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 Post subject: Re: Rumor: Hawks 'highly interested' in acquiring Darrelle Revis
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That doesn't change the fact we would have two CBs earning ridiculous money, anyway you want to shift it around.


If you front load the Revis deal you do not have two corners earning ridiculous money. If you paid Revis $14m - making him by far the highest paid corner in the league - for both 2013 and 2014, the average you'd be paying for your two corners would be $7.25m each. Are you telling me you wouldn't pay that average for a Revis and Sherman combo?

Let's say Sherman signs a $10m per year deal in 2015 -- again, a massive contract. If you front load the revis deal so he only earns $7m in 2015/16 as a 30/31 year old (he earned $6m in base in 2012) then you're still only paying an average of $8.5m for the two best corners in the league.

Next year Zach Miller will take up $11m. I don't an average of $8m per year each for Sherman/Revis until 2016 is exactly pushing the boat out. You could argue Sherman's rookie deal makes it a bargain.


You are missing my point. It's not just Revis and Sherman....it's Wilson, Thomas, Okung, etc. They are all on rookie deals now.

Can we afford them both? Yes - but at the expense of losing other key pieces. And again, the secondary is not the problem on this defense. If Revis puts on 130 pounds and can penetrate the A and B gaps, then I'll be more excited.

This isn't fantasy football. We have a lot of key players to re-sign in the near future and adding an Albatross financial commitment like Revis, any way you want to justify it, doesn't make sense.

It's not worth it to break up the core of what we have for a luxury want. Just my opinion.

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We need a stud defensive lineman, not a CB(our area of strength). This is a ridiculous story.


what the hell does that have to do with it........not mutually exclusive....get both and add another fantastic draft! duh!


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Havnt read the whole thread so dont know if this has been brought up, but having Revis and Sherman would help the pass rush in two ways. First, and most obvious, QB's would have a harder time finding open receivers forcing them to hold onto the ball a lot longer. Secondly, rather then upgrading personnel it would allow us to scheme more pressure. With Revis and Sherman shutting down their man it woudl allow for many more exotic blitz formations and play calls.

Plus, there's no reason we can't bring in Revis AND d'line help. Especially if Flynn would be part of the trade freeing up more cap space.

If i'm Seahawks management I'd be all in for this move. Not worried about salary cap implications. There are always ways around the salary cap, plus Pete and John have shown they can restock the roster with quality cheap players if we do lose a few due to money issues.


Honestly, I cant believe anybody would argue against this. It baffles me.

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Hell, might as well try to trade for Larry Fitzgerald and Adrian Peterson while we are at it!

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I not buy it. Sounds like agent speak to me


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That doesn't change the fact we would have two CBs earning ridiculous money, anyway you want to shift it around.


If you front load the Revis deal you do not have two corners earning ridiculous money. If you paid Revis $14m - making him by far the highest paid corner in the league - for both 2013 and 2014, the average you'd be paying for your two corners would be $7.25m each. Are you telling me you wouldn't pay that average for a Revis and Sherman combo?

Let's say Sherman signs a $10m per year deal in 2015 -- again, a massive contract. If you front load the revis deal so he only earns $7m in 2015/16 as a 30/31 year old (he earned $6m in base in 2012) then you're still only paying an average of $8.5m for the two best corners in the league.

Next year Zach Miller will take up $11m. I don't an average of $8m per year each for Sherman/Revis until 2016 is exactly pushing the boat out. You could argue Sherman's rookie deal makes it a bargain.


You are missing my point. It's not just Revis and Sherman....it's Wilson, Thomas, Okung, etc. They are all on rookie deals now.

Can we afford them both? Yes - but at the expense of losing other key pieces. And again, the secondary is not the problem on this defense. If Revis puts on 130 pounds and can penetrate the A and B gaps, then I'll be more excited.

This isn't fantasy football. We have a lot of key players to re-sign in the near future and adding an Albatross financial commitment like Revis, any way you want to justify it, doesn't make sense.

It's not worth it to break up the core of what we have for a luxury need. Just my opinion.



What point have I missed? You claimed we'd have two cornerbacks earning ridiculous money. Whether my proposition is likely or not is open to debate, but I formulated an idea that shows even if you pay Revis the best contract ever given to a cornerback and pay Richard Sherman a deal that matches Champ Bailey and Nnamdi's current deals, you're still paying both players on average $3-4m less than the Seahawks are due to pay Zach Miller in 2013.

