Hi how are you all. Have been reading for the last 4 days on this subject and all of you are very smart on your subjects. I have learned a lot from both sides of the Isle. I don't think anyone has mentioned the bullets that take for these weapons to work. Why ban the weapon when all they have to do is ban the ammunition for these weapons and they will be useless. Doing this would save many many tax dollars and free up law in forcement to do there job instead of going door to door and tacking your firearms. Heck every one who has a CCP is already registered. If they are serious about this they will shut down the ammunition makers and just sell to the Military and law inforcement only and just wait for the excess to dry up and then go in and confinscate all weapons sure its going to be bloody at first but in the long run its for our kids safety it will be worth it. would not matter if they had 10-30-60-100 round Magazines with no ammo it would not matter.
RolandDeschain
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:33 am
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That wouldn't change a thing, it's actually EASY to make your own gunpowder (black powder) and bullets. Plenty of gun hobbyists do it. Besides, banning ammo would never happen in this country.
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Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:59 am
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plus as mentioned earlier it would just drive the sale of ammunition underground, in addition to smuggling in dope, they would now be smuggling in ammo.
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Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:35 pm
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Typical gun control legislation attempt...
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Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:14 pm
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Thank you very much for posting that. Very interesting.
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Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:39 am
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Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:48 am
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RolandDeschain wrote:
Three hand to hand weapons and one projectile launching weapon. Was that a test? Did a find the item that didn't belong? A+, PLEASE!
ChiefHawk
Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:25 am
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12evanf wrote:
RolandDeschain wrote:
Three hand to hand weapons and one projectile launching weapon. Was that a test? Did a find the item that didn't belong? A+, PLEASE!
so....it is OK to attack someone hand to hand, but not at a distance?
I think the fundamental problem might be the assault in the first place....
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Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:21 pm
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ChiefHawk, congratulations on getting the point and not being a blithering idiotic mouth-breather like the poster above you.
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Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:34 pm
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RolandDeschain wrote:
ChiefHawk, congratulations on getting the point and not being a blithering idiotic mouth-breather like the poster above you.
Is a gun more dangerous than a knife? We've all seen Indian Jones. You don't need safety training to not stab someone. You DO need safety training on properly storing a gun. Kids don't find knives, or rope, and accidental shoot their sister. Don't be a dipshit, you're better than that.
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:49 pm
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There are infinitely more accidental knife wounds than there are accidental gunshot wounds in household kitchens alone, not to mention the myriad other ways people use knives outside of kitchens; so actually I'd say yes, knife handling training is needed. The vast majority of gunshot wounds are intentional.
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:56 pm
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RolandDeschain wrote:
There are infinitely more accidental knife wounds than there are accidental gunshot wounds in household kitchens alone, not to mention the myriad other ways people use knives outside of kitchens; so actually I'd say yes, knife handling training is needed. The vast majority of gunshot wounds are intentional.
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I waffled on choosing the word deadly or dangerous. If I say deadly you will say a knife can kill. Either way your response was expected. Common sense says a gun is more dangerously deadly than a knife, that's why people want them for home protection over knives. A gun is a higher class of weaponry than a knife, string, or baseball bat and your silly picture is nothing more than that. Don't be a dipshit.
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:05 pm
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12evanf wrote:
A gun is a higher class of weaponry than a knife, string, or baseball bat and your silly picture is nothing more than that.
A gun is the equalizer in the group.
A 6'4", 245lb. man has a distinct advantage over a 5'2', 120lb. female with the knife, string, or baseball bat.
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:09 pm
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DTexHawk wrote:
12evanf wrote:
A gun is a higher class of weaponry than a knife, string, or baseball bat and your silly picture is nothing more than that.
A gun is the equalizer in the group.
A 6'4", 245lb. man has a distinct advantage over a 5'2', 120lb. female with the knife, string, or baseball bat.
Equalizer, not a melee weapon. Both points that make it different than the other weapons pictured. A pencil can be as deady as a knife, and a string can be as deadly as a necktie. None of those need propellants that cause damage from a remote proximity.
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Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:24 pm
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The point is, maybe we should look into trying to solve the root cause of the problem, rather than trying to get rid of the easiest tools used by those that murder. You do realize that western European countries where guns are very hard to obtain have significantly higher stabbings per capita, right? Plenty less people die, of course; but plenty of people still stab others for every perceived reason under the sun. Banning guns will not affect the root problem.
Then again, the vast majority of people are never actually in favor of solving the root causes of problems in this world, they just want to do either what is easiest, what is cheapest, or what is most emotionally charged for them. Not a single one of which is the right thing to do to actually fix problems, in most cases. It's like sweeping dust under the rug instead of sweeping it up or vacuuming it and then disposing of it; you're just pushing the problem around, not making it disappear.
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:06 pm
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DTexHawk wrote:
12evanf wrote:
A gun is a higher class of weaponry than a knife, string, or baseball bat and your silly picture is nothing more than that.
A gun is the equalizer in the group.
A 6'4", 245lb. man has a distinct advantage over a 5'2', 120lb. female with the knife, string, or baseball bat.
You sound like a left wing radical. Even the playing field!
How come you're so behind this with guns but not everything else?
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Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:17 pm
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SonicHawk wrote:
DTexHawk wrote:
12evanf wrote:
A gun is a higher class of weaponry than a knife, string, or baseball bat and your silly picture is nothing more than that.
A gun is the equalizer in the group.
A 6'4", 245lb. man has a distinct advantage over a 5'2', 120lb. female with the knife, string, or baseball bat.
You sound like a left wing radical. Even the playing field!
How come you're so behind this with guns but not everything else?
Yes, let people even their own playing field, not have it evened for them by the government. That's the difference.
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Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:23 pm
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kidhawk wrote:
Yes, let people even their own playing field, not have it evened for them by the government. That's the difference.
It's nearly impossible to level the playing field in many cases without the government's (or unifying body's) assistance.
Guns don't level the playing field, guns escalate the problem.
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Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:29 pm
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SonicHawk wrote:
Guns don't level the playing field, guns escalate the problem.
Change guns to Govvernment and you'd be called a right wing radical
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Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:43 pm
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RolandDeschain wrote:
The point is, maybe we should look into trying to solve the root cause of the problem, rather than trying to get rid of the easiest tools used by those that murder. You do realize that western European countries where guns are very hard to obtain have significantly higher stabbings per capita, right? Plenty less people die, of course; but plenty of people still stab others for every perceived reason under the sun. Banning guns will not affect the root problem.
Then again, the vast majority of people are never actually in favor of solving the root causes of problems in this world, they just want to do either what is easiest, what is cheapest, or what is most emotionally charged for them. Not a single one of which is the right thing to do to actually fix problems, in most cases. It's like sweeping dust under the rug instead of sweeping it up or vacuuming it and then disposing of it; you're just pushing the problem around, not making it disappear.
Have you read my posts?
You post a stupid picture and then say others should look at the root problem.
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