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Personally, I love Ryan Nassib.

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I said in another thread that I haven't watched much QB tape, but from what little I've seen that I liked Nassib. I also said he was getting overhyped. Well, after watching my first tape of him here, I take it back. I really like this kid and he probably deserves all the hype he's getting.

I know one tape isn't enough to really evaluate a player, but my first thoughts were that he shows some really good first round-worthy tools. He's obviously been well coached, as his mechanics are very sound, and he has some great size and moves well. It'd take a lot more tape for me to get a solid idea on what kind of player he is, but my gut tells me he can be a franchise quarterback.

In a QB draft class lacking a true front-runner, I'd take this kid over all of them.

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I'd want Nassib...in round 4 or below.


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This QB class is pretty under-rated. I really liked it last year when looking ahead. I liked Tannehill, but there are five QBs in this 2013 draft I'd probably grade higher than him in terms of NFL readiness. Nassib being one (despite having a name that sounds like it's out of Mortal Kombat).

His throwing motion and arm strength reminds me of Matt Hasselbeck (finesse mechanics, below average arm with some intermediate zip, but good release time and accurate passer). He can check through reads. He's NFL ready. If he goes in the 2nd round he'll be far superior in his NFL preparation than past 2nd round QBs like Osweiler, Dalton, or Kaepernick.

Not really sure Nassib would be an obvious fit for Seattle. I don't think Seattle would draft QB early enough to get him, and I don't think Nassib offers enough of a contrast from Flynn. Seattle wants a read option QB, and that's not Nassib.


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This QB class is pretty under-rated. I really liked it last year when looking ahead. I liked Tannehill, but there are five QBs in this 2013 draft I'd probably grade higher than him in terms of NFL readiness. Nassib being one (despite having a name that sounds like it's out of Mortal Kombat).

His throwing motion and arm strength reminds me of Matt Hasselbeck (finesse mechanics, below average arm with some intermediate zip, but good release time and accurate passer). He can check through reads. He's NFL ready. If he goes in the 2nd round he'll be far superior in his NFL preparation than past 2nd round QBs like Osweiler, Dalton, or Kaepernick.

Not really sure Nassib would be an obvious fit for Seattle. I don't think Seattle would draft QB early enough to get him, and I don't think Nassib offers enough of a contrast from Flynn. Seattle wants a read option QB, and that's not Nassib.


I would have thought having a name out of Mortal Kombat would increase his stock :lol:

A couple of thoughts:

Nassib's throwing motion reminds more of a bit of Russell Wilson and Andrew Luck than Hass, but only in pieces. He has that sort of 3/4 drop of the ball towards his waist then coming quickly up with the throw that RW has (which I suspect RW got from playing baseball). Nassib's release, however, is more Andrew Luck in that he stands tall when he throws and has an over-the-top motion with that leaning forward type follow through. At least, that's how I see it.

As to whether he fits this system or not. I tend to agree with you, but even though the front office came out and said they prefer a back-up that plays like RW, I don't feel coaches pass up on good players because they aren't exact matches to their starter. Mike Shanahan drafting Kirk Cousins is a good example of that and the Redskins use the read-option in a much larger way than we do. I know we use a lot of the read-option offense, but much of that plays well into what RW can do. I don't think not having a RW-type mobile QB would significantly hurt this offense. They would just adjust to fit a player skill sets like Nassib's.

Sidenote: Syracuse had Nassib running a bit of the read-option which is surprising. I wonder if there's more mobility to his game than appears.

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His throwing motion and arm strength reminds me of Matt Hasselbeck (finesse mechanics, below average arm with some intermediate zip, but good release time and accurate passer)


while im no expert, after watching 5 games from Nassib I believe he is very inconsistent with his accuracy, to me thats his biggest flaw.
Other than that I really like him, although everyone in Buffalo is convinced Marrone will take him in either RD1 or 2

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I like Wilson the most and wonder how good he could be.

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Barkley by and far with Smith/Wilson trailing.Barkley had a rough year but I really think that Kiffin was a huge reason behind USC's problems.Those who say he was surrounded by great talent(which he was) was the sole reason behind him being good is slightly ridiculous.When he went down with an injury his backup struggled mightily with those same weapons around him.He is also a far superior talent and qb to the retarded comparisons to Sanchez


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Barkley by and far with Smith/Wilson trailing.Barkley had a rough year but I really think that Kiffin was a huge reason behind USC's problems.Those who say he was surrounded by great talent(which he was) was the sole reason behind him being good is slightly ridiculous.When he went down with an injury his backup struggled mightily with those same weapons around him.He is also a far superior talent and qb to the retarded comparisons to Sanchez

I think Barkley would be my number 2 favorite, but I haven't really watched enough to have an accurate ranking.