That level of investment doesn't stop you re-signing those other players. Tom Brady's cap hit in 2013 and 2014 will be $22m alone. New England still have Wilfork, Welker on the franchise tag plus a cluster of others. They've been able to keep the players they want. The proposal I suggested would mean the Seahawks are paying $14m for two players in 2013 and 2014 and $17.5m in 2015/16 if Sherman signs a substantial $10m a year contract. So I don't think this trade automatically denies you the opportunity to re-sign Okung and Thomas who in fairness cannot expect major pay hikes given their deals were already pretty good as part of the old CBA. I've only suggested a plan until 2016 - and Seattle aren't even allowed to negotiate with Wilson until later in his deal which will keep that cheap for at least two more years.

I'm not saying I'm all in on this... but trading for Revis doesn't mean you have to break up anything. And the interior pass rusher that me and you both covet can still potentially be found at a dirt cheap price in the draft, as long as Carroll and Schneider continue to work their magic.


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Hell, might as well try to trade for Larry Fitzgerald and Adrian Peterson while we are at it!


there not available sherlock


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the one and only goal is to win the superbowl.
rather than debating whether or not we should trade for revis it is much more effective to debate what we can get for matt flynn that will provide the greatest probability to win the superbowl.

if you have an idea better than revis speak up....
otherwise save your breath.


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What point have I missed? You claimed we'd have two cornerbacks earning ridiculous money. Whether my proposition is likely or not is open to debate, but I formulated an idea that shows even if you pay Revis the best contract ever given to a cornerback and pay Richard Sherman a deal that matches Champ Bailey and Nnamdi's current deals, you're still paying both players on average $3-4m less than the Seahawks are due to pay Zach Miller in 2013.

That level of investment doesn't stop you re-signing those other players. Tom Brady's cap hit in 2013 and 2014 will be $22m alone. New England still have Wilfork, Welker on the franchise tag plus a cluster of others. They've been able to keep the players they want. The proposal I suggested would mean the Seahawks are paying $14m for two players in 2013 and 2014 and $17.5m in 2015/16 if Sherman signs a substantial $10m a year contract. So I don't think this trade automatically denies you the opportunity to re-sign Okung and Thomas who in fairness cannot expect major pay hikes given their deals were already pretty good as part of the old CBA. I've only suggested a plan until 2016 - and Seattle aren't even allowed to negotiate with Wilson until later in his deal which will keep that cheap for at least two more years.

I'm not saying I'm all in on this... but trading for Revis doesn't mean you have to break up anything. And the interior pass rusher that me and you both covet can still potentially be found at a dirt cheap price in the draft, as long as Carroll and Schneider continue to work their magic.


There's a lot of assumption in your numbers and what you "think" Revis would accept. Hard to say. I think you are way under-selling what Revis would cost. If he wants $60 million guaranteed (as pointed out in this thread) - which would be commensurate with his elite talent - there's no way his cap hit is going to be anything less than $10 million a season. Revis, Sherman, Thomas, Okung, Chancellor, Wilson, Tate, probably Wagner, potentially even Irvin if he develops. That's a LOT of pennies to take from the bank.

Nothing "automatically" denies re-signing players, but it's a consideration. I'm sure the front office will do what's best.

It doesn't really matter what New England is doing - totally different team and construct. They don't have a stack of young up and coming stars on their roster either. And FYI, New England will most likely let Welker go to free agency because he is too expensive now.

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Hell, might as well try to trade for Larry Fitzgerald and Adrian Peterson while we are at it!


there not available sherlock


No sh*t. I guess sarcasm isn't your thing?

Wake up.

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Hell, might as well try to trade for Larry Fitzgerald and Adrian Peterson while we are at it!


there not available sherlock



He was being sarcastic, Sherlock.

I say, if there's cap room, go for the Revis acquisition. Adding more competition for the DB's can do no harm.

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Hell, might as well try to trade for Larry Fitzgerald and Adrian Peterson while we are at it!


there not available sherlock


He was being sarcastic, Sherlock.

I say, if there's cap room, go for the Revis acquisition. Adding more competition for the DB's can do no harm.


:D

Thought it was pretty obvious...

