pehawk wrote:I've been telling my Cowboy fan friends that the Seahawks have at least 5 dudes with the Michael Irvin mentality. And, before any DUMBASS starts doggin Irvin, all dude did was practice, workout and study harder than anyone else on the team. Not even close - every Cowboy lists Irvin as the best teammate of all time. Baldwin, Wilson, Sherm, Earl and Red are just that like that.
Yes, I see the comparisons.
Irvin was quite amazing in that he never really had anybody next to him. They ran a couple of guys out there that put up decent numbers, but then they'd leave via free agency and never get anywhere near where they were.
Irvin was big, fast, created mismatches like crazy (to the point where the Eagles went out and specifically got Bobby Taylor in hopes that they could find a corner big enough to hold him in check for a little bit). All Irvin did was carry that entire receiving corps. You could have put him and 4 junior college guys on the receiving group and they'd still produce.
Is the guy a turkey? For sure. Is he also a great receiver, and even being a Cowboy one of the most underrated players at his position or at any position during that era? 100% for certain. He didn't have a John Taylor on the opposite side or a Lynn Swann (yes, Stallworth was the GREAT receiver in that combo), or a John Jefferson. It was him and a series of guys that were only decent on the Cowboys, because Irvin made them better.
Irvin is definitely a clown, but the guy had no pretenses (meaning, he wasn't a phony like Jerry Rice, who was a machine, but acted like he was Mr. Nice Guy but was really just a dink). He was a hard working player and as incredible of a talent at WR as many of us will be lucky enough to see play. Aikman, Smith, Moose, and Novacek all get a lot of love. Irvin gets love, but without him, that team isn't the same team. Irvin was also a stellar blocker and wasn't afraid to put guys down when Smith was moving upfield. The offensive line they had was amazing too.
I see some definite comparisons to this Hawks team and that Hawks team and appreciate the OP for pointing it out. The Cowboys were an example of the fact that a team can really suck one year, but become the best team in the league in 3-4 years without much issue. Too bad the M's haven't gotten that memo.
Another big commonality is that the Cowboys weren't huge players in free agency, unless they had an absolute need and could get a vet that could still play in on a short term deal (like when they signed away Ray Donaldson from us to play center and anchor a line that was needing the boost). Schneider loves to stockpile picks, and like Jimmy Johnson, he knows how to use picks properly. Jones has proven that JJ was the genius there. I think the Hawks have multiple geniuses that have no problem leaving egos at the door and building a good team (which Jimmy J was able to do in Dallas for as long as possible before just burning out on Jerry's meddling).
Thanks for the comparison. It brought back a lot of interesting memories of seeing that team build up so quickly into a juggernaut. Why not us next? The pieces are there. Maybe we're just missing that Michael Irvin, big, fast, strong, and way overcompetitive WR in the fold.