep bleep bleepshit! But what do I know? I only worked military intelligence for 20 years. Things have changed since I retired in 2011, evidently. And by "changed" I mean "thousands of pages of policy would have completely had to be scrapped and rewritten, completely reversing all previous modus operandi."

I remember the last several incidents clearly; the last three very well. You also missed a couple, but we'll let sleeping dogs lie there. But to compare those accurately, one has to compare apples to apples. Libya, after the "Arab Spring" was in a state more closely resembling Bosnia in 1998, not Serbia in 2008. Bosnia then was in a state of unrest and upheaval, torn by three distinct ruling factions - Serbs, Muslims, and Croats. It was in the middle of a civil war, with leaders rousted and new ones installed, not unlike recent Libya. Serbia in 2008 was an isolated event, protesting residual resentment from the 1999 campaign that bombed Serbia, Montenegro, Kosovo, and even the Republika Srpska (portions of Bosnia). It was also the work of protesters, as opposed to al Qaeda, something this administration has been very clear in letting us know this time - about two weeks after trying to pass it off on a video.

Fact is, the whole thing stunk to high heavens, and after the fact the media is letting us know that no, it wasn't ever about a video, in spite of the fact they spun that one hard and fast for about a week and a half. No, sadly we mis-remember how it really went. It was all a terrorist attack, right from the beginning. Except that it wasn't. And that is what is different about this incident than the others.

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I don't get the outrage. It's not like they are absolving anyone of a crime because they thought it was in response to the film. Whether it was in response to the film or a long planned event, the results were the same.

They don't blame the film anymore. Since day 1 they called it an act of terror.

It's just a bunch of bullshit from the right to try and create a scandal. There is no scandal.

There has been an investigation. There has been a hard look at policy. There's been a look at the decisions made and what could/should have been done.

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RIP ROAD WOES 12/2/2012

Exactly. It was always an ongoing investigation. The view of the attack changed over the course of a few weeks. There seemed to be a lack of immediate intelligence. The media reported that Ansar al-Sharia claimed responsibility via social networks, but that is hardly hard evidence. A small terrorist group could claim responsibility just for recognition. A full investigation was conducted, what happened was uncovered and the real story is the story the Obama administration is telling.

Everyone is whining about the initial response. Big O was hesitant to firmly state what the attack was, instead calling it "an act of terror" and said it "is still under investigation." From a distance it looks like all possibilities were pursued, the video, an out of control protest, and a planned terror attack. Everyone agrees now that it was the latter. There isn't a controversy. The real perpetrators are being hunt down, so what are we mad about?

With all due respect Sailor the outrage wasn't aimed at bush from those on the right, it just wasn't, I didn't see the partisan mediots on Fox News or any other right wing source ripping Bush. I'd like to see it, but you won't find any. That's the problem with political parties they always circle the wagons.

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If you actually believe this is an investigation and not Republicans happily dancing on American graves while they play a game of political gotcha then frankly I feel sorry for you. It has never been about those who died and why it happened, oh they make a great show of it until they start asking questions then it is about Republicans vs. Democrats and trying to make the other side look bad in the hopes of getting more votes come the next election. That is what is most offensive about this whole "investigation," nothing will come of it but a lot of hot air and political posturing.

The Senate foreign relations committee is made up of 10 Democrats and 8 Republicans:

Democrats:

John Kerry
Chairman

Barbara Boxer
Robert Menendez
Benjamin L. Cardin
Robert P. Casey Jr
Jeanne Shaheen
Christopher Coons
Tom Udall
Chris Murphy
Tim Kaine

Republicans:

Bob Corker
Ranking Member

James E. Risch
Marco Rubio
Ron Johnson
Jeff Flake
John McCain
John Barrasso
Rand Paul

I fail to see how that invalidates my point. If you think the Republicans are pushing for a real investigation you are crazy, they just want the Democrats to look bad while taking advantage of a tragedy, and the Democrats don't want an investigation that is too critical. So where do we end up with anything but hot air and political posturing?

It is no different than the pro-gun control, and pro-gun fight going on now. One side taking advantage of a tragedy, while the other saying "The fault lies everywhere except where we don't want it to."

The senate and the committee are both controlled by democrats. Republicans may ask questions you may not agree with, but it's a democrat controlled committee and Senate running the investigation, so if you believe it's a 100% witch hunt by republicans here, you are only showing your own personal bias.

I think your misunderstanding his point. He's saying that even if Republicans look like they're grilling Hillary and trying to get a real investigation going, neither party actually wants anything to actually get done. It's not that it's a witch-hunt by republicans, its just the republicans are acting like they are appalled and speaking up over how it was handled just to get more votes in coming elections. There won't be any actual action because of this event, no one will actually be fired or seriously reprimanded. Just a bunch of slaps on the wrist and some people moving from one position to another to make it look like something was done.

At least that's what I gleaned from his post.

If that's the case, it's not like they can exactly fire Clinton, since she'd posted her resignation before any of this. I did hear rumblings (and haven't checked the facts on this yet) that there are some members of her staff currently on paid administrative leave because they were found to have not done their jobs sufficiently, but since there was no blatant negligence they couldn't be fired. I'll see if I can find a link to this, as I only heard mention of it on the local news here and wasn't really paying close attention at the time. If it's true though, then there has been some fallout due to the investigation. As for political grand standing, that's always a common theme and congressional hearings. Doesn't really matter which side, there's always a few who want to get a point across for political reasons.

EDIT: Googled it and found this story regarding the employees and their inability to be fired.



http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/01/23/clinton-congressional-hearing-testimony-libya/1859433/

Really, does all of this really matter?

There have been many embassy attacks for so many years, and if you are dumb enough to go into hostile territory during war time or times and places where foreign policy is in question then it is on you. How can one person be responsible for choices of many?

Kidhawk and Sailor know there is a scandal somewhere and they are going to find it.

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RIP ROAD WOES 12/2/2012

Keep that tabloid trash mentality, it suits you well

Some of us would just like to see the truth come out, and maybe, just maybe we can learn from it and do better. Of course until a republican is in office, you really won't give a crap about the "truth", only out to protect your party

I don't give a shit about 'my' party. Both parties are pandering pansies who would rather bury each other then solve problems.

I'm a 100% for an investigation. But looking at it from a non-partisan POV (not that you'd understand), there is no scandal. Things went wrong, people died, people should be held accountable, but there's no scandal.

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RIP ROAD WOES 12/2/2012

You're the one using the word scandal here. I never said there was a scandal. I said there was some lies (factual misrepresentations if you will). I said there were mistakes made. I think that we deserve to get to the truth in this just as we do anytime something like this occurs. I'm not looking to impeach the president, I just want to know that we are going to fix the problems AND get justice for those who were killed

The truth came out, we are going after those responsible for the killings. You're just squawking that Obama didn't jump the gun earlier and call it terrorism from day one. Instead he waited for all of the information to come out and then decide. What a terrible, horrible leader.

Funny, you say he waited to decide, when truth is, his administration made the claims that it was the video until the press pushed the point and showed it was other than that, but that is not the point here. you like to pretend that's my point, and I guess that makes you feel better, but if you believe they've gotten all the facts on this already, you are wearing blinders

Of course they haven't gotten all the facts. What's your fucking point kidhawk?

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RIP ROAD WOES 12/2/2012

My point was to 12 who insists that "the truth" has come out, as if it should all just go away now, because he's satisfied, when in fact, these things take time, sometimes years to get all the information together. Furthermore my point is that holding an investigation is a normal process when something like this happens and I have no problem with it, but it seems certain people have a problem with it when it's this administration.