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FlyingGreg wrote:
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Hell, might as well try to trade for Larry Fitzgerald and Adrian Peterson while we are at it!


there not available sherlock


No sh*t. I guess sarcasm isn't your thing?

Wake up.


im awake friend....
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I'm awake friend....
go to sleep....


Ok, then you picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

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I'm awake friend....
go to sleep....


Ok, then you picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.


Whatever dude. Bigger fish to fry.


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There's a lot of assumption in your numbers and what you "think" Revis would accept. Hard to say. I think you are way under-selling what Revis would cost. If he wants $60 million guaranteed (as pointed out in this thread) - which would be commensurate with his elite talent - there's no way his cap hit is going to be anything less than $10 million a season. Revis, Sherman, Thomas, Okung, Chancellor, Wilson, Tate, probably Wagner, potentially even Irvin if he develops. That's a LOT of pennies to take from the bank.

Nothing "automatically" denies re-signing players, but it's a consideration. I'm sure the front office will do what's best.

It doesn't really matter what New England is doing - totally different team and construct. They don't have a stack of young up and coming stars on their roster either. And FYI, New England will most likely let Welker go to free agency because he is too expensive now.


I admitted in both my previous posts that I was throwing the numbers out there and that they were open to debate. It wasn't an assumption because I was merely using examples to explain my point. However, I also made both contracts deliberately large for the examples. The highest salary paid to a cornerback is $11m (Champ Bailey, Nnamdi). By putting forward $14m per year for 2013-14 I not only beat that, but also got closer to the $16m he's reportedly 'looking for'. It stands to reason that there's probably a point where both parties can meet and even then $14m is closer to $16m than $11m. By giving him $7m in 2015/16 he's averaging over $10m per year. I think a four year contract would be fair to start with, so I don't think my numbers -- even as an example -- were ridiculous.

He will struggle to get $60m. And by that I mean nobody will pay that. Mario Williams got $50m guaranteed, was a free agent and wasn't coming off ACL surgery.

The reason I highlighted New England was to show they are paying one man -- Tom Brady -- an incredible amount of money. And yet they are still able to retain their key players. They have one guy set to earn $22m in each of the next two years. They are not losing every other player who is hitting the market in NE. And if they do lose Welker, it's because Bill Belichick has decided it's time to move on. They've been bitching at each other for ages. I actually think he'll end up staying there though.

Signing Revis does not stop the Seahawks re-signing their players. Another great example here is the Zach Miller contract. He is earning $11m in 2013, which as I pointed out previously would be $3-4m more than the average cost of Sherman and Revis. Miller is due to earn considerably less than that in 2014/15 and he's an UFA in 2016. So any extra cost you take on paying Revis and Sherman is off-set by Miller's contract coming off the books. Sidney Rice's $10m a year deal ends at the same time. So you're talking about a good $20m coming off the cap by the time Wilson's new contract is negotiated.

Bringing in a superstar player doesn't prevent you from doing anything. The issue we should be debating here really isn't whether we can afford Revis -- because we almost certainly can. It's whether we want to invest a possible first round pick and taken on a player coming off an ACL. Those are concerns, the big positive is before the injury he was among the best 2-3 defensive players in the entire NFL. He could be #1. So it's an interesting little debate for those reasons. But we can almost certainly afford to do it if we really wanted to.


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i would only trade for him if flynn was part of the deal and would give up nothing more the 3rd round pick and another (non-starter) player for him. I don't anticipate that is the best the jets can get but it's the most id give.

Flynn, 3rd rd pick + Jeremy Lane -->> Revis
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The issue we should be debating here really isn't whether we can afford Revis -- because we almost certainly can. It's whether we want to invest a possible first round pick and taken on a player coming off an ACL. Those are concerns


Agreed - and I pointed that out earlier in the thread, both the draft pick and his injury concern me.

What will be interesting is to see how desperate the Jets get to move him.

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What will be interesting is to see how desperate the Jets get to move him.


He's due a seven-figure payment shortly after the new league year opens on March 12th. That could put pressure on the Jets to make a deal. Basically New York has almost no leverage in these talks. They get nothing for him next year and cannot franchise tag him. They're banking on Revis' star quality getting the job done... but they're fighting against teams looking for value and a player demanding crazy money because he wants to put teams off a trade. He know he's 12 months away from being a free agent. He doesn't want to jut negotiate with one team. So he could force a market between teams and then the price comes down even further in terms of compensation. I think the only loser out of all this will be the Jets.