With that said, wasn't barkley's backup a freshman?

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Nassib and Hass both look like they are flyfishing when they throw the ball. Wilson has a strong arm with picture perfect mechanics, and Luck just slings it. I am not Luck's biggest fan, but he throws the prettiest football in the league.


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LOL flyfishing? I haven't heard that before. I wish I knew more about flyfishing now.

It appears we are seeing different things (which is cool), but I'm going to try and explain what I see in these players mechanics anyways, because, well, I enjoy talking about mechanics and it doesn't get brought up much here.

IMO, Nassib and Hass' throwing motion aren't that similar. Nassib, like Luck, is more an over-the-top passer. His arm placement in his throw, if you imagine the face of a clock, is more at the 12 o'clock hand whereas Hass is more a side arm-type thrower, with his arm placement at the 10. Another big difference between Hass and Nassib is their follow-through, and this is where Luck and Nassib, again, compare. Nassib has a front-heavy follow through (just heard that term today. It fits.). When both he and Luck throw, they are standing tall almost leaning forward at their release point, and have a sometimes high, right leg kick follow through because of it. (Peyton Manning also this similar type of follow through). Hass, on he other hand, his follow through is more balanced, even leaning back at times at his release point, and hardly produces a leg kick.

The reason I compared Nassib to Wilson, is purely one aspect of their game which matches at times, and that's Wilson's occasional dip of the ball to around his waist in his windup throw (mostly in routes where he really needs to sling it). I don't remember which game, but there was a commentator who highlighted his throwing motion of a play and it shows it well. It is quick and compact throw, so it's nothing major, but there's added motion to it and it exposes the ball more to pass-rushers. Now, Wilson doesn't always do that. Mostly, his mechanics are picture perfect, but it does come out at times (And in my experience is something common with QBs who have developed these habits through baseball, mostly pitching).

I know I probably sound like an ass trying to explain this, but I have spent a lot of time through football and baseball going over throwing mechanics in more detail than I even wanted at times (thanks coach :| ). Anyways, sorry for the long post, but I never really get the chance to share this and thought it'd be fun to explain how I see it. Cheers.

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I still like Barkley. I liked him before last year. I liked him before his junior season. I still like him. He plays for a dummy of a coach, and is a good ball player. The kid works hard, is intelligent, throws a nice ball, and went ball for ball, throw for throw, first down for first down with Andrew Luck and many others when he was healthy. He's tough and has been impressive since high school. He grew like I'd expect from high school through his senior year. Sure the injury deal will hurt him some, but if I had to take 1 QB from this draft and put my team behind him, then Barkley would be the choice for me and it wouldn't even be close.

He reminds me a lot of Russell Wilson in his commitment to the game. This makes him a lot different than a lot of the other USC QB's.

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Matthew Barkley.

My mid-round steal though? Tyler Bray.

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Matthew Barkley.

My mid-round steal though? Tyler Bray.


Good shout on Bray. SUPERB arm-talent. If only he wasn't a complete numb-nuts in the decision making department, he'd be a sure-fire first rounder. I've never seen a more frustratingly brilliant QB. Everything is there for him, but you watch the games and want to climb into the TV and shake him. "What the hell did you see there!!??"

I can only put it down to not working hard enough. Put 50% of Russell Wilson's drive in Tyler Bray and he could be the #1 pick this year. And that's why he's going to go in the middle rounds. But as a cheap backup he has enough talent as a passer to go 3-1 in relief. So unless he's a complete idiot (some people have suggested he could be) then I'd be all over that in the middle rounds.

And Barkley deserves so much more credit than he's getting. Some of the things you see written about Barkley are just silly.


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English, agreed. Barkley is getting so much disdain I have begun to think it's just kind of cool to bag on him right now. I am pretty sure draft day he won't be waiting long, though. Anyone who comes up with reasons he should fall is talking out their ass. I keep remembering a play from last year where he made 4! reads before he throws an end zone strike.

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Matt Barkley isn't a leader IMO and that's why SC locker room was a zoo. Russel Wilson would never have a team who has guys fighting in the locker room.


