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Post subject: Re: First-person shooter video games cause violence  Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:24 am |
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RolandDeschain wrote: Seahawk Sailor wrote: Also, spanking and physical violence are not the same thing. Those who lump them together are A) being completely disingenuous, and B) promulgating false data with regard to the "science" behind these studies. Show me where I lumped them together, and also, I agree that correlation doesn't equal causation. It certainly can and does in many circumstances, but also it does not, in many circumstances. The two are not mutually exclusive or inclusive. You're kind of falsely representing what I've actually been saying in this thread. That second paragraph was not directly intended as a reply to your remarks as the first paragraph was, regarding the correlation of IQ and spanking. Just wanted to reiterate it as people repeatedly seem to lump them together as a collective in this thread. In your defense, you didn't say that, only alluded to it: RolandDeschain wrote: There's a litany of evidence that spanking is not anymore effective than anything else, often is less effective than other forms of discipline, and that it can cause a ton of other miscellaneous problems on a deeper, more subtle psychological level. Why are so many of you still defending it? Do you use leeches for bloodletting to cure what ails you, as well? Science has proven spanking is unnecessary and carries a much higher risk of causing various problems later in life; it's time to move on. Stop defending the indefensible.
Those of you defending it are doing so because it's how you were raised. Same excuse the guys that actually beat the shit out of their children use; perpetuating the cycle. Well, break the cycle, already. _________________ I blog, I tweet. When I'm not writing or goofing around on Seahawks.NET.
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Post subject: Re: First-person shooter video games cause violence Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:27 am |
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Ah. Still, I'd say it's a stretch to say that I even alluded to it. I guess it depends on how you interpret "a ton of other miscellaneous problems"; I was referring to minor stuff, but I didn't say that, so I guess it's up for interpretation.
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Post subject: Re: First-person shooter video games cause violence Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:03 pm |
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How can you say that spanking isn't physical violence? You're obviously kidding yourself if you think it isn't.
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Post subject: Re: First-person shooter video games cause violence Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:26 pm |
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SonicHawk wrote: How can you say that spanking isn't physical violence? You're obviously kidding yourself if you think it isn't. Well, you're right if you also go by the definition for assault that includes merely tapping someone's hand gently without invitation.
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Post subject: Re: First-person shooter video games cause violence Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:34 pm |
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RolandDeschain wrote: SonicHawk wrote: How can you say that spanking isn't physical violence? You're obviously kidding yourself if you think it isn't. Well, you're right if you also go by the definition for assault that includes merely tapping someone's hand gently without invitation. I'm pretty sure spanking is a little bit above tapping someone's hand gently.
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Post subject: Re: First-person shooter video games cause violence Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:11 pm |
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SonicHawk wrote: RolandDeschain wrote: SonicHawk wrote: How can you say that spanking isn't physical violence? You're obviously kidding yourself if you think it isn't. Well, you're right if you also go by the definition for assault that includes merely tapping someone's hand gently without invitation. I'm pretty sure spanking is a little bit above tapping someone's hand gently. Yeah, because if you tap a kid's butt gently, you're in A LOT more trouble than if you spanked that kid.
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Post subject: Re: First-person shooter video games cause violence Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:39 pm |
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SonicHawk wrote: How can you say that spanking isn't physical violence? You're obviously kidding yourself if you think it isn't. I think you know the relevant distinction perfectly well and just don't give a damn about anything outside your opinion, but I'll play along. 1. Spanking generally doesn't risk a child's life. 2. Spanking (unless it's excessive) doesn't cause major or even publicly embarrassing injury, falling as it does on a concealed and fatty portion of the body. 3. Spanking isn't (or shouldn't be) so spontaneous or arbitrarily meted that it makes the child fearful of his parent at any given moment over almost any offense. THAT I agree might be psychologically damaging. _________________ GO HAWKS!!! Visit my Seahawks blog at 17power.blogspot.com!Follow me on Twitter at @17power
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Post subject: Re: First-person shooter video games cause violence Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:45 pm |
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there are several layers of so called physical violence in which case some are acceptable and some are not.. such as slapping a childs hand away from something, happens all the time, nobody would think twice about it if they saw a mother doing that to her child.
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Post subject: Re: First-person shooter video games cause violence Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:56 am |
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If you got upset at a person , a stranger, and were physically strong enough so that you could spank them.. it would certainly be a crime and not considered acceptable. Where I grew up that was the traditional view... why do to your loved ones something youre not even allowed to do to someone thats not in your family? Unfortunately in the past 60 years a lot of that thinking slipped by the way side.
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Post subject: Re: First-person shooter video games cause violence Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:55 am |
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again a spanking should not be something manifested out of anger, it should always be a controlled tool of Discipline ... a spanking or any type of violence out of anger should be considered physical abuse.
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Post subject: Re: First-person shooter video games cause violence Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:08 am |
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Yea, I'm with you there, Hawker. Spanking and physical violence are completely separate things. Would those that think they're linked also think that making a kid sit in the corner is the same as solitary confinement in a basement cage? Would they think withholding a treat is the same as starving a kid out of spite? Giving them a lecture the same as screaming obscenities at them?
Abuse is not discipline, no matter the form.
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Post subject: Re: First-person shooter video games cause violence Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:18 am |
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Good point, Veta; do it to someone that isn't your sibling, and it's assault, and you're in jail.
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Post subject: Re: First-person shooter video games cause violence Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:42 pm |
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RolandDeschain wrote: Good point, Veta; do it to someone that isn't your sibling, and it's assault, and you're in jail. Back to the thread topic, teen who killed his family was influenced by a movie.  http://www.wfaa.com/news/crime/In-written-confession-Parker-County-teen-188265161.html"The teen writes that he fantasized about killing his family. He said he watched Rob Zombie’s 2007 remake of “Halloween” three times leading up to the slayings, watching as a 12-year-old Michael Myers killed his family without remorse. “I was thinking to myself, it would be the same for me when I kill someone,” the confession says."
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Post subject: Re: First-person shooter video games cause violence Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:10 pm |
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Most of these types of things are cop outs, copped by people too weak to stand for their own convictions and responsibility.
“Fault always lies in the same place: with him weak enough to lay blame.”
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Post subject: Re: First-person shooter video games cause violence Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:23 pm |
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Seahawk Sailor wrote: Most of these types of things are cop outs, copped by people too weak to stand for their own convictions and responsibility.
“Fault always lies in the same place: with him weak enough to lay blame.”
― Stephen King I agree with "most", but that has been my stance all along, video games "could" affect a small percentage of nuts who commit violence.
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Post subject: Re: First-person shooter video games cause violence Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:18 pm |
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Seahawk Sailor wrote: Most of these types of things are cop outs, copped by people too weak to stand for their own convictions and responsibility.
“Fault always lies in the same place: with him weak enough to lay blame.”
― Stephen King Tent in pants status: pitched. Though, the exact quote from Cort is "Fault always lies in the same place, my fine babies: with him weak enough to lay blame."
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