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This guy is still considered by most to be the best corner in the league, we would have the best 2 corners in the league with this trade, I hope we make this


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What will be interesting is to see how desperate the Jets get to move him.


He's due a seven-figure payment shortly after the new league year opens on March 12th. That could put pressure on the Jets to make a deal. Basically New York has almost no leverage in these talks. They get nothing for him next year and cannot franchise tag him. They're banking on Revis' star quality getting the job done... but they're fighting against teams looking for value and a player demanding crazy money because he wants to put teams off a trade. He know he's 12 months away from being a free agent. He doesn't want to jut negotiate with one team. So he could force a market between teams and then the price comes down even further in terms of compensation. I think the only loser out of all this will be the Jets.


Spot on. I wonder if that means they will accept less than a 1st rounder...?

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That doesn't change the fact we would have two CBs earning ridiculous money, anyway you want to shift it around.


If you front load the Revis deal you do not have two corners earning ridiculous money. If you paid Revis $14m - making him by far the highest paid corner in the league - for both 2013 and 2014, the average you'd be paying for your two corners would be $7.25m each. Are you telling me you wouldn't pay that average for a Revis and Sherman combo?

Let's say Sherman signs a $10m per year deal in 2015 -- again, a massive contract. If you front load the revis deal so he only earns $7m in 2015/16 as a 30/31 year old (he earned $6m in base in 2012) then you're still only paying an average of $8.5m for the two best corners in the league.

Next year Zach Miller will take up $11m. I don't an average of $8m per year each for Sherman/Revis until 2016 is exactly pushing the boat out. You could argue Sherman's rookie deal makes it a bargain.


You are missing my point. It's not just Revis and Sherman....it's Wilson, Thomas, Okung, etc. They are all on rookie deals now.

Can we afford them both? Yes - but at the expense of losing other key pieces. And again, the secondary is not the problem on this defense. If Revis puts on 130 pounds and can penetrate the A and B gaps, then I'll be more excited.

This isn't fantasy football. We have a lot of key players to re-sign in the near future and adding an Albatross financial commitment like Revis, any way you want to justify it, doesn't make sense.

It's not worth it to break up the core of what we have for a luxury want. Just my opinion.

You sound like the people that were mad that we took Wilson in the 3rd when qb wasn't a need because of Flynn, how'd that one work out? Yeah, I think we should trade for revis if we can


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I could see it, if JS and PC has this in mind...

Revis and Sherman on the outside.... seriously that is terrifying to think about.
Granted Revis to my knowledge has never played extensively press coverage, but if they want him I trust they believe they can do it.

Browner moves to SS.

Kam moves to Will.

I don't know if that would work, but if they are really interested I assume that would be the plan. Browner IMO would be a liablity in the slot, as it would take away his greatest strenght.


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You sound like the people that were mad that we took Wilson in the 3rd when qb wasn't a need because of Flynn, how'd that one work out? Yeah, I think we should trade for revis if we can


Other than the concept that your comparison makes absolutely no sense...it's just an opinion. I've stated my reasons repeatedly in this thread.

"If we can" is a no sh*tter. It's also a no sh*tter that we need to consider the long-term impact.

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Reports are that Revis wants 16MM a year on his next contract...How is that going to play out with all of our future stars wanting to get paid? Anyone consider how much Sherm is going to want to get paid if he thinks he's better than Revis and we pay Revis what he wants? We don't want a money-focused guy on our team, and that's what D.Revis is.

As good as Revis is, I'd much rather keep our 1st, keep Browner for cheap this year, get rid of Flynn's contract and sign a UFA who help our Dline (starks, Melton, ect) hell for 16 M, you could sign almost any two free agents available this year.

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Reports are that Revis wants 16MM a year on his next contract...How is that going to play out with all of our future stars wanting to get paid? Anyone consider how much Sherm is going to want to get paid if he thinks he's better than Revis and we pay Revis what he wants? We don't want a money-focused guy on our team, and that's what D.Revis is.

As good as Revis is, I'd much rather keep our 1st, keep Browner for cheap this year, get rid of Flynn's contract and sign a UFA who help our Dline (starks, Melton, ect) hell for 16 M, you could sign almost any two free agents available this year.