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Yeah, the Barkley thing highlights how most people just cling to a hive mentality. People rarely give reasons for Barkley's massive draft drop, and when they do, it's usually "7-6". As if that had nothing to do with incompetent coaching, a porous defense, or an offensive line that sorely missed a guy who went #4 overall the year before. Not to mention that Barkley was not even the QB in two of those losses. In the 4 games Barkley did lose, his offense averaged 32.25 points per game.

Not a fan of Bray, never have been. His mobility is basically Mallett-esque, and as a thrower he's Nick Foles with a better arm. Locks on to WRs... rarely if ever checks reads. I'm not in love with his inefficient throwing motion either. He is going to be a pick machine in the NFL. Coaching has gotten so good that these kinds of QBs can be salvaged, but if you want to know what limits a QBs upside, it's what's above the neck, not what's below it. Not saying he will bust, but Andy Dalton with a lot less mobility is his maximum upside.

Not sure if I have a favorite QB this year. Lots of "Jay Cutler" caliber QBs in this draft (Tyler Wilson, Mike Glennon, Ryan Nassib). Geno Smith is really hard to project. He wows you but really lacks when it comes to intangibles and consistency. Matt Barkley's maximum upside is probably Matt Ryan. If you just want a good starter this is a great draft early, but not seeing any superstar to get geeked over. And in the later picks, I'm not seeing as many intriguing "potential steals" as last year. Darron Thomas really did screw up not staying an extra year.

If I had a favorite QB, with some reluctance I'd probably say... oh never mind. I'm trying to ration how many mentions I make of him before the draft arrives.


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Matthew Barkley.

My mid-round steal though? Tyler Bray.


Good shout on Bray. SUPERB arm-talent. If only he wasn't a complete numb-nuts in the decision making department, he'd be a sure-fire first rounder. I've never seen a more frustratingly brilliant QB. Everything is there for him, but you watch the games and want to climb into the TV and shake him. "What the hell did you see there!!??"

I can only put it down to not working hard enough. Put 50% of Russell Wilson's drive in Tyler Bray and he could be the #1 pick this year. And that's why he's going to go in the middle rounds. But as a cheap backup he has enough talent as a passer to go 3-1 in relief. So unless he's a complete idiot (some people have suggested he could be) then I'd be all over that in the middle rounds.

And Barkley deserves so much more credit than he's getting. Some of the things you see written about Barkley are just silly.


Agreed completely. I would love to have Bray behind Wilson .. maybe Russ rubs off on him (how could he not?) and his work ethic/knowledge of the game begins to match his physical attributes.

It's crazy, you look at the Vols roster and they had talent.. I think their coaching was really to blame.. Dooley is an idiot.

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Matt Barkley isn't a leader IMO and that's why SC locker room was a zoo. Russel Wilson would never have a team who has guys fighting in the locker room.


:lol:

Barkley wasn't a leader? He started for four years and was named a team captain as a sophomore (only sophomore in school history to have that distinction)

Barkley wasn't the problem, it was Lane Kiffin and Monte Kiffin.

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Matt Barkley isn't a leader IMO and that's why SC locker room was a zoo. Russel Wilson would never have a team who has guys fighting in the locker room.


:lol:

Barkley wasn't a leader? He started for four years and was named a team captain as a sophomore (only sophomore in school history to have that distinction)

Barkley wasn't the problem, it was Lane Kiffin and Monte Kiffin.


We get it, you hate Flynn. Enough!

If Barkley slides, it'll make the draft interesting. Remember when Aaron Rogers slid?


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Matt Barkley isn't a leader IMO and that's why SC locker room was a zoo. Russel Wilson would never have a team who has guys fighting in the locker room.


:lol:

Barkley wasn't a leader? He started for four years and was named a team captain as a sophomore (only sophomore in school history to have that distinction)

Barkley wasn't the problem, it was Lane Kiffin and Monte Kiffin.


We get it, you hate Flynn. Enough!

If Barkley slides, it'll make the draft interesting. Remember when Aaron Rogers slid?

I wonder if Dallas gives him a look if he falls that far. Romo isn't as as deep in the grave as Farve was, but Dallas is the only team that far down in the draft without a QB in waiting. Let him sit for a few years and I think he comes out strong when he gets his chance.

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My surprise Barkley team is the Rams. English said Vikes.


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My surprise Barkley team is the Rams. English said Vikes.


I'd say the odds of Barkley landing in our division are pretty solid.. could see the Cardinals taking him as well.

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