In fairness to the $16m and $60m guaranteed talk... that isn't happening. It's more than likely his agent setting the bar high and deliberately plucking an unlikely figure out of the air.

The highest paid corner in the NFL earned $11m this year (Champ Bailey). I suspect anything that tops that for a player coming off ACL surgery will get it done. Mario Williams only got $50m guaranteed as a non-ACL suffering free agent. I'd guestimate he'll be looking to earn over $40m in four years, which you could front load to put him at around $7m in the key years when Seattle needs to re-sign its young talent.

Not that I'm 100% behind this trade... I just think financially it's do-able.


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1. We don't buy top free agents.

2. The article was pretty weak.

3. Namdi Ashmunga.

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Just a random thought...

But I find it kinda funny that people are freaking out about the idea of paying a ton of money to the best CB in the NFL, but have no problem paying a ton of money to a backup QB who will never play unless a major injury occurs.

This is why, even though the QB $ is somewhat low, I still hate the idea of paying a majority of that $ to a non-contributor. That $ can go towards a player that can be a consistent impact on the field.

Not pointed at anybody, just kind of a funny observation of this thread. I still think Revis is a .01% chance of happening for SEA.


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Reports are that Revis wants 16MM a year on his next contract...How is that going to play out with all of our future stars wanting to get paid? Anyone consider how much Sherm is going to want to get paid if he thinks he's better than Revis and we pay Revis what he wants? We don't want a money-focused guy on our team, and that's what D.Revis is.

As good as Revis is, I'd much rather keep our 1st, keep Browner for cheap this year, get rid of Flynn's contract and sign a UFA who help our Dline (starks, Melton, ect) hell for 16 M, you could sign almost any two free agents available this year.


In fairness to the $16m and $60m guaranteed talk... that isn't happening. It's more than likely his agent setting the bar high and deliberately plucking an unlikely figure out of the air.

The highest paid corner in the NFL earned $11m this year (Champ Bailey). I suspect anything that tops that for a player coming off ACL surgery will get it done. Mario Williams only got $50m guaranteed as a non-ACL suffering free agent. I'd guestimate he'll be looking to earn over $40m in four years, which you could front load to put him at around $7m in the key years when Seattle needs to re-sign its young talent.

Not that I'm 100% behind this trade... I just think financially it's do-able.


Exactly!

the one and only goal is to win the superbowl.
rather than debating whether or not we should trade for revis it is much more effective to debate what we can get for matt flynn that will provide the greatest probability to win the superbowl.

if you have an idea better than revis speak up....
otherwise save your breath.


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I don't like Revis to the Hawks. The two areas of real strength are at QB and CB. I much rather like a draft pick coming in and playing nickel to get reps.

If they were going to actually invest in elite talent, I would rather it come at DL for pass rush, but a guy that can also close the holes.

This team is built of solid players, most developed by the team and through the draft. The way this FO drafts, I say forget Revis. For the money he won't give us much more than we have.

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You sound like the people that were mad that we took Wilson in the 3rd when qb wasn't a need because of Flynn, how'd that one work out? Yeah, I think we should trade for revis if we can


Other than the concept that your comparison makes absolutely no sense...it's just an opinion. I've stated my reasons repeatedly in this thread.

"If we can" is a no sh*tter. It's also a no sh*tter that we need to consider the long-term impact.

My point is that you take good players when you can get them whether you have a need thier or not


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Reports are that Revis wants 16MM a year on his next contract...How is that going to play out with all of our future stars wanting to get paid? Anyone consider how much Sherm is going to want to get paid if he thinks he's better than Revis and we pay Revis what he wants? We don't want a money-focused guy on our team, and that's what D.Revis is.

As good as Revis is, I'd much rather keep our 1st, keep Browner for cheap this year, get rid of Flynn's contract and sign a UFA who help our Dline (starks, Melton, ect) hell for 16 M, you could sign almost any two free agents available this year.


In fairness to the $16m and $60m guaranteed talk... that isn't happening. It's more than likely his agent setting the bar high and deliberately plucking an unlikely figure out of the air.

The highest paid corner in the NFL earned $11m this year (Champ Bailey). I suspect anything that tops that for a player coming off ACL surgery will get it done. Mario Williams only got $50m guaranteed as a non-ACL suffering free agent. I'd guestimate he'll be looking to earn over $40m in four years, which you could front load to put him at around $7m in the key years when Seattle needs to re-sign its young talent.

Not that I'm 100% behind this trade... I just think financially it's do-able.


Good, point but I do think 10MM is under projecting. I think he'll probably land somewhere in the middle at 12-13MM which still is a lot when you consider Sherm will be aiming for 10-13 as well soon.

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My point is that you take good players when you can get them whether you have a need thier or not


We hear you! But then again.....we're saying he's not worth $12+ million!


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Not going to happen. There is no interest from Seattle. I call BS.

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1. We don't buy top free agents.

2. The article was pretty weak.

3. Namdi Ashmunga.


We have a winner.

It amazes me how some fans become so infatuated with acquiring "big name" players and think this philosophy actually works for any successful teams. Everyone thought the Eagles were going to kill the league after they signed Namdi. How'd that work out for them? How's that Mario Williams deal working out for Buffalo? Seriously, some of you need to stop getting star-struck.

We have the best outside-CB situation in the whole damn league. How soon we forget how Browner played lights out against the best receiving tandem in the league and how Jeremy Lane looks like he could be a starting CB on almost any other team. And some of you want to drop the equivalent of at least a 1st round pick and a huge chunk of salary cap in 2014 for an upgrade that's marginal at best? Can't stand this type of short sighted thinking.


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1. We don't buy top free agents.

2. The article was pretty weak.

3. Namdi Ashmunga.


The Eagles dropped the ball on two key CB pick ups.

They took two of the leagues best man coverage corners (Asomugha and Samuel)
and forced them to play mainly in a zone scheme.
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1. We don't buy top free agents.

2. The article was pretty weak.

3. Namdi Ashmunga.


We have a winner.

It amazes me how some fans become so infatuated with acquiring "big name" players and think this philosophy actually works for any successful teams. Everyone thought the Eagles were going to kill the league after they signed Namdi. How'd that work out for them? How's that Mario Williams deal working out for Buffalo? Seriously, some of you need to stop getting star-struck.

We have the best outside-CB situation in the whole damn league. How soon we forget how Browner played lights out against the best receiving tandem in the league and how Jeremy Lane looks like he could be a starting CB on almost any other team. And some of you want to drop the equivalent of at least a 1st round pick and a huge chunk of salary cap in 2014 for an upgrade that's marginal at best? Can't stand this type of short sighted thinking.


Yeah cause the Eagles struggles came from signing Nnamdi after being a lock down corner in Oakland for 3 years. Same with Buffalo fixing their defensive problems by signing a guy to a huge contract who played to that level his whole career beforehand, their defensive problems had nothing to do with horrible linebacker and secondary play right. He actually got great pressure all season but only sacks matter apparently. I guess I am star struck too then.

The salary for 2013 and 2014 wouldn't be huge when you account for Browner wanting a bigger contract as well. He's getting paid peanuts, which is great, but he made the pro bowl last year and is going to want to make better money. I'm all for making our guys the main priority for resigning, but getting Revis for two years while paying him decent pay is very possible. It all depends on sending Idzik trades for players he knows and restructuring guarenteed money by frontloading.

Also what about Jeremy Lane's tape makes him a starting CB for every other team? You do realize he got pulled for Maxwell after being unable to stick with press coverage right? We have solid secondary play, but in the Falcons game we consistently had letdowns by our secondary at terrible times. Keep generically adding fans to short sighted opinions for wanting a top tier CB paired with our already top tier CB. If only we were able to get him here for less than the huge contract he demands for two years...wait....we can.


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Also what about Jeremy Lane's tape makes him a starting CB for every other team? You do realize he got pulled for Maxwell after being unable to stick with press coverage right?


Uh no. Maxwell was backing up Trufant at nickel to end the season. Lane played the outside behind Browner and Sherman. When exactly was Lane "pulled" for Maxwell due to poor play?


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1. We don't buy top free agents.


Zach Miller (due $11m in 2013... more than Darrelle Revis)

Sidney Rice (on virtually $10m per year).


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Of course Seattle is interested. Rob Staton already mentioned this but anytime an all pro talent is available which isn't often, every team is interested. It's just a matter of how much you have to give up to get that talent. To say he wouldn't help Seattle because its already a position of strength is ridicilous as well. He would make Seattle better assuming he's healthy and allow Seattle to be more creative up front as well as moving their current pieces around in the secondary. But I do agree that we don't want to give up too much for him. I think this front office has done an amazing job and I trust that if we do or don't get him its probably a well thought out position and they made the right call.


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Hawks would fare better investing money elsewhere.


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I agree to an extent but who's to say they still can't invest money elsewhere? It seems like people on the board are in the either/or camp. Teams can get pretty creative with contracts so its not impossible to land Revis and still upgrade the d-line and other areas through free agency and the draft. I'm not saying its easy or even probable but its possible. So I guess I agree that we should probably pass on Revis if they do get them I would be lying if I said I woulnd't be excited.


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I wouldn't put a whole ton of stock in these reports. I'd contend this is just Schneider doing his due diligence -- he's made no bones about the fact that they will always be out there and in on everything. And furthermore, I'd also go on the record as saying that Revis's addition could potentially be disastrous for Seattle.

There are some definite alternatives to Revis in the FA Market (page down to the Corner section) ...

http://www.seahawks.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=64833


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This has had a long run on the main forum, I think its time for it too to go to the NFL Forum as its pure speculation from not completely trusted sources.

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I just don't see any glaring urgency for the Seahawks in this move.

Yes, Revis would be a considerable upgrade over Browner. But you know who else would be a considerable upgrade over Browner and worth the higher contract? Browner paired with a pass rush. Seattle's CB tandem has already reached the point where they can shut down elite receivers, did so much of the year and achieved the #1 scoring defense. It also failed to stifle elite QB's nearly enough to survive against them in the playoffs. We all saw the Falcons loss coming, and it wasn't because of Browner. Give a QB enough time, and no secondary will be effective.

Quibble over the $16m/yr figure and the "two elite DB's for the price of 1.5" all you like, but Revis is going to be expensive and the primary problem on the defense not solved. Throw in PC/JS's talent at scouting late-round defensive backs, and the clear implication for me is that Revis is not where this FO should be throwing its money, no matter how clever they can be at it.

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Quibble over the $16m/yr figure and the "two elite DB's for the price of 1.5" all you like


In fairness I only made that point to show it was affordable and what the benefit of such a deal would be, not as a caveat for why they should make a trade.


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JS is a straight shooter, but he was being coy there and the word "usually" is his way of avoiding future "bullshitter" accusations. JS himself admitted that Mark Barron was a strong consideration at #12. If they draft Barron, they are moving Kam. At the very least, they'd be moving him to the big nickle spot but I'm sure LB would be a strong consideration (OLB gets a lot more more playing time than Nickle DB, and they'd want Kam on the field as much as possible).


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In fairness to the $16m and $60m guaranteed talk... that isn't happening. It's more than likely his agent setting the bar high and deliberately plucking an unlikely figure out of the air.

The highest paid corner in the NFL earned $11m this year (Champ Bailey). I suspect anything that tops that for a player coming off ACL surgery will get it done. Mario Williams only got $50m guaranteed as a non-ACL suffering free agent. I'd guestimate he'll be looking to earn over $40m in four years, which you could front load to put him at around $7m in the key years when Seattle needs to re-sign its young talent.

Not that I'm 100% behind this trade... I just think financially it's do-able.


Convincing Revis that he's worth 4/40 is going to be very challenging if you want to sign him before he hits open free agency. Revis is overshooting, but he has incredible leverage if he's traded. He can't be franchised. He'd be one of the biggest free agents on the open market ever. If you spend a 1st round pick to bring Revis in you do not want to see Revis entering free agency the next year. It would be a disaster to trade major draft capital for just 1 (ACL impacted) Revis season. I think Revis has about as much a chance of signing a 4/40 extension before FA as the House Republicans would of voting for a repeal of the 2nd amendment.

Or to put it another way, I think Revis' extravagant demands telegraph his intentions to hit UFA. He's basically setting the bar extremely high and then saying "that's what it's going to take to keep me from free agency."

The more I think about this situation, the more Revis looks like a rental. How much do you pay for one season of Revis (coming off an ACL)? I think a 3rd rounder would be as high as I'd go. Obviously, the Jets will get way more than that, but it will probably be a mistake for the buyer when Revis insists on hitting FA in 2014.


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